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It'll be refreshing to have someone with potential backing up Cousins for the very first time.

Siemian, Mannion, Browning, Stanley...Its a good thing Kirk never gets hurt...

Man that list is so so bad.

100% on props to Cousins on staying healthy.

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Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.

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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Maybe a future top pick in the 6th round. I don't ever remember Browning being that highly regarded.

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Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.

He was definitely a player in HS and then in his Sophomore season (43 TDs, 9 iNTs, sixth in the 2016 Heisman Trophy voting).

The shoulder injury late that year basically destroyed him. And since its been 5 years since the injury, it's hard to imagine him ever recovering from it.

Browning attended Folsom High School in Folsom, California. At Folsom, Browning had a 4.0 GPA, was active in clubs, and set numerous national and state records during his high school career. In 46 games, he completed 1,191 of 1,708 attempts for 16,775 yards and 229 touchdowns, all California records. The 229 touchdowns also broke the national record previously held by Maty Mauk who had 219. As a senior, he threw for a national-record 91 touchdown passes. He also passed for a California-record 5,790 yards, which broke his record from his junior year. Browning was the Gatorade Football Player of the Year during his junior and senior years.

Browning was rated as a four-star recruit by Rivals.com and was ranked as the third-best pro-style recruit in his class. He committed to the University of Washington to play college football.

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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

Oh, I'm certain there's no real comparison between me and any professional athlete. I'm extrapolating, perhaps absurdly. I learned to avoid certain motions and developed weird ways to compensate, like using my body to throw my arm up to reach above my shoulder. I only had to undo a few layers of that compensation to get normal-ish. I assume he has had many, many more layers of movements to re-learn to throw at an NFL level.

But with so many muscles in the shoulder, order matters, and to make the next bit of improvement, one challenge is to figure out which muscles need what type of work. (In retrospect, I needed to do something weird to make progress, because I'd done all the standard stuff.) I assume they're constantly trying to figure out which thing to improve next. It's a fantastically complicated rehab, and I doubt his college rehab was done with the comprehensiveness he's gotten in two years with Sugarman.

Probably won't get to his former potential, but who knows. Sugarman is really good. Maybe he's re-developed Browning's throwing motion to be a solid NFL backup, with more potential.

Or maybe it'll fizz.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

There is also a difference between minor shoulder issues and a shoulder issue that requires surgery.

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

Oh, I'm certain there's no real comparison between me and any professional athlete. I'm extrapolating, perhaps absurdly. I learned to avoid certain motions and developed weird ways to compensate, like using my body to throw my arm up to reach above my shoulder. I only had to undo a few layers of that compensation to get normal-ish. I assume he has had many, many more layers of movements to re-learn to throw at an NFL level.

But with so many muscles in the shoulder, order matters, and to make the next bit of improvement, one challenge is to figure out which muscles need what type of work. (In retrospect, I needed to do something weird to make progress, because I'd done all the standard stuff.) I assume they're constantly trying to figure out which thing to improve next. It's a fantastically complicated rehab, and I doubt his college rehab was done with the comprehensiveness he's gotten in two years with Sugarman.

Probably won't get to his former potential, but who knows. Sugarman is really good. Maybe he's re-developed Browning's throwing motion to be a solid NFL backup, with more potential.

Or maybe it'll fizz.

And I'm fine with keeping him around a bit as an inactive 3rd QB to see if he can ever regain a viable NFL arm. But under no circumstance should he have been the #2 guy.