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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Does Zimmer want to see Mond play next week?
Zimmer: “Not particularly.”
Why not?
Zimmer: “I see him everyday


We can fix that.

Smug and blunt doesn't play when you're a ****ing loser.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Can we stop talking about playoffs and how minion gives us the best chance, now?

He… fking.. sucks…

The guy was stuck in an unwinnable situation. The play-calling was abysmal. He had two weapons on the field. The running game was nonexistent.

I have no animosity for Mannion. He was the sacrificial lamb.

Mannion kind of reminded me of those old timers who throw batting practice in MLB. Nice long windup and then throw the meatball.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

Trade Cousins and Cook...free up as much cap space as possible post 2022.

Draft a rookie QB if one is available...or find a vet and suck for a year, getting the rookie QB next year.

Finish 3-14. Load up on draft picks in 2023 and beyond.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Feels like this franchise may be at an inflection point going into next season.

This is 2021, NFL is a different league than in the 80's. It a league of mediocrity. Because of FA and salary cap most all teams have some glaring weaknesses. The one's that don't probably had a couple drafts in a row where they killed it.

This team has some pieces, but also has some massive holes, where we are probably bottom of the league in production (CB, C, RG, DE w/o Hunter namely).
Unless they decide to resign a 32 year old P2, the only viable CB we have going into next year is Dantzler
Hunter is a wild card, coming off 2 major surgeries. He's a freak but those injuries take a toll. You're looking at guys like Wonnum (who just get's destroyed vs the run) and Jones. This could be real problem.

We are projected to be well over the cap, and unfortunately the last couple drafts have left the young talent a bit barren. How do you bridge that gap?

Something seems off about Zimmer and Spielman's relationship. Zimmer has sounded like a guy who does not want to be around, for awhile now (IMO)., maybe it's just the wear and tear of the job, but is a completely different guy than we saw a few years ago. He thinks he's Bellicek now without the resume.


Is there enough talent to do a "soft" rebuild where you compete for a W/C spot next year or in 2 years, probably, but I think the Wilf's need to do a complete evaluation/audit of the organization. I suspect they may even need to let a couple guys go, high prices vets, some may even consider pro-bowl caliber players.

For example, is Dalvin Cook really worth the money? Sure he's probably a top 5 RB, but would you rather spend that money on 2 very good O lineman G/RG. Or top money on a very good RB who has no holes to run through. I'm not saying that's the move but I think that's the kind of evaluation/audit this team needs to do.

Zimmer is a terrible in game coach. Too many mistakes that have cost the team games.

If this team is not careful, and they don't do things right, we could be in for a complete rebuild soon, and then you run the risk of being a Jet or Jaguar team for a decade trying to figure things out. Those teams are probably just more bad management, but there is always that possibility.

Needless to say, the Cousins dilemma too. The guy is probably a top 8 arm talent, but lacks the mobility and intangibles oh so important for a QB. At times, he can make eye popping throws, but also has times where is looks much more like a league average QB, missing open guys, not reading the field, getting skittish when it's not there.

I think you have to get rid of Spielman first. He built. He thought Cousins would be the final piece, he traded away draft picks for veterans (one traded the same year), his drafts. he made decisions to trade Hughes and Weatherly.
We need a fresh set of eyes to look at it, and figure out how navigate through this period.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Zimmer has to go.. he has to..

8 years is enough..

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

My only milisecond of joy last night was seeing Bradbury catching the ball and tearing through defenders.

Made me (briefly) fantasize about fielding Smith, Conklin, and Garrett 'Morgansasser' Bradbury as our TE group next year.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Zimmer has to go.. he has to..

8 years is enough..

Zimmer is 19 - 46 against teams with a winning record. Cousins is 9 - 41.

Incredible.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Feels like this franchise may be at an inflection point going into next season.

This is 2021, NFL is a different league than in the 80's. It a league of mediocrity. Because of FA and salary cap most all teams have some glaring weaknesses. The one's that don't probably had a couple drafts in a row where they killed it.

This team has some pieces, but also has some massive holes, where we are probably bottom of the league in production (CB, C, RG, DE w/o Hunter namely).
Unless they decide to resign a 32 year old P2, the only viable CB we have going into next year is Dantzler
Hunter is a wild card, coming off 2 major surgeries. He's a freak but those injuries take a toll. You're looking at guys like Wonnum (who just get's destroyed vs the run) and Jones. This could be real problem.

We are projected to be well over the cap, and unfortunately the last couple drafts have left the young talent a bit barren. How do you bridge that gap?

Something seems off about Zimmer and Spielman's relationship. Zimmer has sounded like a guy who does not want to be around, for awhile now (IMO)., maybe it's just the wear and tear of the job, but is a completely different guy than we saw a few years ago. He thinks he's Bellicek now without the resume.


Is there enough talent to do a "soft" rebuild where you compete for a W/C spot next year or in 2 years, probably, but I think the Wilf's need to do a complete evaluation/audit of the organization. I suspect they may even need to let a couple guys go, high prices vets, some may even consider pro-bowl caliber players.

For example, is Dalvin Cook really worth the money? Sure he's probably a top 5 RB, but would you rather spend that money on 2 very good O lineman G/RG. Or top money on a very good RB who has no holes to run through. I'm not saying that's the move but I think that's the kind of evaluation/audit this team needs to do.

Zimmer is a terrible in game coach. Too many mistakes that have cost the team games.

If this team is not careful, and they don't do things right, we could be in for a complete rebuild soon, and then you run the risk of being a Jet or Jaguar team for a decade trying to figure things out. Those teams are probably just more bad management, but there is always that possibility.

Needless to say, the Cousins dilemma too. The guy is probably a top 8 arm talent, but lacks the mobility and intangibles oh so important for a QB. At times, he can make eye popping throws, but also has times where is looks much more like a league average QB, missing open guys, not reading the field, getting skittish when it's not there.

I think you have to get rid of Spielman first. He built. He thought Cousins would be the final piece, he traded away draft picks for veterans (one traded the same year), his drafts. he made decisions to trade Hughes and Weatherly.
We need a fresh set of eyes to look at it, and figure out how navigate through this period.

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Solid post. In particular, I like the take on Dalvin Cook. I've been saying for 12 years that running back is the easiest position on the field to replace. It happens all over the league. Guy gets hurt, replacement doesn't miss a beat. Hell, Rashad Penny has been one of the best backs in the league over the past four weeks.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Feels like this franchise may be at an inflection point going into next season.

This is 2021, NFL is a different league than in the 80's. It a league of mediocrity. Because of FA and salary cap most all teams have some glaring weaknesses. The one's that don't probably had a couple drafts in a row where they killed it.

This team has some pieces, but also has some massive holes, where we are probably bottom of the league in production (CB, C, RG, DE w/o Hunter namely).
Unless they decide to resign a 32 year old P2, the only viable CB we have going into next year is Dantzler
Hunter is a wild card, coming off 2 major surgeries. He's a freak but those injuries take a toll. You're looking at guys like Wonnum (who just get's destroyed vs the run) and Jones. This could be real problem.

We are projected to be well over the cap, and unfortunately the last couple drafts have left the young talent a bit barren. How do you bridge that gap?

Something seems off about Zimmer and Spielman's relationship. Zimmer has sounded like a guy who does not want to be around, for awhile now (IMO)., maybe it's just the wear and tear of the job, but is a completely different guy than we saw a few years ago. He thinks he's Bellicek now without the resume.


Is there enough talent to do a "soft" rebuild where you compete for a W/C spot next year or in 2 years, probably, but I think the Wilf's need to do a complete evaluation/audit of the organization. I suspect they may even need to let a couple guys go, high prices vets, some may even consider pro-bowl caliber players.

For example, is Dalvin Cook really worth the money? Sure he's probably a top 5 RB, but would you rather spend that money on 2 very good O lineman G/RG. Or top money on a very good RB who has no holes to run through. I'm not saying that's the move but I think that's the kind of evaluation/audit this team needs to do.

Zimmer is a terrible in game coach. Too many mistakes that have cost the team games.

If this team is not careful, and they don't do things right, we could be in for a complete rebuild soon, and then you run the risk of being a Jet or Jaguar team for a decade trying to figure things out. Those teams are probably just more bad management, but there is always that possibility.

Needless to say, the Cousins dilemma too. The guy is probably a top 8 arm talent, but lacks the mobility and intangibles oh so important for a QB. At times, he can make eye popping throws, but also has times where is looks much more like a league average QB, missing open guys, not reading the field, getting skittish when it's not there.

I think you have to get rid of Spielman first. He built. He thought Cousins would be the final piece, he traded away draft picks for veterans (one traded the same year), his drafts. he made decisions to trade Hughes and Weatherly.
We need a fresh set of eyes to look at it, and figure out how navigate through this period.

This team will have some serious weapons on offense again next year - Thielen, Jefferson, Osborn, Cook, Conklin, Smith plus 3/5ths of an offensive line. In today's NFL, a team with a great offense can overcome the fact that it has a poor defense. Add a G, a C and replace Cousins with a QB who can actually lead and the team can compete next year. Assuming there's a new HC in place.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Solid post. In particular, I like the take on Dalvin Cook. I've been saying for 12 years that running back is the easiest position on the field to replace. It happens all over the league. Guy gets hurt, replacement doesn't miss a beat. Hell, Rashad Penny has been one of the best backs in the league over the past four weeks.

OMG take a look at the top 3 rushers by week:

Week 17 so far - Rashaad Penny, D'Onta Foreman, Elijah Mitchell

Week 16 - Rex Burkhead, Rashaad Penny, Sony Michel

Week 15 - Jonathan Taylor, Miles Sanders, Craig Reynolds

Week 14 - Dalvin Cook, Rashaad Penny, Alvin Kamara

Week 13 - Jonathan Taylor, Sony Michel, Miles Sanders

Week 12 - Joe Mixon, Elijah Mitchell, Dontrell Hilliard

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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Solid post. In particular, I like the take on Dalvin Cook. I've been saying for 12 years that running back is the easiest position on the field to replace. It happens all over the league. Guy gets hurt, replacement doesn't miss a beat. Hell, Rashad Penny has been one of the best backs in the league over the past four weeks.

OMG take a look at the top 3 rushers by week:

Week 17 so far - Rashaad Penny, D'Onta Foreman, Elijah Mitchell

Week 16 - Rex Burkhead, Rashaad Penny, Sony Michel

Week 15 - Jonathan Taylor, Miles Sanders, Craig Reynolds

Week 14 - Dalvin Cook, Rashaad Penny, Alvin Kamara

Week 13 - Jonathan Taylor, Sony Michel, Miles Sanders

Week 12 - Joe Mixon, Elijah Mitchell, Dontrell Hilliard

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ORIGINAL: bgdavis

I'm curious to see how the Wilf's will approach hiring a new GM since they've been tied so closely with Spielman during their years of ownership. (Wilf's bought the team and 2005, and hired Spielman as GM in 2006.) Considering how bad things look now, the blame for how they ended up here through a combination bad drafts, ignoring OL, questionable extensions and FA signings seems to fall squarely on Spielman's shoulders. Where will they look to find a new GM, and how likely will they be to find a competent candidate?

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Feels like this franchise may be at an inflection point going into next season.

This is 2021, NFL is a different league than in the 80's. It a league of mediocrity. Because of FA and salary cap most all teams have some glaring weaknesses. The one's that don't probably had a couple drafts in a row where they killed it.

This team has some pieces, but also has some massive holes, where we are probably bottom of the league in production (CB, C, RG, DE w/o Hunter namely).
Unless they decide to resign a 32 year old P2, the only viable CB we have going into next year is Dantzler
Hunter is a wild card, coming off 2 major surgeries. He's a freak but those injuries take a toll. You're looking at guys like Wonnum (who just get's destroyed vs the run) and Jones. This could be real problem.

We are projected to be well over the cap, and unfortunately the last couple drafts have left the young talent a bit barren. How do you bridge that gap?

Something seems off about Zimmer and Spielman's relationship. Zimmer has sounded like a guy who does not want to be around, for awhile now (IMO)., maybe it's just the wear and tear of the job, but is a completely different guy than we saw a few years ago. He thinks he's Bellicek now without the resume.


Is there enough talent to do a "soft" rebuild where you compete for a W/C spot next year or in 2 years, probably, but I think the Wilf's need to do a complete evaluation/audit of the organization. I suspect they may even need to let a couple guys go, high prices vets, some may even consider pro-bowl caliber players.

For example, is Dalvin Cook really worth the money? Sure he's probably a top 5 RB, but would you rather spend that money on 2 very good O lineman G/RG. Or top money on a very good RB who has no holes to run through. I'm not saying that's the move but I think that's the kind of evaluation/audit this team needs to do.

Zimmer is a terrible in game coach. Too many mistakes that have cost the team games.

If this team is not careful, and they don't do things right, we could be in for a complete rebuild soon, and then you run the risk of being a Jet or Jaguar team for a decade trying to figure things out. Those teams are probably just more bad management, but there is always that possibility.

Needless to say, the Cousins dilemma too. The guy is probably a top 8 arm talent, but lacks the mobility and intangibles oh so important for a QB. At times, he can make eye popping throws, but also has times where is looks much more like a league average QB, missing open guys, not reading the field, getting skittish when it's not there.

I think you have to get rid of Spielman first. He built. He thought Cousins would be the final piece, he traded away draft picks for veterans (one traded the same year), his drafts. he made decisions to trade Hughes and Weatherly.
We need a fresh set of eyes to look at it, and figure out how navigate through this period.

This team will have some serious weapons on offense again next year - Thielen, Jefferson, Osborn, Cook, Conklin, Smith plus 3/5ths of an offensive line. In today's NFL, a team with a great offense can overcome the fact that it has a poor defense. Add a G, a C and replace Cousins with a QB who can actually lead and the team can compete next year. Assuming there's a new HC in place.

I love Adam Thielen, but he will be 32 next year, he's missed 4 games per year the last 3. His yds per target has declined for 5 years now.

He's set to count 12 mil vs the cap next year. Is that really worth it? I think it's naive at this point to assume he'll stay healthy for an entire year. The can't look at things in a silo. I want them to look at everything and everybody.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Logic says to rebuild, but I think the same cast with 2 changes, is a Super Bowl contender.

Replace Zimmer with a HC that has won a SB: Doug Pederson

Replace Cousins, either with a QB that has won a SB, Russell Wilson, or one that is talented and mobile: Deshaun Watson.

Then draft a CB or WR in the 1st round, and draft QBOTF in the 1st round of 2023 draft.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Feels like this franchise may be at an inflection point going into next season.

This is 2021, NFL is a different league than in the 80's. It a league of mediocrity. Because of FA and salary cap most all teams have some glaring weaknesses. The one's that don't probably had a couple drafts in a row where they killed it.

This team has some pieces, but also has some massive holes, where we are probably bottom of the league in production (CB, C, RG, DE w/o Hunter namely).
Unless they decide to resign a 32 year old P2, the only viable CB we have going into next year is Dantzler
Hunter is a wild card, coming off 2 major surgeries. He's a freak but those injuries take a toll. You're looking at guys like Wonnum (who just get's destroyed vs the run) and Jones. This could be real problem.

We are projected to be well over the cap, and unfortunately the last couple drafts have left the young talent a bit barren. How do you bridge that gap?

Something seems off about Zimmer and Spielman's relationship. Zimmer has sounded like a guy who does not want to be around, for awhile now (IMO)., maybe it's just the wear and tear of the job, but is a completely different guy than we saw a few years ago. He thinks he's Bellicek now without the resume.


Is there enough talent to do a "soft" rebuild where you compete for a W/C spot next year or in 2 years, probably, but I think the Wilf's need to do a complete evaluation/audit of the organization. I suspect they may even need to let a couple guys go, high prices vets, some may even consider pro-bowl caliber players.

For example, is Dalvin Cook really worth the money? Sure he's probably a top 5 RB, but would you rather spend that money on 2 very good O lineman G/RG. Or top money on a very good RB who has no holes to run through. I'm not saying that's the move but I think that's the kind of evaluation/audit this team needs to do.

Zimmer is a terrible in game coach. Too many mistakes that have cost the team games.

If this team is not careful, and they don't do things right, we could be in for a complete rebuild soon, and then you run the risk of being a Jet or Jaguar team for a decade trying to figure things out. Those teams are probably just more bad management, but there is always that possibility.

Needless to say, the Cousins dilemma too. The guy is probably a top 8 arm talent, but lacks the mobility and intangibles oh so important for a QB. At times, he can make eye popping throws, but also has times where is looks much more like a league average QB, missing open guys, not reading the field, getting skittish when it's not there.

I think you have to get rid of Spielman first. He built. He thought Cousins would be the final piece, he traded away draft picks for veterans (one traded the same year), his drafts. he made decisions to trade Hughes and Weatherly.
We need a fresh set of eyes to look at it, and figure out how navigate through this period.

Solid post. In particular, I like the take on Dalvin Cook. I've been saying for 12 years that running back is the easiest position on the field to replace. It happens all over the league. Guy gets hurt, replacement doesn't miss a beat. Hell, Rashaad Penny has been one of the best backs in the league over the past four weeks (481 yards, five TD's, 7 yards-per-carry).