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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/23/2022 9:00:28 PM   
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“ who hired this Ex- Vikings coach for DC?”….

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/23/2022 9:14:38 PM   
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F'ing Kirk Cousins looks like dog meat compared to KC and Buff QB play...

Young mobile QB that can think on the fly and has a incredible drive and HEART to win...

KFC, I just do what I am told...

BE GONE YOU POS waste of huge cap space... we made you beyond rich for you shitty play and waste of seasons of the talent around you...


While I agree somewhat with your sentiment...

Finding the the next Mahomes/Allen is not exactly an easy task... these guys look like generational talents... amazing duel tonight.

25 points scored in the final 2 min (i think)

Game for the ages.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/23/2022 9:15:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

F'ing Kirk Cousins looks like dog meat compared to KC and Buff QB play...

Young mobile QB that can think on the fly and has a incredible drive and HEART to win...

KFC, I just do what I am told...

BE GONE YOU POS waste of huge cap space... we made you beyond rich for you shitty play and waste of seasons of the talent around you...

So just make sure you have one of the best QBs in the league and you're better off. Hot take!!!!!!

Should you have really good receivers, too? Seems risky.

What about a good defense? I mean, surely you don't want one of the best defenses, do you?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/23/2022 9:20:27 PM   
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SAD really...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/23/2022 11:47:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

You guys so much fear another Ponder that you will accept the pile of shit we get from KFC...

SAD really...

Who's accepting Kirk?

Psssstttt: Everyone knows it's better to have a great QB than a mediocre QB. Some of us even know that it's probably better to have a horrible QB than a mediocre QB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 4:46:40 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 4:47:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: HL OSWALD

You guys so much fear another Ponder that you will accept the pile of shit we get from KFC...

SAD really...

Who's accepting Kirk?

Psssstttt: Everyone knows it's better to have a great QB than a mediocre QB. Some of us even know that it's probably better to have a horrible QB than a mediocre QB.

Gets old ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 7:45:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of bitching today about he OT rules - gee, how do you think we felt when a 3 could beat you on the first drive?

The game never had to go to OT. Buffalo had some coaching blunders in the final 15 seconds of the game. They should have never kicked the ball into the end zone. If they kick it into the field of play, inevitably, a minimum of 4-5 seconds would have run off the clock with a runback. Even if the guy runs it back to the 40 yard line there would only be a max of about 6-7 seconds left.

Then, when KC had the ball at the 47 with eight seconds left, they should have just tackled all of the receivers five yards downfield before they could even go out for a pass. At a minimum it would take 4-5 seconds to run the play and pass interference is a spot foul, which would have given KC the ball just past the 50 with 2-3 seconds remaining on the clock.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 7:52:05 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 7:58:14 AM   
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Fraziers prevent defense is worse than Zimmers.

Frazier's defense was great all season. McDermott set him up for failure by kicking the ball into the end zone. Gave KC an extra play.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:00:06 AM   
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Fraziers prevent defense is worse than Zimmers.


After the game Frazier said they would have to look at the tape and see what went wrong.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:13:47 AM   
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However, if one wanted to he could fair catch it or down it at the spot - not that they had a second to spare
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:14:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Fraziers prevent defense is worse than Zimmers.


After the game Frazier said they would have to look at the tape and see what went wrong.

Super disappointed the Bills lost but the Chief’s QB TE WR combination simply dialed in to another level. More than anything to do with the defense or Frazier … although both defenses were gassed by the end which made the Offenses look even more insane.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:16:41 AM   
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A #1 defense that let a team go 44 yards in 10 seconds. It should never happen. Period.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:21:18 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:50:18 AM   
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I agree that the defense was done no favors from kicking through the EZ for TB but what you did all year doesn't matter if you fail the final test.

A #1 defense that let a team go 44 yards in 10 seconds. It should never happen. Period.

It's football in 2022. It happens every week. Which is why we need a quarterback that can do the same thing. Football has become a video game, and we have the BETA version playing quarterback.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:57:45 AM   
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Not just converting with their leg...the QB's last night were other wordly stepping out of danger. So many plays would have died If Cousins faced that pressure. Probably all of them.


Yep. There are various offshoots, but the Russel Wilson model was a harbinger of the new era of QB. Mahomes is the epitome of it now. IMO Allen still runs too much (hence, more susceptible to injury) and Lamar Jackson even more so.

Escapability, being a threat to run, and a few designed runs a game offer a good mix. Having that so-called 'extra guy' out there stresses the D every play.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 9:58:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I agree that the defense was done no favors from kicking through the EZ for TB but what you did all year doesn't matter if you fail the final test.

A #1 defense that let a team go 44 yards in 10 seconds. It should never happen. Period.

It's football in 2022. It happens every week. Which is why we need a quarterback that can do the same thing. Football has become a video game, and we have the BETA version playing quarterback.

Get real. What you are saying is we should draft another Brady with our 5th rd. pick this year. Sure ... why not.

That was a game for the ages.

The last two minutes were a perfect storm of scheme, playcall, execution, personnel, and luck.

The Chiefs and Bills are in disbelief this morning.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:06:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I agree that the defense was done no favors from kicking through the EZ for TB but what you did all year doesn't matter if you fail the final test.

A #1 defense that let a team go 44 yards in 10 seconds. It should never happen. Period.

It's football in 2022. It happens every week. Which is why we need a quarterback that can do the same thing. Football has become a video game, and we have the BETA version playing quarterback.

Get real. What you are saying is we should draft another Brady with our 5th rd. pick this year. Sure ... why not.

That was a game for the ages.

The last two minutes were a perfect storm of scheme, playcall, execution, personnel, and luck.

The Chiefs and Bills are in disbelief this morning.

We were the worst two-minute team in football this year. Our defense gave up something like 138 points while our offense scored a fraction of that. You have be able to control the clock to guard against the other team having time to get down the field, and at the same time be able to score yourself. We were flat out terrible at it the past two years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:08:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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Fraziers prevent defense is worse than Zimmers.

Frazier's defense was great all season. McDermott set him up for failure by kicking the ball into the end zone. Gave KC an extra play.


Kicking into the endzone should have been no problem and it avoided the chance of a long return which in theory should have been the only threat to lose the game. The big problem was that prevent defense that had defenders defending an area of the field SO DEEP from the LOS that a KC receiver would have slid down prior to even getting there. KC DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SECONDS TO REACH THE ENDZONE SO WHY WAS BUFFALO DEFENDING IT?

A simple cover 2 with a dime package was all Buffalo needed to clinch the game but instead they defended the deep ball and let KC succeed with two plays underneath that gained a grotesque amount of yards.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:12:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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Fraziers prevent defense is worse than Zimmers.

Frazier's defense was great all season. McDermott set him up for failure by kicking the ball into the end zone. Gave KC an extra play.


Kicking into the endzone should have been no problem and it avoided the chance of a long return which in theory should have been the only threat to lose the game. The big problem was that prevent defense that had defenders defending an area of the field SO DEEP from the LOS that a KC receiver would have slid down prior to even getting there. KC DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH SECONDS TO REACH THE ENDZONE SO WHY WAS BUFFALO DEFENDING IT?

A simple cover 2 with a dime package was all Buffalo needed to clinch the game but instead they defended the deep ball and let KC succeed with two plays underneath that gained a grotesque amount of yards.

There was 13 seconds left. If a team returns it for a TD you tip your cap and say congratulations. If they have a normal return to the 25-30 yard line, there would have only been 6-7 seconds left on the clock, max.

I agree the coverage and defensive scheme were bad. But KC would have only had time to run one play had the coach not kicked it into the end zone.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 1/24/2022 10:13:24 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:12:27 AM   
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Not just converting with their leg...the QB's last night were other wordly stepping out of danger. So many plays would have died If Cousins faced that pressure. Probably all of them.

Stepping out of the pocket for these QBs is an instant advantage ...

a chance to attack from another angle ...

For Cousins, its trying not to make a bad situation worse.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:21:39 AM   
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The way these games all went down showed me how far the Vikes have to go to be a real contended in 2022+....it's a ways....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:24:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I agree that the defense was done no favors from kicking through the EZ for TB but what you did all year doesn't matter if you fail the final test.

A #1 defense that let a team go 44 yards in 10 seconds. It should never happen. Period.

It's football in 2022. It happens every week. Which is why we need a quarterback that can do the same thing. Football has become a video game, and we have the BETA version playing quarterback.

Get real. What you are saying is we should draft another Brady with our 5th rd. pick this year. Sure ... why not.

That was a game for the ages.

The last two minutes were a perfect storm of scheme, playcall, execution, personnel, and luck.

The Chiefs and Bills are in disbelief this morning.

We were the worst two-minute team in football this year. Our defense gave up something like 138 points while our offense scored a fraction of that. You have be able to control the clock to guard against the other team having time to get down the field, and at the same time be able to score yourself. We were flat out terrible at it the past two years.

Your two minute gig is like your Big Lie ... repeat it over and over, someone might listen. It started as a simple Cousins rant and now has morphed into chewy bubble gum, adaptable to any argument.

Our team this year doesn't even play the same sport as the the two teams that played last night. Non-relatable.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/24/2022 10:27:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I agree that the defense was done no favors from kicking through the EZ for TB but what you did all year doesn't matter if you fail the final test.

A #1 defense that let a team go 44 yards in 10 seconds. It should never happen. Period.

It's football in 2022. It happens every week. Which is why we need a quarterback that can do the same thing. Football has become a video game, and we have the BETA version playing quarterback.

Get real. What you are saying is we should draft another Brady with our 5th rd. pick this year. Sure ... why not.

That was a game for the ages.

The last two minutes were a perfect storm of scheme, playcall, execution, personnel, and luck.

The Chiefs and Bills are in disbelief this morning.

We were the worst two-minute team in football this year. Our defense gave up something like 138 points while our offense scored a fraction of that. You have be able to control the clock to guard against the other team having time to get down the field, and at the same time be able to score yourself. We were flat out terrible at it the past two years.

Your two minute gig is like your Big Lie ... repeat it over and over, someone might listen. It started as a simple Cousins rant and now has morphed into chewy bubble gum, adaptable to any argument.

Our team this year doesn't even play the same sport as the the two teams that played last night. Non-relatable.

Isn't that kind of what I'm saying?

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