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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 9:47:44 AM

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Anybody noticing a change in the NFL playoff coaches? Young guys with a ton of game. The Zimmer types are on their way out. Andy Reid and Bill Belichick are soon going to be a dying breed.

The young guys are risk-takers. Cincinnati, Philadelphia, LA Chargers, LA Rams, Cardinals, Packers. The guys like Zimmer and Fangio will soon be a thing of the past.

The new world getting away from the good ol' boys. I'm ok with that ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 9:50:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Anybody noticing a change in the NFL playoff coaches? Young guys with a ton of game. The Zimmer types are on their way out. Andy Reid and Bill Belichick are soon going to be a dying breed.

The young guys are risk-takers. Cincinnati, Philadelphia, LA Chargers, LA Rams, Cardinals, Packers. The guys like Zimmer and Fangio will soon be a thing of the past.

The new world getting away from the good ol' boys. I'm ok with that ...

Gotta have a coach that the players can identify with. The old guys with fire and brimstone speeches are quickly becoming a thing of the past.

Guys like Pete Carroll, Andy Reid and Bruce Arians have remained relevant because they are players coaches, and can still play the part. Bill Belichick is an anomaly, and the exception to every rule.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 1/3/2022 9:52:30 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:00:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 1/3/2022 10:03:09 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:01:44 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Defense

Need two LBs. Plus Kendricks had one of his best statistical years but he will be 30 when the season starts. At best he will be a bridge to any future defensive rebuild.
Need two CBs with the presumption Dantzler will be a good starter.
Safety looks to be Smith with his high/never ending contract and a journeyman rental for the foreseeable future.
DE. Hunter is a questionmark, assume he returns, stays injury free, and plays well. A mixed bag on the other side.
DT. The two FAs suck, but they will be around next year. Maybe Watts breaks through.

So to have a cohesive defense that grows together, we need "to groom" 2 LB, 2 CB, 1 S, probably 1 DE, and 1 DT.

7 new starters, possibly more. No multiple first round picks on the horizon. Cap crunch.

Gonna need a miracle.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:02:02 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:04:13 AM

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Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

They gave up the fourth most points in the NFC. Define "turned around the defense".

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:04:19 AM

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Peter King:

I think it is so fitting that the Vikings season went up in flames Sunday thanks to a good man getting very bad advice about vaccines. (I don’t absolve Kirk Cousins of blame here, not at all, because he’s an educated person. But it’s still so hard to believe that an educated person with the fate of an NFL franchise on his shoulders would not do everything he could to not test positive and to stay available for his team.) Minnesota was walking on the edge of a cliff all season with Cousins’ willful decision to stay unvaccinated, and it’s sadly ironic that a positive Covid test finally prevented Cousins from playing a survival game against his arch-rivals in the penultimate game of the season.

Peter King is the uneducated one.

Vaxxed players(who test positive)have to sit 5 days also.

Also, earlier rules allowed vaxxed players to avoid testing and possibly spread the virus to compromised players like Dakota Dozier.

Science!!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:07:30 AM

Brad H

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Peter King:

I think it is so fitting that the Vikings season went up in flames Sunday thanks to a good man getting very bad advice about vaccines. (I don’t absolve Kirk Cousins of blame here, not at all, because he’s an educated person. But it’s still so hard to believe that an educated person with the fate of an NFL franchise on his shoulders would not do everything he could to not test positive and to stay available for his team.) Minnesota was walking on the edge of a cliff all season with Cousins’ willful decision to stay unvaccinated, and it’s sadly ironic that a positive Covid test finally prevented Cousins from playing a survival game against his arch-rivals in the penultimate game of the season.

Peter King is the uneducated one.

Vaxxed players(who test positive)have to sit 5 days also.

Also, earlier rules allowed vaxxed players to avoid testing and possibly spread the virus to compromised players like Dakota Dozier.

Science!!!

Yep, the key was testing positive on Monday or Tuesday. But the rules seem to be changing by the hour in recent weeks. The NFL has changed the rules so that high-profile players can make it back on the field. They could care less about the health and well-being of the players. With the rules at the beginning of the season, Cousins would have also been forced to sit this coming weekend because he was unvaccinated.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:11:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

Any talk of Cousins has to include his $45 million effect on the cap and the alternative use for that money.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:12:46 AM

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Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

They gave up the fourth most points in the NFC. Define "turned around the defense".

When he was first hired. Thought the list of players helped show that.

More like the D went from last to pretty damn good.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/3/2022 10:14:00 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:14:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

They gave up the fourth most points in the NFC. Define "turned around the defense".

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 1/3/2022 10:21:54 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:18:50 AM

Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

They gave up the fourth most points in the NFC. Define "turned around the defense".

When he was first hired. Thought the list of players helped show that.

More like the D went from last to pretty damn good.

In the past two seasons the defense has given up 26.2 points-per-game. They had a few years they were good when he first arrived. The last two have been a disaster.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:19:49 AM

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We need to talk to the steelers ASAP to see if there is any interest in Cousins. Even if we have to pay a healthy chunk of his salary.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:20:52 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

They gave up the fourth most points in the NFC. Define "turned around the defense".

When he was first hired. Thought the list of players helped show that.

More like the D went from last to pretty damn good.

In the past two seasons the defense has given up 26.2 points-per-game. They had a few years they were good when he first arrived. The last two have been a disaster.

You are glossing over the four seasons in between.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:23:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

Any talk of Cousins has to include his $45 million effect on the cap and the alternative use for that money.

Say the Vikings trade Cousins to a team like Pitt or San Fran, which is very possible. That frees up $35 million in cap space. Taking a quick look at PFF's outlook on free agency, in theory the Vikings could sign G Brandon Sherff for $16 mil, and C Ryan Jensen for $10 million, DT Akiem Hicks for 8mil, and QB Gardner Minshew for $1 mil.

Could the Vikings compete next year with someone like Doug Pederson at HC, and Minshew working behind a line of Darrisaw, Cleveland, Jensen, Sherff, O'Neill? And a Dline of Wonnum,Pierce,Hicks,Hunter? I think they could.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:27:41 AM

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Mike Zimmer likely to be first casualty as Vikings are blown out by Packers, eliminated from playoff contention

It was always a relationship born out of necessity, not love. Zimmer wanted a quarterback who could manage the game and complement the dominant defense he thought he’d always have. Enter Cousins. And Cousins wanted a destination with weapons on offense and a stout defense that wouldn’t require him to go win games on his own. Enter the Vikings, fresh off an appearance in the NFC Championship Game.

But now their shotgun marriage is on the verge of divorce. They’ve missed the playoffs in three of their four years together. It’s a coach-quarterback combination that hasn’t clicked. And now it’s not clear if either of them will survive the imminent changes that follow a combined 14-18 record the past two seasons.

Cousins’ status is a topic for another time. Same for general manager Rick Spielman, who used the team’s second pick in the 2021 draft on a quarterback to bolster the spot behind Cousins, only to watch Mond evidently struggle so much that the Vikings felt Mannion — who entered Sunday with zero touchdowns in 74 career pass attempts — was the better option in a must-win game. For now, we’ll simply acknowledge that no one’s job is safe after this mess.

That is undoubtedly the case for the head coach. It seems unlikely that the Vikings would fire Zimmer on Monday morning, likely preferring to let him finish this season. Besides, what’s the point of rushing to interview future coaching candidates until you know for sure who is in charge of hiring the next coach?

But as the Vikings left Green Bay, there was no hiding the questions now swirling around Zimmer’s status. His team hasn’t been over .500 in two years. Divisions seem to be sprouting up between him and the front office, evidenced by Zimmer’s quick dismissal of playing Mond in a now-meaningless home game against the Bears next week.

https://theathletic.com/3048103/2022/01/03/mike-zimmer-likely-to-be-first-casualty-as-vikings-are-blown-out-by-packers-eliminated-from-playoff-contention/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:28:26 AM

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Zimmer hasn't been fired yet?

What are they waiting for? What could they possibly be discussing?

Why?

Is it going to change things to see Andre Patterson coach a meaningless game?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:31:28 AM

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Zimmer turned the D around although the cupboard was better stocked: Griffen, Joseph, Barr (R), Rhodes, Smith.

Rhodes > Dantzler
Hunter > Griffen?
Joseph > Pierce
Young Smith > Old Smith

They gave up the fourth most points in the NFC. Define "turned around the defense".

When he was first hired. Thought the list of players helped show that.

More like the D went from last to pretty damn good.

In the past two seasons the defense has given up 26.2 points-per-game. They had a few years they were good when he first arrived. The last two have been a disaster.

Yeah no shit. Sorry, my premise is the D has almost bottomed out and we have come full circle with the Zimmer era.

And the replacement will not have much to work with.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:35:22 AM

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Cousins will ultimately be looked at like Herschel Walker was. The player to get them over the hump. Lots of resources. The picks for Walker were of course obscene, but the first ever fully guaranteed Cousins contract and extension will be the modern day equivalent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:41:35 AM

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Cousins will ultimately be looked at like Herschel Walker was. The player to get them over the hump. Lots of resources. The picks for Walker were of course obscene, but the first ever fully guaranteed Cousins contract and extension will be the modern day equivalent.

For me, much more ex post mental anguish with the Herschel trade.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 10:57:07 AM 2 votes

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If you are going to go all in to try to win it all, The same old same old shit they pulled this year wasn't going to work.

It started in Free Agency where they only added Defense. They desperately needed interior O Linemen and were dumping their best Olineman as well. There were good Olinemen available and we pursued none. They grabbed up some real "contributors" on defense. Peterson wasn't bad when he wasn't hurt. But Tomilinson, Breeland, were not good pickups. Then it moved on to the draft. In a year they should have flipped the script and moved UP as much as they could (and they had the draft capital to do it) they once again traded down to amass more mid level picks.

Coaching - when they wanted to compete for a Superbowl/playoffs etc. they decided the best guy to replace their retiring OC was the OC's son, a guy with zero experience and clearly no clue what he was doing. I have one more game to watch and if I see one more dump pass on third and long I am going to blow a major gasket. When the coach doesn't allow any kind of real risk and pushes the high percentage passes (this was not new this year, Bradford had a high completion percentage when he played here as well) and fears taking shots....well you're doomed to failure. When Joe Schmo sitting on his couch can predict the next sequence of plays accurately, then you are not running what will be an effective offense. Then there's the whole giving up points within two minutes of a half or at the end of a game. Going into absurdly soft "prevent" style defense is a terrible idea. We lost games because of it. We barely survived a few others as well. Against Goff a guy who wilts under pressure you send NO pressure on the game winning drive. How ****ing dumb ar you?

This is a poorly coached and constructed team. Cousins was a mistake that I think we are stuck with through next year. But there is no reason you can't bring in some real competition for his job. Instead we draft the completely unready Mond and bring in the never will be ready Mannion to back him up.

Speilman and Zimmer both need to go.

Belichick is famous for getting rid of guys a year before they go bad. We wait until they really suck and then sign them to extensions. Why not move on from declining good players and build from there?

This team has been painful to watch this year. I have gone hoarse yelling at the TV, It's exhausting. It isn't for good stuff. It's always about the stupid predictable ass playcalling. When we needed a long ssustained drive to ice a game, we get three an out. When we need to keep the pedal to the medal we let up. When we need our best game we get garbage. When we should dominate we barely eke out a win or worse Lose. We look discombobulated even in our wins. This team is bad. Worse then the record indicates.

It's time to blow it up.

Start wiring the fuse Zygi. You need to detonate that shit exactly 3 seconds after we lose to the Bears on Sunday. If you haven't pulled that trigger by 4pm on that day, YOU are the problem. for sticking with the shitstains you stuck with for so long.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 11:01:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

I would be ok with wicked smart and aggressive ... passes short of the sticks & playing off 10 yards on 3rd downs is beginning to feel like a waste of time

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 11:18:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

I would be ok with wicked smart and aggressive ... passes short of the sticks & playing off 10 yards on 3rd downs is beginning to feel like a waste of time

There was a play last night where Rodgers had all day to throw, dumped off to Jones. Jones fell down catching it, fell down again trying to get up, then got up and gained eight yards. Rodgers had all day because we dropped everyone into coverage so there was no pressure. Yet with seven guys in coverage we still didn't have a single defender within 20 yards of Aaron Jones? We are a dumb team folks. I take that back. We're worse than dumb. We're DUM. We're so DUM that we don't even deserve to have the 'b' at the end of the word. DUM. DUM. DUM. So incredibly DUM.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 11:30:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

Any talk of Cousins has to include his $45 million effect on the cap and the alternative use for that money.

I don't see a lot of trimming that can be done up front to create cap during phase 1 and 2 of FA ... that depends entirely on moving on from Cousins and getting anything in return / how much of the 45M we have to put up to move him, etc ...

Some in here think Cousins has a market ... I'll believe it when I see it.

Just cutting KC for nothing gets you nothing - UNLESS you draft a potential starting QB at #1 this year ... in that situation, no Cousins and no cap relief at least allows you to start developing #1 in 2022. Cutting Cousins without drafting a highly touted QB gets you no cap relief and one year of a Mannion type QB or experience for your future second string QB (if you're lucky) Mond. And then 2023 is for finding a potential starter ...

If it were my money ... and I have no idea what QBs are looking draftable ... AND I COULD move Cousins, I would put an emphasis on using him towards improving draft position over cap relief or Minshew vs Garoppolo etc. ...

but, again, I don't think Cousins will have a market.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/3/2022 11:36:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Their failures are complete.

Zimmer, Spielman, and Cousins has to go.

We can go from sour to a breath of fresh air by simply doing the right thing.

I'm in for Cousins for one more year ... unless we have someone as good - not a project

Rodgers?

I don't agree with it but I understand the sentiment. One year of good arm but limited cieling is better than one year of limited arm and limited cieling.

Last night should remind us all about the pain of, not just ineffective journeyman QB play but also young not-ready-yet QB play ... and the infuriating dumbed down playcalling that goes with it.

Even so, Cousins has been a bazillion dollar bandaid, not the ointment that heals the wound. We need ointment.

I'm just so sick of seeing an obsessive minimize-your-risk HC and QB ... I don't care how young they are, what philosophy they practice ... I just want the new ones to be wicked smart and aggressive.

Please.

I would be ok with wicked smart and aggressive ... passes short of the sticks & playing off 10 yards on 3rd downs is beginning to feel like a waste of time

There was a play last night where Rodgers had all day to throw, dumped off to Jones. Jones fell down catching it, fell down again trying to get up, then got up and gained eight yards. Rodgers had all day because we dropped everyone into coverage so there was no pressure. Yet with seven guys in coverage we still didn't have a single defender within 20 yards of Aaron Jones? We are a dumb team folks. I take that back. We're worse than dumb. We're DUM. We're so DUM that we don't even deserve to have the 'b' at the end of the word. DUM. DUM. DUM. So incredibly DUM.

LOL. I also, probably all of us in here did, see that as the perfect example of why our perception of Zimmer is different from people like idiot Chris 'if they do get a new coach he won't be as good as Zim' Collingsworth.

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