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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 11:35:08 AM  1 votes
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You keep falling back on whether you know someone who has died from it. Here's an idea - spend a day in the ICU of a major hospital in a large city. How about Houston? or Miami? If you actually need to see something up close and personal in order to believe it exists, that's probably the way to go.

I have never seen Mt. Everest, but I believe it exists.

I'm gauging the current impact of COVID-19 on the lives of those who post here. We can then revisit this 1 month 3 months and 6 months from now to see how much worse it has gotten. At this point in time to me the term deadly pandemic seems like a very loose use of the term. Hopefully it remains that way. I am very hopeful it never gets to the point that I will consider it a deadly pandemic. I'm personally taking steps to fight the virus and I'm joining Bruce in praying every morning for an end to it.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 11:55:26 AM  1 votes
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I hear the words Deadly Pandemic thrown out regarding COVID 19 all the time. I have a question that might be sensitive, but I don't know a single person who has died from it. I know Bruce who came close and a girl I collaborate with from another agency who got it and had what amounted to a bad cold from it.
If it's a deadly Pandemic shouldn't I know somebody who died from it? Is there anybody of us who actually knows somebody who died from it. Am I just lucky that nobody I know has died from it?

Better question for you to ask yourself, but also kind of sensitive: "If I'm not a self-absorbed solipsist who thinks things only matter if they directly affect me, would I see the world differently? Would I be able to understand that myriad meaningful, impactful, profound things can happen in the world that have nothing to do with me, and/or do not directly affect me?"

Bohumm nice word solipsist. I never heard it before and won't be looking it up. I asked the question to see if it was affecting anybody else I know like you for example. Asking the question was my way of not being self absorbed. This is being called a Deadly Pandemic. It is pretty much being made to be the equivalent of the Bubonic Plague. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on just how deadly it is in a 2nd hand way, by discussing it with board members. I used the word sensitive, because if you or somebody else does know somebody who has died from it you may not want to share it. However, if people are willing to discuss it then it will help me understand the impact better. A bunch of numbers are far less impactful than actual people I know sharing the impact it has had on their lives.

You seek to understand, but not at the level of effort required to look up a word online. "I want knowledge, but make it easier than highlighting a single word on a computer screen, right-clicking, and moving ALLLLLLLLLLLL the way to another tab or window. I...I....I....I just can't..."

I basically thought you were using that word to be a dick so I wasn't going to humor you on that. If you feel like defining it here go ahead. How about trying to not be a dick and having a legit discussion with me?

This whole exchange started with your statement that your right to watch NFL football games trumps the importance of the death of an NFL player from the virus. Get back to me when I'm that much of a dick, and I'll dial it down. BTW, "trumps" in this case is not the President's family; it means overrides in this instance. I saved you a right click; how much of a dick could I possibly be?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:00:03 PM  2 votes
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This disease does seem to impact disproportionately those who are advanced in age, have a compromised immune system, (Herman Cain just died of Covid because of that), or have other preexisting medical conditions such as being overweight, kidney problems, etc. My mother is bunkered down in her condo accepting only necessary care givers. Even we family members are not visiting her. My sister, a retired nurse, told me bluntly that if she gets Covid she will die for sure.

On the other hand, there are certainly many more individuals who have been infected than we can know. When we hear about a football player being infected, we are not really fearing for their lives more than wondering how it will impact the teams fortunes. I am guilty of that.

Prevention certainly is better than a cure, so I am all for social distancing, sterilization measures and the isolation of those who are most at risk. For those who are young and healthy I am more of the mindset that they shouldn't be intimidated by the disease. So for example, I am a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL. I'm also in favor of children going back to school because there are certain adverse consequences if they don't. I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen. Kobe Bryant had to know that there were some risks in getting into a helicopter. I have determined for myself that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm trying really hard not to cross the line into political talk here, but that is my perspective. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't make them a bad person- just we think differently and it's good if we can have conversations with each other with out bashing each other. Just like any issue, there are two sides that have points to be made and heard.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:11:35 PM   
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I hear the words Deadly Pandemic thrown out regarding COVID 19 all the time. I have a question that might be sensitive, but I don't know a single person who has died from it. I know Bruce who came close and a girl I collaborate with from another agency who got it and had what amounted to a bad cold from it.
If it's a deadly Pandemic shouldn't I know somebody who died from it? Is there anybody of us who actually knows somebody who died from it. Am I just lucky that nobody I know has died from it?

Better question for you to ask yourself, but also kind of sensitive: "If I'm not a self-absorbed solipsist who thinks things only matter if they directly affect me, would I see the world differently? Would I be able to understand that myriad meaningful, impactful, profound things can happen in the world that have nothing to do with me, and/or do not directly affect me?"

Bohumm nice word solipsist. I never heard it before and won't be looking it up. I asked the question to see if it was affecting anybody else I know like you for example. Asking the question was my way of not being self absorbed. This is being called a Deadly Pandemic. It is pretty much being made to be the equivalent of the Bubonic Plague. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on just how deadly it is in a 2nd hand way, by discussing it with board members. I used the word sensitive, because if you or somebody else does know somebody who has died from it you may not want to share it. However, if people are willing to discuss it then it will help me understand the impact better. A bunch of numbers are far less impactful than actual people I know sharing the impact it has had on their lives.

You seek to understand, but not at the level of effort required to look up a word online. "I want knowledge, but make it easier than highlighting a single word on a computer screen, right-clicking, and moving ALLLLLLLLLLLL the way to another tab or window. I...I....I....I just can't..."

I basically thought you were using that word to be a dick so I wasn't going to humor you on that. If you feel like defining it here go ahead. How about trying to not be a dick and having a legit discussion with me?

This whole exchange started with your statement that your right to watch NFL football games trumps the importance of the death of an NFL player from the virus. Get back to me when I'm that much of a dick, and I'll dial it down. BTW, "trumps" in this case is not the President's family; it means overrides in this instance. I saved you a right click; how much of a dick could I possibly be?

The bolded post that you made is a LIE. I never said it. I never even implied it. Take my words in that case literally. My point is that with reasonable precautions we should move on with our lives. IIRC you are in favor of completely shutting all sports down. Am I correct about that?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:17:08 PM   
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This disease does seem to impact disproportionately those who are advanced in age, have a compromised immune system, (Herman Cain just died of Covid because of that), or have other preexisting medical conditions such as being overweight, kidney problems, etc. My mother is bunkered down in her condo accepting only necessary care givers. Even we family members are not visiting her. My sister, a retired nurse, told me bluntly that if she gets Covid she will die for sure.

On the other hand, there are certainly many more individuals who have been infected than we can know. When we hear about a football player being infected, we are not really fearing for their lives more than wondering how it will impact the teams fortunes. I am guilty of that.

Prevention certainly is better than a cure, so I am all for social distancing, sterilization measures and the isolation of those who are most at risk. For those who are young and healthy I am more of the mindset that they shouldn't be intimidated by the disease. So for example, I am a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL. I'm also in favor of children going back to school because there are certain adverse consequences if they don't. I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen. Kobe Bryant had to know that there were some risks in getting into a helicopter. I have determined for myself that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm trying really hard not to cross the line into political talk here, but that is my perspective. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't make them a bad person- just we think differently and it's good if we can have conversations with each other with out bashing each other. Just like any issue, there are two sides that have points to be made and heard.

Great post Bruce. My intent is to have intelligent discussion regarding this virus. Some are trying to paint me as a person who does not care about it. That couldn't be further from the truth. I'm following the safety recommendations, but I'm not going to live my life in fear. Reasonable precautions is my mantra. Move forward while taking reasonable precautions.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:35:45 PM   
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This disease does seem to impact disproportionately those who are advanced in age, have a compromised immune system, (Herman Cain just died of Covid because of that), or have other preexisting medical conditions such as being overweight, kidney problems, etc. My mother is bunkered down in her condo accepting only necessary care givers. Even we family members are not visiting her. My sister, a retired nurse, told me bluntly that if she gets Covid she will die for sure.

On the other hand, there are certainly many more individuals who have been infected than we can know. When we hear about a football player being infected, we are not really fearing for their lives more than wondering how it will impact the teams fortunes. I am guilty of that.

Prevention certainly is better than a cure, so I am all for social distancing, sterilization measures and the isolation of those who are most at risk. For those who are young and healthy I am more of the mindset that they shouldn't be intimidated by the disease. So for example, I am a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL. I'm also in favor of children going back to school because there are certain adverse consequences if they don't. I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen. Kobe Bryant had to know that there were some risks in getting into a helicopter. I have determined for myself that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm trying really hard not to cross the line into political talk here, but that is my perspective. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't make them a bad person- just we think differently and it's good if we can have conversations with each other with out bashing each other. Just like any issue, there are two sides that have points to be made and heard.

Great post Bruce. My intent is to have intelligent discussion regarding this virus. Some are trying to paint me as a person who does not care about it. That couldn't be further from the truth. I'm following the safety recommendations, but I'm not going to live my life in fear. Reasonable precautions is my mantra. Move forward while taking reasonable precautions.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:38:15 PM  1 votes
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This disease does seem to impact disproportionately those who are advanced in age, have a compromised immune system, (Herman Cain just died of Covid because of that), or have other preexisting medical conditions such as being overweight, kidney problems, etc. My mother is bunkered down in her condo accepting only necessary care givers. Even we family members are not visiting her. My sister, a retired nurse, told me bluntly that if she gets Covid she will die for sure.

On the other hand, there are certainly many more individuals who have been infected than we can know. When we hear about a football player being infected, we are not really fearing for their lives more than wondering how it will impact the teams fortunes. I am guilty of that.

Prevention certainly is better than a cure, so I am all for social distancing, sterilization measures and the isolation of those who are most at risk. For those who are young and healthy I am more of the mindset that they shouldn't be intimidated by the disease. So for example, I am a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL. I'm also in favor of children going back to school because there are certain adverse consequences if they don't. I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen. Kobe Bryant had to know that there were some risks in getting into a helicopter. I have determined for myself that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm trying really hard not to cross the line into political talk here, but that is my perspective. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't make them a bad person- just we think differently and it's good if we can have conversations with each other with out bashing each other. Just like any issue, there are two sides that have points to be made and heard.


Unfortunately that's how we get massive spikes in cases.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:43:07 PM  1 votes
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My thoughts about kids going back to school is that yes, being in school is important for a long list of reasons. But going back in August or September? Probably a really bad idea in many areas.

If we all follow the strict directives of the medical community - there is a good chance we can have this thing down to really low numbers by October (quoting Dr. Peter Hotez, professor of molecular virology, among other distinctions). If that's the case, then kids can go back to school in November and pretty quickly catch up on the socialization they need.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:45:35 PM  1 votes
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The data on young, healthy people has morphed to show that they are quite vulnerable, which is the opposite of what the early thoughts were.

This is the perfect example of how information will move recommendations as we learn more about this novel virus. Let's not blame the scientists for what they didn't know early on, but rather laud them for the continued study and their recommendations as more information becomes available.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 12:48:18 PM   
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The data on young, healthy people has morphed to show that they are quite vulnerable, which is the opposite of what the early thoughts were.

This is the perfect example of how information will move recommendations as we learn more about this novel virus. Let's not blame the scientists for what they didn't know early on, but rather laud them for the continued study and their recommendations as more information becomes available.


And it doesn't help when you have people like Betsy DeVos using her position of power and spotlight to blatantly spread misinformation and outright lies.

Direct quote from DeVos: “Kids are actually stoppers of the disease and they don’t get it and transmit it themselves, so we should be in a posture of — the default should be getting back to school kids in person, in the classroom.”
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:09:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This disease does seem to impact disproportionately those who are advanced in age, have a compromised immune system, (Herman Cain just died of Covid because of that), or have other preexisting medical conditions such as being overweight, kidney problems, etc. My mother is bunkered down in her condo accepting only necessary care givers. Even we family members are not visiting her. My sister, a retired nurse, told me bluntly that if she gets Covid she will die for sure.

On the other hand, there are certainly many more individuals who have been infected than we can know. When we hear about a football player being infected, we are not really fearing for their lives more than wondering how it will impact the teams fortunes. I am guilty of that.

Prevention certainly is better than a cure, so I am all for social distancing, sterilization measures and the isolation of those who are most at risk. For those who are young and healthy I am more of the mindset that they shouldn't be intimidated by the disease. So for example, I am a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL. I'm also in favor of children going back to school because there are certain adverse consequences if they don't. I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen. Kobe Bryant had to know that there were some risks in getting into a helicopter. I have determined for myself that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm trying really hard not to cross the line into political talk here, but that is my perspective. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't make them a bad person- just we think differently and it's good if we can have conversations with each other with out bashing each other. Just like any issue, there are two sides that have points to be made and heard.

Great post Bruce. My intent is to have intelligent discussion regarding this virus. Some are trying to paint me as a person who does not care about it. That couldn't be further from the truth. I'm following the safety recommendations, but I'm not going to live my life in fear. Reasonable precautions is my mantra. Move forward while taking reasonable precautions.

+1

my mind set is that this is the new normal. You can head down to your basement and board up the windows like hoiseth or you can continue living life as safely as you can.



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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:10:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This disease does seem to impact disproportionately those who are advanced in age, have a compromised immune system, (Herman Cain just died of Covid because of that), or have other preexisting medical conditions such as being overweight, kidney problems, etc. My mother is bunkered down in her condo accepting only necessary care givers. Even we family members are not visiting her. My sister, a retired nurse, told me bluntly that if she gets Covid she will die for sure.

On the other hand, there are certainly many more individuals who have been infected than we can know. When we hear about a football player being infected, we are not really fearing for their lives more than wondering how it will impact the teams fortunes. I am guilty of that.

Prevention certainly is better than a cure, so I am all for social distancing, sterilization measures and the isolation of those who are most at risk. For those who are young and healthy I am more of the mindset that they shouldn't be intimidated by the disease. So for example, I am a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL. I'm also in favor of children going back to school because there are certain adverse consequences if they don't. I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen. Kobe Bryant had to know that there were some risks in getting into a helicopter. I have determined for myself that the benefits outweigh the risks. I'm trying really hard not to cross the line into political talk here, but that is my perspective. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't make them a bad person- just we think differently and it's good if we can have conversations with each other with out bashing each other. Just like any issue, there are two sides that have points to be made and heard.


Unfortunately that's how we get massive spikes in cases.

Not if they're taking reasonable precautions.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:12:03 PM   
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My thoughts about kids going back to school is that yes, being in school is important for a long list of reasons. But going back in August or September? Probably a really bad idea in many areas.

If we all follow the strict directives of the medical community - there is a good chance we can have this thing down to really low numbers by October (quoting Dr. Peter Hotez, professor of molecular virology, among other distinctions). If that's the case, then kids can go back to school in November and pretty quickly catch up on the socialization they need.

Sounds good. He/You have a plan of moving forward responsibly.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:12:07 PM   
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My thoughts about kids going back to school is that yes, being in school is important for a long list of reasons. But going back in August or September? Probably a really bad idea in many areas.

If we all follow the strict directives of the medical community - there is a good chance we can have this thing down to really low numbers by October (quoting Dr. Peter Hotez, professor of molecular virology, among other distinctions). If that's the case, then kids can go back to school in November and pretty quickly catch up on the socialization they need.


We can't get adults to social distance or consistently wear masks, how does anyone expect children to be better?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:14:37 PM   
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The data on young, healthy people has morphed to show that they are quite vulnerable, which is the opposite of what the early thoughts were.

This is the perfect example of how information will move recommendations as we learn more about this novel virus. Let's not blame the scientists for what they didn't know early on, but rather laud them for the continued study and their recommendations as more information becomes available.

Define quite vulnerable? Everything I'm still hearing is that they're vulnerability is very low. They might get it and never know they had it with no side effects going forward. I'm sure there are a few exceptions. Are there a high percentage of exceptions?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:20:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

My thoughts about kids going back to school is that yes, being in school is important for a long list of reasons. But going back in August or September? Probably a really bad idea in many areas.

If we all follow the strict directives of the medical community - there is a good chance we can have this thing down to really low numbers by October (quoting Dr. Peter Hotez, professor of molecular virology, among other distinctions). If that's the case, then kids can go back to school in November and pretty quickly catch up on the socialization they need.


We can't get adults to social distance or consistently wear masks, how does anyone expect children to be better?

A lot adults are a lot less responsible than a lot of children.
You actually make a good point.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:32:04 PM   
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People think young people catch the virus and it's sort of ok because chances are they won't be too affected by it. What they forget is these people, or anyone, then go and actively spread the virus.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:34:26 PM  1 votes
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Pretty sure the Bubonic plague wiped out entire villages and towns leaving no one alive in it's wake.

Exactly. That was a deadly pandemic. Is COVID-19 a deadly pandemic? Like Lynn said it's a question of how you define it. Bill do you know anybody who has died from COVID-19?

No. keeping my fingers crossed though.

I know a number of people who have died from it.

Neighbor across the street lost his wife, neighbor just north has it and was sent home for hospice care.. so death could be any day.

I could go on, but why? Those who choose to treat this as “ overblown malarkey”.. are unfathomably stubborn and narrow minded.

No offense intended, but come the Fq on, man.

Do you WANT a family member or friend or acquaintance to DIE, before you “believe”?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:35:33 PM  1 votes
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I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen.

A related analogy that thousands of people die in car accidents every year was rightly discredited early on: car accidents are not contagious.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:37:58 PM   
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People think young people catch the virus and it's sort of ok because chances are they won't be too affected by it. What they forget is these people, or anyone, then go and actively spread the virus.

Bill, sorry for replying to your post, but I very much agree with you.
In moving forward with sports I think the risk to the players themselves, once the Michael Pierce's opt out, is very low. However, they need to then follow all the social distancing when they are back among other people.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:42:01 PM   
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It's rare to have a disease that is very contagious and very deadly. Unfortunately, COVID-19 is in the sweet spot so to speak where it is pretty contagious and pretty deadly. Not to mention it has adversely affected untold numbers with kidney problems, scarred lungs, and other maladies just being discovered.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:44:22 PM   
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Pretty sure the Bubonic plague wiped out entire villages and towns leaving no one alive in it's wake.

Exactly. That was a deadly pandemic. Is COVID-19 a deadly pandemic? Like Lynn said it's a question of how you define it. Bill do you know anybody who has died from COVID-19?

No. keeping my fingers crossed though.

I know a number of people who have died from it.

Neighbor across the street lost his wife, neighbor just north has it and was sent home for hospice care.. so death could be any day.

I could go on, but why? Those who choose to treat this as “ overblown malarkey”.. are unfathomably stubborn and narrow minded.

No offense intended, but come the Fq on, man.

Do you WANT a family member or friend or acquaintance to DIE, before you “believe”?

Daniel thanks for being the first to share about knowing somebody who has died from COVID-19 on this message board. I don't know of anybody on this board who has referred to COVID-19 concerns as malarkey of any kind. I think it is dangerous and everybody should take reasonable precautions against it. Do you feel we should not go out in public under any circumstances such as shopping for needed household items and food? Am I not taking reasonable precautions by going to a restaurant to eat about once every two weeks while sitting by myself and wearing a mask any time that I'm not actively putting food in my mouth?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 1:46:32 PM   
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I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen.

A related analogy that thousands of people die in car accidents every year was rightly discredited early on: car accidents are not contagious.

I think what Bruce is conveying is that we take risks daily every time we leave the house. There are even risks in the house like falling down the stairs or climbing up a ladder.

Not saying they are the same though. The covid is an invisible enemy thus making it more dangerous imo.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 2:01:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I know that there's a certain element of risk, but there is risk every time we get into an automobile. Even if we have good driving skills and practice defensive driving, still bad things can happen.

A related analogy that thousands of people die in car accidents every year was rightly discredited early on: car accidents are not contagious.

I think what Bruce is conveying is that we take risks daily every time we leave the house. There are even risks in the house like falling down the stairs or climbing up a ladder.

Not saying they are the same though. The covid is an invisible enemy thus making it more dangerous imo.


It was in the context of him being a strong proponent for still having football- both in college and in the NFL, which was the sentence prior. Accidents are singular events. COVID, particularly with team sports quickly moves into the societal arena with associated dangers to many from just one person.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 2:02:52 PM  2 votes
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I'm saying that we have to balance the risks and rewards. We seem to perceive them differently. For example, I seem to value the professional supervision in education of younger children than Lynn does, and she seems to have greater concern for the health risks of returning to school. I will accept one of her points, though, that all school districts should be individually evaluated. Some city districts may have greater risks than certain rural districts.

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