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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 9:48:55 AM   
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If Zim hasn't used Barr as a DE by now, he isn't going to.


Except before we didn't have a LB that could cover now we do with Vigil and Kendricks.

Zim would put Barr on the edge based on how effectively he envisions him playing there. How well another LB covers has nothing to do with it.


I totally disagree. Barr was very good in coverage and Zimmer's defense is based on coverage.

I've had enough watching Barr get burned trying to cover WR's and RB's. He's good on TE's but a good game plan can take advantage of motion to get the coverage switched so it's in the O's advantage. Not that we do that, but I've seen it done to us a bunch. I'd rather have Barr attacking the QB more often than not that trailing a streaking WR for 6.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 9:49:45 AM   
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Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 9:50:37 AM   
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Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 4/30/2021 9:52:47 AM >


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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 9:56:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 9:57:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.


I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.



we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 9:59:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.


I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.



we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:01:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength.

As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:01:33 AM   
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I'm all for multiple trade ups. Finding teams willing to move right out of the 2nd is the issue. I found 2 maybes and posted as such.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:04:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.


I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.



we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left.



it would be nice to get into the 2nd, and still have three 3rd round picks...the 4th round starts to get washed out with all the compensitory picks in the 3rd & 4th....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:06:09 AM   
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At the end of the day, we can add all the pieces we want and still have a $12-million quarterback making $33-million. Ain't no cure for that in the short term.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:07:07 AM   
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At the end of the day, we can add all the pieces we want and still have a $12-million quarterback making $33-million. Ain't no cure for that.



Yes Brad, You've said that a few thousand times now. We know already

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:12:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength.

As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense.

We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong.

Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:14:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.

I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.

we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left.

it would be nice to get into the 2nd, and still have three 3rd round picks...the 4th round starts to get washed out with all the compensitory picks in the 3rd & 4th....

I'd rather have two seconds a 3rd & a 4th. There are potential starters at positions of need in the second round.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:17:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength.

As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense.

We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong.

Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both.


The line weakness is Dozier......but with all these picks I would jump on another OT plus the OG we should draft which might make Hill or someone else expendable (maybe another way to move up)?

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:19:39 AM   
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The line weakness was more than Dozier. Bradbury and Cleveland also got overpowered by the pass rush on a regular basis.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:20:04 AM   
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I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks.
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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:20:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.

I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.

we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left.

it would be nice to get into the 2nd, and still have three 3rd round picks...the 4th round starts to get washed out with all the compensitory picks in the 3rd & 4th....

I'd rather have two seconds a 3rd & a 4th. There are potential starters at positions of need in the second round.



yes, I'll take it...make it happen, spielman....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:21:48 AM   
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I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks.

No, I think Spielman wants to get into the 2nd round at least once. He has the capital. He will find a way to do it.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:24:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.

I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.

we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left.

it would be nice to get into the 2nd, and still have three 3rd round picks...the 4th round starts to get washed out with all the compensitory picks in the 3rd & 4th....

I'd rather have two seconds a 3rd & a 4th. There are potential starters at positions of need in the second round.

yes, I'll take it...make it happen, spielman....

What I would like to see...

Rd 2: Ossai & Dickerson
Rd 3: QBOF
Rd 4: WR3

& call it a draft.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:26:01 AM   
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Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength.

As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense.

We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong.

Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both.

Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth? I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm sure there is some that do, but....

That's a big statement to make. I guess it depends on how much strength one needs to add, but it seems to me that our guys need to add a lot.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:26:19 AM   
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I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks.

No, I think Spielman wants to get into the 2nd round at least once. He has the capital. He will find a way to do it.



i'd bet that spielman's next pick is either at safety or cornerback...he won't pick a guard until pick #78 or #86....

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:29:55 AM   
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I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks.




This was my concern when we traded back. It was a big move up for the Jets and they got the guy they really wanted. Give up some capital and get the Jets 2nd.

We'd be picking 2nd in the second round. Easier to move back from there if we want than up.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:33:00 AM   
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I'm going to predict we don't find a trade partner and have to sit out 33 picks.




This was my concern when we traded back. It was a big move up for the Jets and they got the guy they really wanted. Give up some capital and get the Jets 2nd.

We'd be picking 2nd in the second round. Easier to move back from there if we want than up.

It's always easy to play armchair GM, but when you have 15 minutes and someone calls, there is a lot of things to think about. What it tells me is that our GM didn't see a discernable difference between the talent available at 14 or 23.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:33:09 AM   
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Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.


It's encouraging to hear Spielman say that they're looking for bigger, stronger offensive linemen. It's about time. Ben Cleveland sounds like he'd be a nice addition in the 3rd round.

Landon Dickerson is a supposed stud at C. I want him cuz he can play G now and then move over to C after Bradbury busts.

Cleveland would also be a good get. Not sure if he's starting material but he'd be great in the dumbo package .

So was both Elflein and Bradbury.

I'm okay with Bradbury for another year. It's make or break with him this season. I'd like to see him with some talent around him to see what he really has. It's pretty tough with turnstiles on either side of you.

The difference is that Elflein and Bradbury were both known to be light in the shorts and in need of a lot quality time in the weight room. Dickerson is big, strong and mean. He is a punisher at the point of attack. He is also versatile, so I would happily put him at RG and slide Cleveland over to the left. We'll see if 3rd year is the charm for Bradbury adding enough strength.

As a general rule, what you add in strength you can lose in mobility. The Vikings o-line, believe it or not, is very good at zone blocking in the running game. A lot depends on what the younger Kubiak wants to do on offense.

We've all discussed at length that the line is pretty solid in the run game. The issue is that IOL gets blown off the ball in pass protection. The Vikings have paid too much attention to IOL being athletic and not enough to them being strong.

Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth. Modern training techniques are designed to improve both.

Adding strength leading to restricted mobility is a myth? I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm sure there is some that do, but....

That's a big statement to make.

How did Byron Buxton add 25 lbs over the last 2 years and get even faster? He was a wiry kid who hit the weight room hard and continued to work with his high school track coach to maintain speed and agility.

They days of training just to add size and bulk are over. In fact a lot of modern training is geared to increasing strength without adding significant bulk. It's counter productive to make the body stronger, but force it to carry excess weight.

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RE: NFL Draft 2021 - 4/30/2021 10:33:52 AM   
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Overall, I thought the move that Minnesota made to get two thirds and Darrisaw was a solid play. They needed an OT and they got a decent one. They needed added depth in the draft as a result of not much action in free agency, and got two third-round picks. I would have rather seen a second round pick, but they only had so much leverage and the #66 is fairly close to a late second. Now they need to get at least one solid interior guy in the third, and they've got a handful of picks to make it happen.

Actually, they need a Day 1 starter at OG, so they'd better know how they're getting that. Maybe there's a guy they've ID'd, maybe there's a move with a current pro (trade or street FA) that they know they can make to find a starter.

But one thing is 100% clear: Dozier ain't it.

They need to trade into the 2nd and get their guy. No more waiting and drafting the best of the left overs. They easily have enough draft capital to move into the 2nd round twice and get a pair of players like Ossai and Landon Dickerson.

I think its going to be hard to get a team willing to move out of the 2nd let alone 2 teams.

we could trade our 3rd round #66 and all three of our 4th rounders for about the #50 in the 2nd, and then still keep our three 3rd round picks....

We have enough capital to move into the second twice and still have 3rd and 4th picks left.

it would be nice to get into the 2nd, and still have three 3rd round picks...the 4th round starts to get washed out with all the compensitory picks in the 3rd & 4th....

I'd rather have two seconds a 3rd & a 4th. There are potential starters at positions of need in the second round.

yes, I'll take it...make it happen, spielman....

What I would like to see...

Rd 2: Ossai & Dickerson
Rd 3: QBOF
Rd 4: WR3

& call it a draft.


Except they probably need another safety too...i like it though. Prob be able to snag one in the 5th if enough capital?

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