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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 7:52:31 PM

Ricky J

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I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 7:52:54 PM

David Levine

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"Gave him three things to chew on a couple of posts above.

He's best off going back to not following the NFL."

Ok so he's been in Cleveland 9 years according to what I heard today. Last 9 seasons 44-67-1, including a zero win season in 2017.

Geez, your math isn't right either. 44-67-1 is about 32 games short of 9 seasons.

Who knows, maybe they played 12.4 game seasons. I don't follow the NFL much.

You don't remember the strike that wiped out the 2017 and 2018 seasons?

You need to follow the NFL more closely.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 7:53:36 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

I think you have a very good chance of getting your wish.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 7:56:18 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

I think you have a very good chance of getting your wish.

I'm in!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 7:58:38 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: timz

"Gave him three things to chew on a couple of posts above.

He's best off going back to not following the NFL."

Ok so he's been in Cleveland 9 years according to what I heard today. Last 9 seasons 44-67-1, including a zero win season in 2017.

Geez, your math isn't right either. 44-67-1 is about 32 games short of 9 seasons.

Who knows, maybe they played 12.4 game seasons. I don't follow the NFL much.

You don't remember the strike that wiped out the 2017 and 2018 seasons?

You need to follow the NFL more closely.

Ah, and all along I thought the NFL simply just lost track of where those 32 games went.

So that's why Zimmer said he would have brought Wade Wilson and Tommy Kramer in as scabs.

It all makes sense now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 8:34:00 PM

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Can't believe Adofo-Mensah used analytics to draft Ernest Byner when it was obvious to any area scout that he'd fumble at the goal line in the AFC Championship Game. He should have built the stadium further inland as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 10:08:41 PM

Chris Olson

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I can see the board will forever refer to Ryans as "DeMarco"

Thanks Ricky ;)

That said, I don't mind that hire

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 10:15:50 PM

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I guess the Vikings go with the analytics geek.

I get analytics in baseball, I don't have a good grasp of how that translates to football which is based on physical matchups and schemes.

He'd be the GM, not a coach.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/25/2022 10:28:10 PM

Ricky J

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I can see the board will forever refer to Ryans as "DeMarco"

Thanks Ricky ;)

That said, I don't mind that hire

Stupid auto-correct ;)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 4:11:37 AM

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I guess the Vikings go with the analytics geek.

I get analytics in baseball, I don't have a good grasp of how that translates to football which is based on physical matchups and schemes.

He'd be the GM, not a coach.

I know that. So how does a GM use them ?

I assume it isn’t drafting a bunch of workout warriors from the combine that sucked on the field in actual games.

I guess we will find out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 5:32:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I guess the Vikings go with the analytics geek.

I get analytics in baseball, I don't have a good grasp of how that translates to football which is based on physical matchups and schemes.

He'd be the GM, not a coach.

I know that. So how does a GM use them ?

I assume it isn’t drafting a bunch of workout warriors from the combine that sucked on the field in actual games.

I guess we will find out.

Stats that capture on-field playing ability are an important component of analytics.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 7:21:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I guess the Vikings go with the analytics geek.

I get analytics in baseball, I don't have a good grasp of how that translates to football which is based on physical matchups and schemes.

He'd be the GM, not a coach.

I know that. So how does a GM use them ?

I assume it isn’t drafting a bunch of workout warriors from the combine that sucked on the field in actual games.

I guess we will find out.

Figure out the best way to spend money on what positions....you know not spend a ton at RB, Safety, CB....whoops.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 7:43:31 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I guess the Vikings go with the analytics geek.

I get analytics in baseball, I don't have a good grasp of how that translates to football which is based on physical matchups and schemes.

He'd be the GM, not a coach.

I know that. So how does a GM use them ?

I assume it isn’t drafting a bunch of workout warriors from the combine that sucked on the field in actual games.

I guess we will find out.

Stats that capture on-field playing ability are an important component of analytics.

Hopefully somewhere in the data stacks of terabyte storage devices there's a note about higher drafted OL having more potential than lower drafted OL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 7:45:59 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Current cap space:
Browns 28M
Vikings -13M

Don't know how or if KAM was involved with any of that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 7:50:53 AM

Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

Not saying he would be a bad HC but he doesn't have much experience. He did fast track to DC but only started coaching in 2017. He got the DC job in 2021 following Saleh's departure as HC of the Jets.

9ers D is loaded with talent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 7:52:36 AM

Tom Sykes

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I heard today that Adofo-Mensah was the guy who convinced Bernie Kosar to wait for the Supplemental Draft so he wouldn't be drafted by the Vikings.

Timz nailed it! Just say no to former Brownies like that knucklehead Belichick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 8:00:17 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Can't believe Adofo-Mensah used analytics to draft Ernest Byner when it was obvious to any area scout that he'd fumble at the goal line in the AFC Championship Game. He should have built the stadium further inland as well.

Mark Wilf on the KAM hire: What sealed it for us was his ability to put the right people in the right spots. You look at him taking Jim Brown, solid move. And yes Paul Brown was the Browns co-founder and the man the team was named after but it was still a big call to make him the head coach.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 8:06:22 AM

Bill Johanesen

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Wilf continued: Kwesi also relayed a story about not being able to get a consensus for the Browns helmet logo. So rather than make just one or two people happy, he decided to go with no logo. We like that type of innovation. We've also asked him to crunch some numbers for our main business consisting of hundreds of thousands of apartments.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 9:29:00 AM

bohumm

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Wilf continued: Kwesi also relayed a story about not being able to get a consensus for the Browns helmet logo. So rather than make just one or two people happy, he decided to go with no logo. We like that type of innovation. We've also asked him to crunch some numbers for our main business consisting of hundreds of thousands of apartments.

Kwesi trademarked the slogan, "Orange is the new Brown(s)." How forward-thinking was THAT???!!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 9:55:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

I guess the Vikings go with the analytics geek.

I get analytics in baseball, I don't have a good grasp of how that translates to football which is based on physical matchups and schemes.

He'd be the GM, not a coach.

I know that. So how does a GM use them ?

I assume it isn’t drafting a bunch of workout warriors from the combine that sucked on the field in actual games.

I guess we will find out.

Stats that capture on-field playing ability are an important component of analytics.

Hopefully somewhere in the data stacks of terabyte storage devices there's a note about higher drafted OL having more potential than lower drafted OL.

Higher drafted OL like Kallil, Elflein, Bradbury, ...

What is needed is really good scouting of OL.

O'Neill worked out good. Cleveland isn't terrible. Darrisaw looks legit if he can stay healthy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 10:01:52 AM

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While I must admit I have not followed the NFL real close lately so I know nothing about GM's around the league. So I have a real question that hopefully someone here can answer. Why would you hire as your new GM someone from the front office of a team as crappy as the Browns have been for quite some time now?

because they weren't all that crappy when he was there.

Because they have drafted very well while he was there.

Because he uses his brain and not guts to make important decisions.

You should research the guy you already hate better.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 11:07:13 AM

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I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

Yes. If he(Ryans) doesn't get hired this year, he will be the #1 guy next year. Don't let him slip away.

Listening to PA and Courtenay Cronin, they say KAM is not a hands on personnel guy(scouting players). Probably going to hire an assistant GM to oversee that.

I like it. More delegation to guys out on the road doing the scouting. Not that Speilman was a Dictator but he probably loved the draft too much and felt he missed out if he didn't move around(trade) a lot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 11:15:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

Yes. If he(Ryans) doesn't get hired this year, he will be the #1 guy next year. Don't let him slip away.

Listening to PA and Courtenay Cronin, they say KAM is not a hands on personnel guy(scouting players). Probably going to hire an assistant GM to oversee that.

I like it. More delegation to guys out on the road doing the scouting. Not that Speilman was a Dictator but he probably loved the draft too much and felt he missed out if he didn't move around(trade) a lot.

He came from an economics background. So it makes sense that he’s more of a big picture guy and delegate nuts and bolts scouting. Evaluate needs and tell his personnel guys we need x,y and z for $ dollars. Find them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 11:20:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I'll say it now, I hope it's DeMarco Ryan as our next coach ...

... and willingly take my lumps if I'm wrong about his success as a head coach

Yes. If he(Ryans) doesn't get hired this year, he will be the #1 guy next year. Don't let him slip away.

Listening to PA and Courtenay Cronin, they say KAM is not a hands on personnel guy(scouting players). Probably going to hire an assistant GM to oversee that.

I like it. More delegation to guys out on the road doing the scouting. Not that Speilman was a Dictator but he probably loved the draft too much and felt he missed out if he didn't move around(trade) a lot.

He came from an economics background. So it makes sense that he’s more of a big picture guy and delegate nuts and bolts scouting. Evaluate needs and tell his personnel guys we need x,y and z for $ dollars. Find them.

The determining factor in Adofo-Mensah's or any GMs success will be his ability to surround himself with good people and then listen to them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2022 11:25:51 AM 1 votes

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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Wilf continued: Kwesi also relayed a story about not being able to get a consensus for the Browns helmet logo. So rather than make just one or two people happy, he decided to go with no logo. We like that type of innovation. We've also asked him to crunch some numbers for our main business consisting of hundreds of thousands of apartments.

Kwesi trademarked the slogan, "Orange is the new Brown(s)." How forward-thinking was THAT???!!!

He was also a Princeton basketball player. Back cuts and overachieving. Beating a powerhouse every now and then.

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