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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 6:02:31 PM  1 votes
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Then there is the matter of exposing 3.2-3.7 million U.S. teachers to a deadly virus.


I never read people concerned about 1.5 million Wal-Mart associates being "exposed" to the "deadly virus" for 5 whole months before the first teacher will.

Or all the firemen. Police officers. Of course, a bunch of people in the medical field! Pilots, flight attendants, plumbers, repair technicians, warehouse workers, people that work in food production, factory workers. Edit, I forgot postal workers, and delivery people! And I am sure many others.

I do not understand why, if we take every precaution possible, people think that teachers need to be treated differently?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 8:17:41 PM   
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unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapardize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 9:26:53 PM   
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70% alcohol is fine, and actually much better for surfaces, etc.


Thank you! Yeah, my cupboard doors around the handles are starting to lose their color
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 10:53:41 PM   
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unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapardize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

What about taking Iron pills?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 7/31/2020 11:31:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapardize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

Bruce, red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is how we carry almost all of our oxygen. If your body is already working hard to recover, it may be a bad idea to deplete your oxygen carrying capacity further than it already is due to the anemia. It may well be that they won't even let you donate; the Red Cross won't if you have anemia.

I think your wife sounds like a wise woman.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 7:20:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapardize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

What about taking Iron pills?


I was taking them and then my personal doctor told me to stop after my blood thinner medication was used up, but yes, now I am taking iron as a supplement again. Normally men do not need extra iron, but now I understand why the hospital doctor prescribed iron for me. He never told me my red blood cell count was down. He just told me that it "looked good".

I got a nice surprise this morning. It's kind of like the monopoly game where the guy faints when he learns that there was a "bank error in your favor". I received a payment from my previous company of over a grand and I have no idea why. I'm not going to call them to ask them if it was some mistake or something. It looks like it might be some kind of insurance money. I'll take it!

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 7:26:56 AM   
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unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapordize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

Bruce, red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is how we carry almost all of our oxygen. If your body is already working hard to recover, it may be a bad idea to deplete your oxygen carrying capacity further than it already is due to the anemia. It may well be that they won't even let you donate; the Red Cross won't if you have anemia.

I think your wife sounds like a wise woman.


My mother, who used to be a nurse told me the same. I just learned about it and will let the blood donor company know and ask them what their policy is about that. I have not donated plasma yet. Maybe I won't, now. I didn't ask my doctor because I was afraid he would say no. I'm sure he would say no now.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 8:26:38 AM   
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https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-updates-hand-sanitizers-consumers-should-not-use

I went through the list because we use germ x for the most part.

Basically avoid any hand sanitizer made in Mexico.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 8:49:58 AM   
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I've never been a fan of sanitizer. I prefer to use soap and water. Of course the sanitizer is good when soap and water are not conveniently available. What do you think, Bill?

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 8:54:35 AM   
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I've never been a fan of sanitizer. I prefer to use soap and water. Of course the sanitizer is good when soap and water are not conveniently available. What do you think, Bill?

Agree. I use soap and water at home. If I need to hold my grand daughter and don't have time to wash my hands I use the germ x.

Also obviously when I'm on the road I have germ x in the vehicle.

That FDA thing gave me a bit of a scare.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 11:16:42 AM  2 votes
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Then there is the matter of exposing 3.2-3.7 million U.S. teachers to a deadly virus.


I never read people concerned about 1.5 million Wal-Mart associates being "exposed" to the "deadly virus" for 5 whole months before the first teacher will.

Or all the firemen. Police officers. Of course, a bunch of people in the medical field! Pilots, flight attendants, plumbers, repair technicians, warehouse workers, people that work in food production, factory workers. Edit, I forgot postal workers, and delivery people! And I am sure many others.

I do not understand why, if we take every precaution possible, people think that teachers need to be treated differently?


Uh, maybe because school was being discussed?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 11:44:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapordize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

Bruce, red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is how we carry almost all of our oxygen. If your body is already working hard to recover, it may be a bad idea to deplete your oxygen carrying capacity further than it already is due to the anemia. It may well be that they won't even let you donate; the Red Cross won't if you have anemia.

I think your wife sounds like a wise woman.

My mother, who used to be a nurse told me the same. I just learned about it and will let the blood donor company know and ask them what their policy is about that. I have not donated plasma yet. Maybe I won't, now. I didn't ask my doctor because I was afraid he would say no. I'm sure he would say no now.


Uh.. donating plasma has zero effects on RBC. Plasma is the non RBC component of the blood.

Plasmapheresis is a process in which the liquid part of the blood, or plasma, is separated from the blood cells. Typically, the plasma is replaced with another solution such as saline or albumin, or the plasma is treated and then returned to your body.

In this case, donating to provide antibodies, it is not hemoglobin nor red blood cells that are donated.

Yes Anemia is a serous concern and if you do the research on foods and supplements to increase iron level and specifically how to treat Anemia, it’s not medical rocket science.

The point is, before volunteering to donate plasma, get your own health house in order.
Corona virus is known to effect other major organs and their functions, beyond the obvious damage to the respiratory system.

It’s ok to be selfish for a bit until you have reached a level of health that will not further endanger yourself or others.

I am glad you are recovering, but patience and intelligence combined wit a realistic consideration of our general healt is equally important as the desire to help others.

Take care of yourself, Bruce.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 2:17:01 PM   
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Then there is the matter of exposing 3.2-3.7 million U.S. teachers to a deadly virus.


I never read people concerned about 1.5 million Wal-Mart associates being "exposed" to the "deadly virus" for 5 whole months before the first teacher will.

Or all the firemen. Police officers. Of course, a bunch of people in the medical field! Pilots, flight attendants, plumbers, repair technicians, warehouse workers, people that work in food production, factory workers. Edit, I forgot postal workers, and delivery people! And I am sure many others.

I do not understand why, if we take every precaution possible, people think that teachers need to be treated differently?


Uh, maybe because school was being discussed?


Teachers need to be treated differently because school was being discussed? That does not seem to follow.

So, do we just shut absolutely everything down so no one is "exposed" to a "deadly virus"?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 2:22:25 PM   
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"Remote schooling leads to a 'shocking' disparity between rich and poor students."

https://money.yahoo.com/remote-school-in-the-fall-will-hurt-lowincome-students-the-most-152333355.html
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 2:34:41 PM   
unome

 

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unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapardize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.


Thanks! Good to be someone's hero despite getting a one star vote from someone that clearly is not a Wal-Mart shopper.

We are definitely leaving our kids, or grandkids, with a big bag full of IOUs. "Here kids, we could not control ourselves or be fiscally responsible so we gave you a 25 trillion dollar debt. OK, it will probably be more than 26 trillion before New Year's. It would have been more than 28 trillion if we had passed the House's ridiculous 'everyone gets a trillion' bill. So kids, we not only spent your inheritance, but we also gave you a debt burden that is, by far, the biggest of any nation is history. Good luck with that!"

Anyway, Bruce, I hope you feel better today!

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 2:36:49 PM   
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I am 100% supportive of mask-wearing and I support this being a requirement both in schools and in indoor public spaces. BUT, I am very leery about distance learning in education. It was a massive failure in the spring and, while it could improve somewhat, it will not be a good choice if we care about our children's learning.

There are so many problems with distance learning, it is hard to know where to start.

First, let me acknowledge that many well-adjusted, regularly-abled children with excellent adult supervision and support can do just fine with distance learning. The problem is all the children that do not have one or more these aspects will have significant issues with learning from home. The CDC Director said recently that approximately 7.1 million children nationwide receive their mental health care and special educational services from school resources so it is hard to measure the level of damage these children not getting this support (and Zoom is a terrible substitute). And what do you do for Special Needs children with distance learning? They often essentially stopped progressing and many started regressing. 14% of our children will be significantly harmed with distance learning.

How about the gap between the haves and have-nots? White-collar and well-off children will have an adult parent keeping them motivated and on-track, but what about single parents and the children whose parents are less academically focused? Many of these children may as well not have school. In some poorer areas, less than half of the kids ever even went online during distance learning last year! And if they do not have Internet access, is distance-learning even possible? I know a single parents who will be working regardless of whether their will be distance learning or not. Some of these kids are not even old enough to be left at home legally. And even if we decided to pay these parents to stay home with their kids, this could be an economic disaster. A 25 trillion dollar debt will eventually turn against us and cause massive problems,why push the envelope? And many businesses need these employees, what happens to them? Maybe they go hire replacements because the jobs are core to the business and these single parents lose their jobs permanently.

For any parent that wants their children to do distance learning, they should be allowed to do this, so if there is a concern about a preexisting condition of the child or parent of the child, this can be an option that can be chosen. The only real problem is what if too many teachers want to opt-out, but the hard truth is that we can provide them the best PPEs and they may have to do what many around the country (at Target, Home Depot, etc.) have had to do for four months now and that is: take as much as precautions as possible and go to work.

Some districts have already announced they will do distance learning, but is almost impossible to fully appreciate how many lives will be harmed by these choices. How many jobs lost, careers harmed, mental illnesses worsened, how many at-risk children will be further behind their peers.

But we might save some lives, I hear over and over. I guess that is hard to argue. But, the same could be said of keeping kids home schooled every year, I suppose. According to the CDC, 64 children and adolescents under the age of 18 have died from COVID-19 as of last week. This is terrible, of course, but according to the CDC during a regular flu season, children deaths due to influenza range from 37 to 187 deaths. So, COVID is not discernibly worse than influenza for children. Yes, I know, the kids could get the disease and bring it home and give it to parents or grandparents. Thiss is why masks are required and we make ever reasonable effort to stop the spread to children even though the risk are relatively small.

Very nicely put. Many don't adequately account for the downside of staying on lock down. Difficult to accurately quantify the risks vs. benefits given all the unknowns, but neither should be ignored.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 2:39:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: unome

I am 100% supportive of mask-wearing and I support this being a requirement both in schools and in indoor public spaces. BUT, I am very leery about distance learning in education. It was a massive failure in the spring and, while it could improve somewhat, it will not be a good choice if we care about our children's learning.

There are so many problems with distance learning, it is hard to know where to start.

First, let me acknowledge that many well-adjusted, regularly-abled children with excellent adult supervision and support can do just fine with distance learning. The problem is all the children that do not have one or more these aspects will have significant issues with learning from home. The CDC Director said recently that approximately 7.1 million children nationwide receive their mental health care and special educational services from school resources so it is hard to measure the level of damage these children not getting this support (and Zoom is a terrible substitute). And what do you do for Special Needs children with distance learning? They often essentially stopped progressing and many started regressing. 14% of our children will be significantly harmed with distance learning.

How about the gap between the haves and have-nots? White-collar and well-off children will have an adult parent keeping them motivated and on-track, but what about single parents and the children whose parents are less academically focused? Many of these children may as well not have school. In some poorer areas, less than half of the kids ever even went online during distance learning last year! And if they do not have Internet access, is distance-learning even possible? I know a single parents who will be working regardless of whether their will be distance learning or not. Some of these kids are not even old enough to be left at home legally. And even if we decided to pay these parents to stay home with their kids, this could be an economic disaster. A 25 trillion dollar debt will eventually turn against us and cause massive problems,why push the envelope? And many businesses need these employees, what happens to them? Maybe they go hire replacements because the jobs are core to the business and these single parents lose their jobs permanently.

For any parent that wants their children to do distance learning, they should be allowed to do this, so if there is a concern about a preexisting condition of the child or parent of the child, this can be an option that can be chosen. The only real problem is what if too many teachers want to opt-out, but the hard truth is that we can provide them the best PPEs and they may have to do what many around the country (at Target, Home Depot, etc.) have had to do for four months now and that is: take as much as precautions as possible and go to work.

Some districts have already announced they will do distance learning, but is almost impossible to fully appreciate how many lives will be harmed by these choices. How many jobs lost, careers harmed, mental illnesses worsened, how many at-risk children will be further behind their peers.

But we might save some lives, I hear over and over. I guess that is hard to argue. But, the same could be said of keeping kids home schooled every year, I suppose. According to the CDC, 64 children and adolescents under the age of 18 have died from COVID-19 as of last week. This is terrible, of course, but according to the CDC during a regular flu season, children deaths due to influenza range from 37 to 187 deaths. So, COVID is not discernibly worse than influenza for children. Yes, I know, the kids could get the disease and bring it home and give it to parents or grandparents. Thiss is why masks are required and we make ever reasonable effort to stop the spread to children even though the risk are relatively small.

Very nicely put. Many don't adequately account for the downside of staying on lock down. Difficult to accurately quantify the risks vs. benefits given all the unknowns, but neither should be ignored.


Thank you.

Unfortunately, most of the options in the pandemic are: which of these two bad options do you think sucks less?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 3:15:27 PM   
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Then there is the matter of exposing 3.2-3.7 million U.S. teachers to a deadly virus.


I never read people concerned about 1.5 million Wal-Mart associates being "exposed" to the "deadly virus" for 5 whole months before the first teacher will.

Or all the firemen. Police officers. Of course, a bunch of people in the medical field! Pilots, flight attendants, plumbers, repair technicians, warehouse workers, people that work in food production, factory workers. Edit, I forgot postal workers, and delivery people! And I am sure many others.

I do not understand why, if we take every precaution possible, people think that teachers need to be treated differently?


Uh, maybe because school was being discussed?


Teachers need to be treated differently because school was being discussed? That does not seem to follow.

So, do we just shut absolutely everything down so no one is "exposed" to a "deadly virus"?



We weren't talking about firefighters or postal people or others you mentioned. We were talking about school, ergo teachers. Are you being obtuse to make some point?

To sum up, people were posting kids don't get hurt much by the virus. My point was that's all well and good, but they are conveniently forgetting it will be passed to the teachers.

You can harp all you want about getting their butts back to the classroom, but that wasn't the point of my one-sentence post. Whether they should go back or not, how guidelines are set up, etc, etc are all part of larger discussions.

And you had to have your head in the sand if you haven't read about concern over health workers being protected.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 3:34:28 PM   
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about 1.5 million Wal-Mart associates being "exposed" to the "deadly virus" for 5 whole months before the first teacher will.

Another fallacy. Many teachers were still in the classroom after other segments of society began to close.

And what's your point of essentially highlighting the words exposed and deadly virus in a sarcastic vein? Are they not legit?
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 3:53:21 PM   
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My view on going back to school: tough call, IDK. Too many inequities with distance learning. As mentioned, a single parent has to work... unless he/she gets the virus and can't go to work and/or becomes hospitalized. Guidelines will NOT be followed, no amount of punishment will help. Suspensions? With the aforementioned working parent or parents?

There are also going to be parents saying my kid doesn't need to wear a mask. More turmoil to add to the cluster****. Out of control townhalls. Lawsuits. It's already happening.

If we had national leadership to set the tone (to at least help minimize what has occurred) + a sense of behaving for the greater good maybe this wouldn't be such a dilemma. But that's not an answer for figuring out how to go forward.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 3:56:17 PM   
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As an Indiana school district welcomed students to the 2020-21 academic year, one of their students tested positive for Covid-19 on the first day of class, according to a letter sent to parents.

The Hancock County Health Department notified Greenfield-Central Junior High School Thursday afternoon that one of their students, who had attended part of the school day, tested positive for Covid-19, Superintendent Harold Olin said in a letter.


Sounds like MLB....

What people are forgetting when they talk of athletes and kids not being harmed by the virus is just a single positive case triggers further actions by the controlling organization/entity. If the spread is bad enough, pretty soon what you have is an unworkable operation that isn't even close to resembling what people envision.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 4:15:51 PM   
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"It is reassuring that in other countries that successfully did reopen schools, they didn't in general experience large outbreaks in their schools," says Anita Cicero, deputy director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

But she points out that these countries that successfully reopened schools had low community transmission on the date they reopened. "For instance in Japan, South Korea, Finland and France, each of those countries had about 1 or fewer cases per 100,000 people when they reopened," she says. In contrast, there are currently some U.S counties with 80 or more new daily cases per 100,000.

And while there's no standard metric for determining what rate of community spread is too high to have schools open, many epidemiologists say that when a county has more than 25 new cases a day per 100,000, the county is considered in the "red" zone and should consider shelter-in-place advisories, which would include keeping schools closed. "So we really need to be doing all we can to drive those numbers down so that we can return children to school buildings," Cicero says.

Given the fact that the virus is still circulating widely in many areas of the U.S., experts say school reopening plans must include measures to safeguard students and teachers. "The way we can do this safely is really by having very strong plans laid out ahead of time as to how to essentially limit interactions," says Dr. Bill Miller, an epidemiologist and physician at Ohio State University.



Per the last paragraph, in the U.S. "having very strong plans laid out ahead of time" is called "winging it".
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 5:15:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapordize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

Bruce, red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is how we carry almost all of our oxygen. If your body is already working hard to recover, it may be a bad idea to deplete your oxygen carrying capacity further than it already is due to the anemia. It may well be that they won't even let you donate; the Red Cross won't if you have anemia.

I think your wife sounds like a wise woman.

My mother, who used to be a nurse told me the same. I just learned about it and will let the blood donor company know and ask them what their policy is about that. I have not donated plasma yet. Maybe I won't, now. I didn't ask my doctor because I was afraid he would say no. I'm sure he would say no now.


Uh.. donating plasma has zero effects on RBC. Plasma is the non RBC component of the blood.

Plasmapheresis is a process in which the liquid part of the blood, or plasma, is separated from the blood cells. Typically, the plasma is replaced with another solution such as saline or albumin, or the plasma is treated and then returned to your body.

In this case, donating to provide antibodies, it is not hemoglobin nor red blood cells that are donated.

Yes Anemia is a serous concern and if you do the research on foods and supplements to increase iron level and specifically how to treat Anemia, it’s not medical rocket science.

The point is, before volunteering to donate plasma, get your own health house in order.
Corona virus is known to effect other major organs and their functions, beyond the obvious damage to the respiratory system.

It’s ok to be selfish for a bit until you have reached a level of health that will not further endanger yourself or others.

I am glad you are recovering, but patience and intelligence combined wit a realistic consideration of our general healt is equally important as the desire to help others.

Take care of yourself, Bruce.

Sorry, I was talking whole blood donations when Bruce was clearly talking about plasma!!! Thanks for the catch, Dan.
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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 5:25:25 PM  3 votes
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I want to thank everybody for their participation in this discussion. Much appreciated Lynn, Mark, Bill, Bill, Unome, DL, Sweens, Steve, Brian, Ed, Dan Bohumm, Jbusse, RickyJ and Bruce. After a lot of conversation and numbers being passed about it seems we all look at the COVID-19 crisis (that's the terminology I'm comfortable with) very similarly. I haven't heard one of us claiming we shouldn't take precautions or treat it seriously. In the end it comes down to a lot of arguing over something we are all mostly in agreement on.

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RE: Covid 19 and those infected - 8/1/2020 7:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

unome is my hero, especially since my wife works for Walmart.

There seems to be too much a way of thinking today of sacrificing the future for today. Let's spend money we don't have and ask our grandchildren to worry about it. Let's sacrifice children's education so that I can be safe. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain. Let's not solve problems. Let's just put them off.

Sorry. I should be talking about Covid. Let me say this. I got a blood test back yesterday. I'm low on my red blood cell count. My doctor calls it anemia. I've been reading about it. It's one of the ways that Covid attacks the body, but from what I can gather the body can recover from this in time. I should eat liver and other foods rich in iron. Mild exercise is also recommended.

Meanwhile anemia means I can tire easily and I probably require more sleep. I have to think again about donating plasma with my antibodies to save lives, which also may mildly deplete my red blood cell count. Everyone is telling me not to do it. I feel like I'm in the teacher's position. Should I jeapordize my health to try to save someone else? My wife says "let someone else donate plasma." I don't know. I always say that life is precious.

Bruce, red blood cells contain hemoglobin, which is how we carry almost all of our oxygen. If your body is already working hard to recover, it may be a bad idea to deplete your oxygen carrying capacity further than it already is due to the anemia. It may well be that they won't even let you donate; the Red Cross won't if you have anemia.

I think your wife sounds like a wise woman.

My mother, who used to be a nurse told me the same. I just learned about it and will let the blood donor company know and ask them what their policy is about that. I have not donated plasma yet. Maybe I won't, now. I didn't ask my doctor because I was afraid he would say no. I'm sure he would say no now.


Uh.. donating plasma has zero effects on RBC. Plasma is the non RBC component of the blood.

Plasmapheresis is a process in which the liquid part of the blood, or plasma, is separated from the blood cells. Typically, the plasma is replaced with another solution such as saline or albumin, or the plasma is treated and then returned to your body.

In this case, donating to provide antibodies, it is not hemoglobin nor red blood cells that are donated.

Yes Anemia is a serous concern and if you do the research on foods and supplements to increase iron level and specifically how to treat Anemia, it’s not medical rocket science.

The point is, before volunteering to donate plasma, get your own health house in order.
Corona virus is known to effect other major organs and their functions, beyond the obvious damage to the respiratory system.

It’s ok to be selfish for a bit until you have reached a level of health that will not further endanger yourself or others.

I am glad you are recovering, but patience and intelligence combined wit a realistic consideration of our general healt is equally important as the desire to help others.

Take care of yourself, Bruce.


Thank you, Daniel. I wish you the best, too.

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