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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:08:21 AM   
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Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:10:53 AM   
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Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:14:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:41:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 12:58:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.

I wasn't very clear in my post.

The 2nd statement was what I project for the Clippers.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 1:40:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.

I wasn't very clear in my post.

The 2nd statement was what I project for the Clippers.


I got that. I was just responding to the first part: "Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?"
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/22/2025 4:45:41 PM   
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OKC again this year? Houston will be a problem!
Two teams that are loaded, but it always comes down to which teams stay healthy.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/22/2025 7:56:42 PM   
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NBA Today or whatever it's called shifted from TBS (?) to ESPN this evening. How much did they have to pay Shaq to actually speak and engage like a normal 'host' vs sitting there like a lump? Or maybe they threatened to fire his ass. He was certainly jovial.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/22/2025 8:04:42 PM   
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I guess Kawhi's sister is still in prison?

A sister of LA Clippers star Kawhi Leonard was one of two women sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of an elderly woman in a Southern California casino in 2019.

Kimesha Williams, one of Leonard's sisters, and Candace Townsel were convicted in February for the murder of 84-year-old Afaf Assad in a bathroom at Pechanga Resort Casino in Temecula, California. Sentencing for the first-degree murder convictions was handed down Friday.


According to reports, Williams and Townsel went to the casino on Aug. 31, 2019, and Assad and her husband entered with a purse containing approximately $1,000 for gambling. When Assad went into a bathroom, Williams allegedly followed her and Townsel stayed outside to be the lookout.

A short time later, a woman in another stall heard a loud thud. Williams and Townsel were seen fleeing to the exit. Assad was found bleeding on the floor. She had a fractured skull and died four days later.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 3:55:51 PM   
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Damon Jones wasn't employed by the Lakers but had restricted access to the team in 2022-23 as he was on the court with LeBron James' during pregame workouts. Source tells The Athletic James was unaware Jones was allegedly selling/sharing info about his status.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 4:01:22 PM   
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The FBI is holding a press conference right now on the details around this morning's sports gambling bust.

Here are some of the highlights:

1. Current and former NBA players and coaches Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, and Damon Jones have been arrested.

2. This was an illegal gambling and sports rigging operation that spanned years across 11 states. In total, 30 individuals have been arrested (13 mafia members).

3. The case involves La Cosa Nostra (the Italian mafia).

4. Charges include illegal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.

5. There are two separate indictments. The first involves six defendants accused of participating in a sports corruption scheme that exploited insider information involving NBA players and teams. The defendants leveraged their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, winning tens of thousands of dollars per bet.

The second indictment involves 31 defendants charged with participating in a nationwide scheme to rig illegal poker games. The FBI says they used high-tech cheating technology to steal millions of dollars from victims in underground poker games that were secretly fixed.

6. The two cases are separate, but there are three overlapping defendants, including former NBA player and coach Damon Jones.

7. The FBI says that NBA player Terry Rozier told the defendants that he was going to leave a game early on March 23, 2023, with an injury. The defendants then placed more than $200,000 of wagers on the unders for his prop bets, with Rozier leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets paid out tens of thousands of dollars in profits, and the defendants and Rozier counted the money at his house.

8 The FBI says that former Raptors player Jontay Porter was threatened to participate in the sports gambling scheme because of his gambling debts.

9. Teams that were bet on during the sports gambling scheme include the Charlotte Hornets, Portland Trail Blazers, Los Angeles Lakers, and the Toronto Raptors.

10. The rigged poker games occurred in the Hamptons, Miami, Las Vegas, and Manhattan.

11. The poker scheme targeted victims who were lured to participate in rigged poker games by the chance to play alongside former professional athletes. These athletes included Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones.

12. The FBI says that the defendants utilized altered shuffling machines to read the cards in the deck and then relayed that information to an off-site operator. The offsite operator — known as the "quarterback" — then sent that information to someone at the table.

13. The FBI also says that the defendants utilized other cheating technologies, including poker chip trays that read cards through hidden cameras, special contact lenses and glasses that could read marked cards, and x-ray poker tables that could read cards face down.

14. The FBI says that the defendants robbed a victim at gunpoint to acquire a rigged shuffling machine.

15. The sports gambling investigation is called "Operation Nothing But Net," while the poker investigation is called "Operation Royal Flush."

16. The FBI has been working on this investigation for four years, with victims losing at least $7 million.

17. One specific victim lost at least $1.8 million.

18. The FBI reviewed thousands of hours of video evidence and executed more than two dozen search warrants.

These are just accusations at this point. I am just pointing out details from the FBI's investigation.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 8:30:36 PM   
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OKC again this year? Houston will be a problem!
Two teams that are loaded, but it always comes down to which teams stay healthy.


I say yes, Steve.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 9:41:25 PM   
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And OKC is now going into their 4th overtime of the season, two games in.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 10:30:46 PM   
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Joe Pompliano
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The FBI is holding a press conference right now on the details around this morning's sports gambling bust.

Here are some of the highlights:

1. Current and former NBA players and coaches Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, and Damon Jones have been arrested.

2. This was an illegal gambling and sports rigging operation that spanned years across 11 states. In total, 30 individuals have been arrested (13 mafia members).

3. The case involves La Cosa Nostra (the Italian mafia).

4. Charges include illegal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.

5. There are two separate indictments. The first involves six defendants accused of participating in a sports corruption scheme that exploited insider information involving NBA players and teams. The defendants leveraged their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, winning tens of thousands of dollars per bet.

The second indictment involves 31 defendants charged with participating in a nationwide scheme to rig illegal poker games. The FBI says they used high-tech cheating technology to steal millions of dollars from victims in underground poker games that were secretly fixed.

6. The two cases are separate, but there are three overlapping defendants, including former NBA player and coach Damon Jones.

7. The FBI says that NBA player Terry Rozier told the defendants that he was going to leave a game early on March 23, 2023, with an injury. The defendants then placed more than $200,000 of wagers on the unders for his prop bets, with Rozier leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets paid out tens of thousands of dollars in profits, and the defendants and Rozier counted the money at his house.

8 The FBI says that former Raptors player Jontay Porter was threatened to participate in the sports gambling scheme because of his gambling debts.

9. Teams that were bet on during the sports gambling scheme include the Charlotte Hornets, Portland Trail Blazers, Los Angeles Lakers, and the Toronto Raptors.

10. The rigged poker games occurred in the Hamptons, Miami, Las Vegas, and Manhattan.

11. The poker scheme targeted victims who were lured to participate in rigged poker games by the chance to play alongside former professional athletes. These athletes included Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones.

12. The FBI says that the defendants utilized altered shuffling machines to read the cards in the deck and then relayed that information to an off-site operator. The offsite operator — known as the "quarterback" — then sent that information to someone at the table.

13. The FBI also says that the defendants utilized other cheating technologies, including poker chip trays that read cards through hidden cameras, special contact lenses and glasses that could read marked cards, and x-ray poker tables that could read cards face down.

14. The FBI says that the defendants robbed a victim at gunpoint to acquire a rigged shuffling machine.

15. The sports gambling investigation is called "Operation Nothing But Net," while the poker investigation is called "Operation Royal Flush."

16. The FBI has been working on this investigation for four years, with victims losing at least $7 million.

17. One specific victim lost at least $1.8 million.

18. The FBI reviewed thousands of hours of video evidence and executed more than two dozen search warrants.

These are just accusations at this point. I am just pointing out details from the FBI's investigation.

For more updates, join 135,000 others who read my 3x weekly newsletter: https://huddleup.substack.com

The NBA already had their hands full sweeping the Clippers cheating under the rug. Now this.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/24/2025 2:17:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

OKC again this year? Houston will be a problem!
Two teams that are loaded, but it always comes down to which teams stay healthy.


I say yes, Steve.


God, I hope not. There is not a player in the league (now that Embiid is almost retired) that I enjoy watching less than Shai.

Woke up to this:

“Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Sets Free Throw Record: Most Attempts Through First Two Games In NBA History”

Its not even basketball. There is just so much acting, baiting, hooking, flailing, flopping, grifting, and pushing off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbG1SeqWW2U

SGA’s “highlight reel.” Even on jumpers and layups he makes with no foul call, he’s foul baiting

Big takeaway from the two videos: SGA’s “highlight” shots are lightly defended.

Defenders are terrified to touch him or get near enough that SGA will initiate contact/flop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lj6c3fvolkk

Just call him on his travels and the number of times he changes his pivot foot trying to draw contact and he'd be a completely different player.

https://x.com/CREAMYCOLE_/status/1981746130074436081

< Message edited by David Levine -- 10/24/2025 2:18:45 PM >
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/24/2025 6:55:22 PM   
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I'll also add that Finch was spot on when he said that OKC is allowed to defend in a way that would result in a foul every possession if their opponents defended that same way.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/25/2025 9:24:34 AM   
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I'll also add that Finch was spot on when he said that OKC is allowed to defend in a way that would result in a foul every possession if their opponents defended that same way.

I was hoping after giving OKC their ring that the NBA would officiate their games like everyone else. Appears creating a dynasty is more important than calling a fair game.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/25/2025 10:20:06 AM   
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The one thing we absolutely know for sure about the NBA is that there is a high likelihood that every single game is being manipulated for gambling purposes.

Also if something isn't done about flopping, this sport is going to die. The 'product' is mostly flopping with just a little basketball mixed in here and there.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/25/2025 11:17:48 AM   
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The one thing we absolutely know for sure about the NBA is that there is a high likelihood that every single game is being manipulated for gambling purposes.

Also if something isn't done about flopping, this sport is going to die. The 'product' is mostly flopping with just a little basketball mixed in here and there.

After this recent scandel officials will be looking to manipulate the over on individual player bets.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/25/2025 1:21:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.



quote:

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.


Arguably these were positives for the team
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/27/2025 12:12:31 AM  1 votes
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All LeBron and Luka free throws are automatically awarded to Austin Reeves in the event that both are out.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/27/2025 2:53:36 PM   
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There were 67 instances where a player took 15+ FTAs in a single game last season.

There have already been 11 in the first week of this season, including 4 last night.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/27/2025 5:28:58 PM   
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The one thing we absolutely know for sure about the NBA is that there is a high likelihood that every single game is being manipulated for gambling purposes.

Also if something isn't done about flopping, this sport is going to die. The 'product' is mostly flopping with just a little basketball mixed in here and there.

The players are unbelievably talented. They can handle it if you call the game like it is supposed to be called.

Screeners reasonably stationary. No pushing off. No flopping. Give the defenders a chance.

Yeah. The offense will go down. The video game numbers for some players will suffer.

This isn't basketball the way it was supposed to be played. Silver thinks individual career nights and 140 to 130 games are enticing to bring in fans. Maybe the casual fan but not the purists.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/27/2025 5:33:50 PM  1 votes
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All LeBron and Luka free throws are automatically awarded to Austin Reeves in the event that both are out.

You got to like Reaves. No muscle tone, undersized guy who somehow gets it done.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/28/2025 6:47:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

The one thing we absolutely know for sure about the NBA is that there is a high likelihood that every single game is being manipulated for gambling purposes.

Also if something isn't done about flopping, this sport is going to die. The 'product' is mostly flopping with just a little basketball mixed in here and there.

The players are unbelievably talented. They can handle it if you call the game like it is supposed to be called.

Screeners reasonably stationary. No pushing off. No flopping. Give the defenders a chance.

Yeah. The offense will go down. The video game numbers for some players will suffer.

This isn't basketball the way it was supposed to be played. Silver thinks individual career nights and 140 to 130 games are enticing to bring in fans. Maybe the casual fan but not the purists.


The worst part is that Houston, OKC, and even now the LAL don't need the advantage. What the Pacers did in the finals last year was amazing. They were able to counter the calls OKC normally gets.

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