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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/14/2021 7:33:12 PM   
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It'll be refreshing to have someone with potential backing up Cousins for the very first time.

Siemian, Mannion, Browning, Stanley...Its a good thing Kirk never gets hurt...


Man that list is so so bad.

100% on props to Cousins on staying healthy.


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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 6:45:52 AM   
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Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 8:48:32 AM   
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Maybe a future top pick in the 6th round. I don't ever remember Browning being that highly regarded.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 9:18:08 AM   
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Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.


He was definitely a player in HS and then in his Sophomore season (43 TDs, 9 iNTs, sixth in the 2016 Heisman Trophy voting).

The shoulder injury late that year basically destroyed him. And since its been 5 years since the injury, it's hard to imagine him ever recovering from it.

Browning attended Folsom High School in Folsom, California. At Folsom, Browning had a 4.0 GPA, was active in clubs, and set numerous national and state records during his high school career. In 46 games, he completed 1,191 of 1,708 attempts for 16,775 yards and 229 touchdowns, all California records. The 229 touchdowns also broke the national record previously held by Maty Mauk who had 219. As a senior, he threw for a national-record 91 touchdown passes. He also passed for a California-record 5,790 yards, which broke his record from his junior year. Browning was the Gatorade Football Player of the Year during his junior and senior years.

Browning was rated as a four-star recruit by Rivals.com and was ranked as the third-best pro-style recruit in his class. He committed to the University of Washington to play college football.
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 9:31:50 AM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 9:52:54 AM   
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His Sophomore year was crazy good:

Sophomore
In his sophomore year, Browning performed on a much higher level, guiding UW to a 12–2 record, and the Huskies' first conference championship since 2000 He set a new record for touchdowns per attempt at 12.2%. On November 29, he was named Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year and first team all-Pac-12. Browning came in sixth in the 2016 Heisman Trophy voting, narrowly missing an invitation to attend the award ceremony in New York City. His sixth-place finish is the second-best Heisman voting finish in school history, behind only Steve Emtman who finished fourth.

Browning underwent shoulder surgery on his throwing arm a couple weeks after facing Alabama in the College Football Playoff. His injury was kept secret for nearly two months, and some commentators have speculated as to a connection between the injury and Browning's reduced performance in the latter portion of the season.

243/391 (62.1%), 3430 Yards, 43 TDs, 9 INTS. 167.5 Rating.

His completion % actually went up his Jr. and Sr, years, but I'd guess that's because he was only throwing short stuff.

Jr, 11 Games: 18 TDs, 5 INTs.
Sr, 14 Games: 16 TDs, 10 INTs.
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 10:18:10 AM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 10:24:33 AM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.


Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 10:31:32 AM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.


Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

There is also a difference between minor shoulder issues and a shoulder issue that requires surgery.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 10:35:41 AM   
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 11:07:17 AM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.


Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.


Oh, I'm certain there's no real comparison between me and any professional athlete. I'm extrapolating, perhaps absurdly. I learned to avoid certain motions and developed weird ways to compensate, like using my body to throw my arm up to reach above my shoulder. I only had to undo a few layers of that compensation to get normal-ish. I assume he has had many, many more layers of movements to re-learn to throw at an NFL level.

But with so many muscles in the shoulder, order matters, and to make the next bit of improvement, one challenge is to figure out which muscles need what type of work. (In retrospect, I needed to do something weird to make progress, because I'd done all the standard stuff.) I assume they're constantly trying to figure out which thing to improve next. It's a fantastically complicated rehab, and I doubt his college rehab was done with the comprehensiveness he's gotten in two years with Sugarman.

Probably won't get to his former potential, but who knows. Sugarman is really good. Maybe he's re-developed Browning's throwing motion to be a solid NFL backup, with more potential.

Or maybe it'll fizz.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 11:35:45 AM   
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Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.

Yep. Injury sapped some arm strength. Supposedly he has recovered it.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 11:37:11 AM   
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Maybe a future top pick in the 6th round. I don't ever remember Browning being that highly regarded.

Browning was the #1 prospect in the nation out of HS and set virtually every Pac 12 passing record. He was very highly regarded and before the injury was pretty much a lock to be a first round pick.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 11:38:22 AM   
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Wasn't Browning (at one point in college) considered to be a future top pick in the draft?

I know he got hurt and his arm strength must have never recovered while acquiring happy feet.


He was definitely a player in HS and then in his Sophomore season (43 TDs, 9 iNTs, sixth in the 2016 Heisman Trophy voting).

The shoulder injury late that year basically destroyed him. And since its been 5 years since the injury, it's hard to imagine him ever recovering from it.

Browning attended Folsom High School in Folsom, California. At Folsom, Browning had a 4.0 GPA, was active in clubs, and set numerous national and state records during his high school career. In 46 games, he completed 1,191 of 1,708 attempts for 16,775 yards and 229 touchdowns, all California records. The 229 touchdowns also broke the national record previously held by Maty Mauk who had 219. As a senior, he threw for a national-record 91 touchdown passes. He also passed for a California-record 5,790 yards, which broke his record from his junior year. Browning was the Gatorade Football Player of the Year during his junior and senior years.

Browning was rated as a four-star recruit by Rivals.com and was ranked as the third-best pro-style recruit in his class. He committed to the University of Washington to play college football.



I'd heard the #1 QB prospect in his class, but I'll take #3. 2 Time National Player of the year.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 11:50:01 AM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.


Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.


Oh, I'm certain there's no real comparison between me and any professional athlete. I'm extrapolating, perhaps absurdly. I learned to avoid certain motions and developed weird ways to compensate, like using my body to throw my arm up to reach above my shoulder. I only had to undo a few layers of that compensation to get normal-ish. I assume he has had many, many more layers of movements to re-learn to throw at an NFL level.

But with so many muscles in the shoulder, order matters, and to make the next bit of improvement, one challenge is to figure out which muscles need what type of work. (In retrospect, I needed to do something weird to make progress, because I'd done all the standard stuff.) I assume they're constantly trying to figure out which thing to improve next. It's a fantastically complicated rehab, and I doubt his college rehab was done with the comprehensiveness he's gotten in two years with Sugarman.

Probably won't get to his former potential, but who knows. Sugarman is really good. Maybe he's re-developed Browning's throwing motion to be a solid NFL backup, with more potential.

Or maybe it'll fizz.


And I'm fine with keeping him around a bit as an inactive 3rd QB to see if he can ever regain a viable NFL arm. But under no circumstance should he have been the #2 guy.
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 2:24:15 PM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.


Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.

There is also a difference between minor shoulder issues and a shoulder issue that requires surgery.

I remember reading a story about an outfielder who had resumed playing post-surgery and unloaded a throw accompanied by a heinous ripping/cracking/zipperish sound as well as an extreme sensation he assumed to be pain. Everyone heard the sound and his subsequent scream, but it turned out to be scar tissue tearing. His pain was not bad at all and he suddenly made a quantum leap in the strength, mobility, and flexibility of his shoulder. This was not right away but also not real long past his return to play. It was such an extreme, vivid scene that I've not only never forgotten it, I think about it every time I hear about an athlete rehabbing a shoulder. No idea who it was or whether it was exaggerated.
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 3:05:18 PM   
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Damn, what a shame. I didn't realize he was that good once upon a time. I feel bad for the kid. It was a good move by the Vikings to get him as an undrafted FA. If they could rehab him back to his old arm strength, they could have had something. Like David said, if it hasn't come back after five years, it's not likely to.


I've dealt with a minor shoulder issue for maybe 10 years. I've gotten it to "okay" multiple times, although some motions were weirdly weak. About 2 months ago, I started 4 exercises that finally strengthened the shoulder to where it feels solid (weird range-of-motion stuff in a pool). So I don't know. Likely it'll never be the same, sure. But that was true 5 years ago, and much of the challenge is figuring out which muscles can be strengthened next without unbalancing the shoulder. So I wouldn't give up on the possibility of making progress.


Maybe?

But I'd imagine there is a huge gulf between an average person feeling "right" and a pro athlete being able to make NFL caliber throws.

And it seems to go beyond just having a noodle arm. It seems to have psychologically affected every other aspect of his game.


Oh, I'm certain there's no real comparison between me and any professional athlete. I'm extrapolating, perhaps absurdly. I learned to avoid certain motions and developed weird ways to compensate, like using my body to throw my arm up to reach above my shoulder. I only had to undo a few layers of that compensation to get normal-ish. I assume he has had many, many more layers of movements to re-learn to throw at an NFL level.

But with so many muscles in the shoulder, order matters, and to make the next bit of improvement, one challenge is to figure out which muscles need what type of work. (In retrospect, I needed to do something weird to make progress, because I'd done all the standard stuff.) I assume they're constantly trying to figure out which thing to improve next. It's a fantastically complicated rehab, and I doubt his college rehab was done with the comprehensiveness he's gotten in two years with Sugarman.

Probably won't get to his former potential, but who knows. Sugarman is really good. Maybe he's re-developed Browning's throwing motion to be a solid NFL backup, with more potential.

Or maybe it'll fizz.


And I'm fine with keeping him around a bit as an inactive 3rd QB to see if he can ever regain a viable NFL arm. But under no circumstance should he have been the #2 guy.



To me it is as simple as this.

If Browning were any good, We would not have drafted Nate Stanley the next year or Kellen Mond this year.

We couldn't count on Sloter. Or Heinecke. Why should we count on this guy?

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 4:39:13 PM   
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From earlier: Every play is an adventure in terms of pump fakes, resets, scrambles, redirects--he's hectic.

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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 5:04:36 PM   
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Never liked the Stanley pick.


Every play is an adventure in terms of pump fakes, resets, scrambles, redirects--he's hectic.
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RE: How many games before Kellen Mond starts? - 6/15/2021 5:34:02 PM   
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So are the reports of Brownings noodly arm 2 years old, and not based on any current status? Or is it known to still be noodly. That's kind of a hypothetical, because I'm sure SOMEONE will know.

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