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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Now reading upthread and see Brad's comment, which earned him five stars from me. There is a routine meme that goes around that government workers are lazy and don't do much. I've had several family members work in government and others who were teachers. You're going to have to fight me if you want to claim that they don't work hard. My dad was the perfect example.

Didn't mean to lump teachers in. I know they work hard. As do many others in different fields.

Firefighters have been pretty busy these days in California. Cops have their hands full.

I fought forest fires out in Calif 30 years ago. Brutal job.

I was wrong to paint a broad brush regarding Gov workers not doing their jobs. But some of the higher level services regarding paperwork don't seem to perform with any urgency.

Slow on the passport and we're also experiencing long delays on the state level.

Under the Trump administration, almost all government agencies have been dismantled to bare-bones operations. It's not the fault of the employees. It's the fault of the administration.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Now reading upthread and see Brad's comment, which earned him five stars from me. There is a routine meme that goes around that government workers are lazy and don't do much. I've had several family members work in government and others who were teachers. You're going to have to fight me if you want to claim that they don't work hard. My dad was the perfect example.

Didn't mean to lump teachers in. I know they work hard. As do many others in different fields.

Firefighters have been pretty busy these days in California. Cops have their hands full.

I fought forest fires out in Calif 30 years ago. Brutal job.

I was wrong to paint a broad brush regarding Gov workers not doing their jobs. But some of the higher level services regarding paperwork don't seem to perform with any urgency.

Slow on the passport and we're also experiencing long delays on the state level.

Under the Trump administration, almost all government agencies have been dismantled to bare-bones operations. It's not the fault of the employees. It's the fault of the administration.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Get a kick out of how all the state and government employees whom enjoy multiple more paid holidays than the average worker don't even need to go to work anymore.

Went to the courthouse the other day to renew my passport. What an absolute joke. They had a policeman in the entryway but no one else in the building. he went and got me the forms as that the public wasn't allowed in.

After filling out the forms and mailing them somewhere out east including my original passport. I go home and google how long this is going to take. Appears they're 250 million renewals behind because due to the covid no one is working. Appears the government isn't considered essential. Be lucky to see my new passport within the next 2-5 years.

Government and State jobs pay shi t

So if you want shi t pay and days off, go apply.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

You would think that the region with the most powerful DEMs/Libs in the country wouldn't be the Outlier example. Since they are staunchly against income inequality.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

Yes, total compensation, benefits, perks or similar terms do not necessarily equate to cash in pocket. A place could have a treadmill, and the 'total compensation' will include what a gym membership costs. Holidays, leave, etc are all converted to equivalent pay.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy


Government and State jobs pay shi t

So if you want shi t pay and days off, go apply.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Now reading upthread and see Brad's comment, which earned him five stars from me. There is a routine meme that goes around that government workers are lazy and don't do much. I've had several family members work in government and others who were teachers. You're going to have to fight me if you want to claim that they don't work hard. My dad was the perfect example.

Didn't mean to lump teachers in. I know they work hard. As do many others in different fields.

Firefighters have been pretty busy these days in California. Cops have their hands full.

I fought forest fires out in Calif 30 years ago. Brutal job.

I was wrong to paint a broad brush regarding Gov workers not doing their jobs. But some of the higher level services regarding paperwork don't seem to perform with any urgency.

Slow on the passport and we're also experiencing long delays on the state level.

Under the Trump administration, almost all government agencies have been dismantled to bare-bones operations. It's not the fault of the employees. It's the fault of the administration.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

Yes, total compensation, benefits, perks or similar terms do not necessarily equate to cash in pocket. A place could have a treadmill, and the 'total compensation' will include what a gym membership costs. Holidays, leave, etc are all converted to equivalent pay.

Total compensation is the only way employers look at labor costs.

And the cost of a treadmill would be split over all employee hours and be essentially nothing for a firm with a decent number of employees. One $500 piece of equipment for every 50 full-time employees would come out to a half a cent and hour of extra compensation for that year. Less if they can use that treadmill for multiple years.

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Something I should have mentioned to you all. My 77 year old uncle got the Virus. I prayed for him and spoke with him. He had a cold for about a week and is now up and running again. So it has affected somebody I know and love now. Any update on your grand-nephew Sweens?

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Now reading upthread and see Brad's comment, which earned him five stars from me. There is a routine meme that goes around that government workers are lazy and don't do much. I've had several family members work in government and others who were teachers. You're going to have to fight me if you want to claim that they don't work hard. My dad was the perfect example.

Didn't mean to lump teachers in. I know they work hard. As do many others in different fields.

Firefighters have been pretty busy these days in California. Cops have their hands full.

I fought forest fires out in Calif 30 years ago. Brutal job.

I was wrong to paint a broad brush regarding Gov workers not doing their jobs. But some of the higher level services regarding paperwork don't seem to perform with any urgency.

Slow on the passport and we're also experiencing long delays on the state level.

Under the Trump administration, almost all government agencies have been dismantled to bare-bones operations. It's not the fault of the employees. It's the fault of the administration.

Wait a minute. How do you think the Federal government works?

You seem to think that a President can just go in and slash payroll, but that is not accurate at all.

Nothing really changed a RE the Feds until the pandemic and then work largely stopped for many areas of the Federal Government as employees went home to 'work from home' and, well, must not have worked much.

Or maybe they couldn't. Who knows how these IT systems for different agencies work, are they set up for widespread working at home? There are ways this can be arranged, but was anyone motivated enough to make it happen? I am going to go out on a limb and guess no.

Here are some stats on Federal employment:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES9091000001

There is also data here: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ap_7_strengthening-fy2019.pdf



I know it is political season and partisans are going to do their spinning, but let's keep things truthful at least. The President cannot just slash Federal jobs, but even if he could, Trump certainly did not.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

Yes, total compensation, benefits, perks or similar terms do not necessarily equate to cash in pocket. A place could have a treadmill, and the 'total compensation' will include what a gym membership costs. Holidays, leave, etc are all converted to equivalent pay.

Total compensation is the only way employers look at labor costs.

And the cost of a treadmill would be split over all employee hours and be essentially nothing for a firm with a decent number of employees. One $500 piece of equipment for every 50 full-time employees would come out to a half a cent and hour of extra compensation for that year. Less if they can use that treadmill for multiple years.

I don't think the gov't calculates it like that. They simply reason that because a treadmill exists, we are adding the cost of a gym membership (based on some calculation) to your total compensation calculation. At least that is how it is done with my total compensation calculation.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

No doubt you'll get the reported one-offs, akin to "Well, Tom Brady was a 6th round pick".

Or misinformation like Jandro saying the passport backlog is 250 million.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I agree in that the president hasn't had those kind of sweeping powers. And I believe it ultimately comes down to the budgets for different agencies. If there looks like there will be a reduction in the out years, then they probably start offering various incentives to get people to retire. If that is inadequate and they still can't find cost savings, then they can lay off the probationary employees or let them go. And so on, as each agency likely has a hierarchy for reducing its force.

And it's true that the main obstacle to teleworking is likely connectivity to the IT networks in place. And safeguards. For example, there would have to be additional protections to safeguard personal information (ex. passport information and the info that goes into it) for any work being conducted from home.

I doubt gov't agencies simply gave up and said we'll not do a thing to get telework capability going. Rather, they probably faced obstacles... with varying degrees of success overcoming them.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy


Government and State jobs pay shi t

So if you want shi t pay and days off, go apply.

Government jobs pay pretty well in MN. Especially when you consider the huge amount of vacation and sick days you get.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy


Government and State jobs pay shi t

So if you want shi t pay and days off, go apply.

Government jobs pay pretty well in MN. Especially when you consider the huge amount of vacation and sick days you get.

My Sister sold two houses last week in Colorado and made $60,000 after taxes.
She had most of the Summer off.

Tell me more about those great State Jobs in Minnesota.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy


Government and State jobs pay shi t

So if you want shi t pay and days off, go apply.

Government jobs pay pretty well in MN. Especially when you consider the huge amount of vacation and sick days you get.

My Sister sold two houses last week in Colorado and made $60,000 after taxes.
She had most of the Summer off.

Tell me more about those great State Jobs in Minnesota.

You win!

Every state employee should quit their job and sell high-end real estate. Problem solved.

It is great that, last week, your sister made more than the median household income in the US for a year. And I am a capitalist so I am thrilled for your sister. Yay for where hard work and talent come together!

I do OK at Christmastime as well.

But, for people that do not have elite sales skills or another highly marketable skill, those people need to get regular paycheck jobs. And they would have a hard time finding a job that is more secure and has more benefits and time off than a government job.

I have no issue with anyone, like Lynn's spouse, that has a government job and all its benefits and works hard. The problem is all of the first-hand stories I have heard where this is not true. And it is often too hard to get rid of the bad employees so they just keep them around and hope they leave or retire. The work flow starts flowing around them as people in the agency know better than to give Jim or Jane any important work.

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy


Government and State jobs pay shi t

So if you want shi t pay and days off, go apply.

Government jobs pay pretty well in MN. Especially when you consider the huge amount of vacation and sick days you get.

My Sister sold two houses last week in Colorado and made $60,000 after taxes.
She had most of the Summer off.

Tell me more about those great State Jobs in Minnesota.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

Yes, total compensation, benefits, perks or similar terms do not necessarily equate to cash in pocket. A place could have a treadmill, and the 'total compensation' will include what a gym membership costs. Holidays, leave, etc are all converted to equivalent pay.

Total compensation is the only way employers look at labor costs.

And the cost of a treadmill would be split over all employee hours and be essentially nothing for a firm with a decent number of employees. One $500 piece of equipment for every 50 full-time employees would come out to a half a cent and hour of extra compensation for that year. Less if they can use that treadmill for multiple years.

I don't think the gov't calculates it like that. They simply reason that because a treadmill exists, we are adding the cost of a gym membership (based on some calculation) to your total compensation calculation. At least that is how it is done with my total compensation calculation.

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: unome

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

The ever popular Total Compensation Bait and Switch

Along with an Outlier Example.

Try to keep up.

Yes, total compensation, benefits, perks or similar terms do not necessarily equate to cash in pocket. A place could have a treadmill, and the 'total compensation' will include what a gym membership costs. Holidays, leave, etc are all converted to equivalent pay.

Total compensation is the only way employers look at labor costs.

And the cost of a treadmill would be split over all employee hours and be essentially nothing for a firm with a decent number of employees. One $500 piece of equipment for every 50 full-time employees would come out to a half a cent and hour of extra compensation for that year. Less if they can use that treadmill for multiple years.

I don't think the gov't calculates it like that. They simply reason that because a treadmill exists, we are adding the cost of a gym membership (based on some calculation) to your total compensation calculation. At least that is how it is done with my total compensation calculation.

I am not sure how the government calculates expenses for their employees, but you cannot throw a treadmill into an unused office and write it off as a $80 a month 'gym membership'. I wish you could.

At the end of the day, you just cannot add any expenses if they are not actually there. Not legally, at least.

You could count the square footage of the employee's gym in a calculation of total compensation, for example. But this would just mean taking some of the building cost from one bucket and then dumping it into the total compensation bucket.