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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:20:33 AM

twinsfan

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PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

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PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

I hope KAM cuts him off.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:25:16 AM

Tom Sykes

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I want offensive head coach. Defensive head coach just means you are looking for another OC if they are good.

Isn't the flip true?

The flipside is more true of coordinators … I’d prefer an off. mind at the top that automatically imposes some continuity on that side of the ball, even over multiple OCs.

But wtf you need a good HC and both coordinators to be good period or you’r sunk so hand-wringing over one or the other is premature.

Ok. The flip is true.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:27:20 AM

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I want offensive head coach. Defensive head coach just means you are looking for another OC if they are good.

Isn't the flip true?

I think a very large percentage of the most successful teams have Offensive Head Coaches. I think the league rules slant towards offense and an offensive perspective at the top is best.

obviously there are exceptions.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:27:46 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:33:32 AM

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PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

That's nuts, who does he want to have the final say?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:45:01 AM

ratoppenheimer

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i can't help but think that the wilfs blew their interviews, and now settled for their 2nd choice....

Actually you could help it. You could resist the urge to assume the glass is half empty. There's no reason to believe they didn't get the one they wanted.

like always, I'm all in...but right now, it's just a glass....

now, let's show a little urgency in selecting our 1st choice for head coach before he signs elsewhere....

"they are working diligently to add Catherine Raiche as the Assistant General Manager as well, per source."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:49:10 AM

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PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

I haven't been able to listen to kfan for years and PA in particular, unless they has a good guest around draft time.

I really don't believe there is anyone with less football sense than Paul Allen. His takes have always been god awful.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:50:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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I want offensive head coach. Defensive head coach just means you are looking for another OC if they are good.

Isn't the flip true?

The flipside is more true of coordinators … I’d prefer an off. mind at the top that automatically imposes some continuity on that side of the ball, even over multiple OCs.

But wtf you need a good HC and both coordinators to be good period or you’r sunk so hand-wringing over one or the other is premature.

Ok. The flip is true.

Just seems like there are more good DCs that are demonstrated not cut out for HC, so less likely to get snagged again. The exception maybe being Pat Schurmur.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:51:41 AM

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I want offensive head coach. Defensive head coach just means you are looking for another OC if they are good.

Isn't the flip true?

He was basketball.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 10:53:25 AM

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Hackett will be named HC by noon Fri.

Should have read pft 1st...it appears the Broncos are finalizing things with him.

You weren't wrong.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 11:16:33 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i can't help but think that the wilfs blew their interviews, and now settled for their 2nd choice....

Actually you could help it. You could resist the urge to assume the glass is half empty. There's no reason to believe they didn't get the one they wanted.

like always, I'm all in...but right now, it's just a glass....

now, let's show a little urgency in selecting our 1st choice for head coach before he signs elsewhere....

"they are working diligently to add Catherine Raiche as the Assistant General Manager as well, per source."

That would be a good move too.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 11:17:41 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 11:19:39 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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i can't help but think that the wilfs blew their interviews, and now settled for their 2nd choice....

Actually you could help it. You could resist the urge to assume the glass is half empty. There's no reason to believe they didn't get the one they wanted.

like always, I'm all in...but right now, it's just a glass....

now, let's show a little urgency in selecting our 1st choice for head coach before he signs elsewhere....

"they are working diligently to add Catherine Raiche as the Assistant General Manager as well, per source."

That would be a good move too.

Hopefully she was overruled when she wanted Jefferson over Reagor.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 11:20:23 AM

Phil Riewer

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Hackett will be named HC by noon Fri.

Should have read pft 1st...it appears the Broncos are finalizing things with him.

You weren't wrong.

You get the GM right first and if the Asst GM rumors happen; bonus. I would be happy with any of the coaches (except the retreads). Pederson won the SB so I don't consider him a retread.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 11:51:30 AM

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I'd go with an OC over a DC. Seems an OC is, or should be, naturally more attuned to clock management, timeouts, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 11:53:20 AM

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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Kwesi Adofo-Mensah: "We know the destination. It’s sustained success and championships for these great fans. We know how to get there, it’s just having the willingness, the wherewithal and the confidence to make those decisions to stay on the right path."

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Kwesi Adofo-Mensah on the "analytics" buzz word: "It's about asking why...trying to figure out what you're doing." Said that he considers analytics about being thoughtful/intentional and that sometimes that takes quantitative research, sometimes it's about talking to people.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Mark Wilf said that KAM has already been "deeply involved in conversations about the head coach". Adofo-Mensah said he's "going to dive into this head coaching search" and has already had initial conversations about that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 12:35:32 PM

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Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Kwesi Adofo-Mensah: "We know the destination. It’s sustained success and championships for these great fans. We know how to get there, it’s just having the willingness, the wherewithal and the confidence to make those decisions to stay on the right path."

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Kwesi Adofo-Mensah on the "analytics" buzz word: "It's about asking why...trying to figure out what you're doing." Said that he considers analytics about being thoughtful/intentional and that sometimes that takes quantitative research, sometimes it's about talking to people.

Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Mark Wilf said that KAM has already been "deeply involved in conversations about the head coach". Adofo-Mensah said he's "going to dive into this head coaching search" and has already had initial conversations about that.

I like the cut of his jib. Let’s hope the words turn into winning football!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 12:52:11 PM

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pick the wrong 'Next QB' and all the bla bla bla isn't going to matter.

in the NFL the wrong choice of QB can set any franchise back multiple years depending on how long you are going to beat your head against the door with him. See Ponder.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 12:54:24 PM

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pick the wrong 'Next QB' and all the bla bla bla isn't going to matter.

in the NFL the wrong choice of QB can set any franchise back multiple years depending on how long you are going to beat your head against the door with him. See Ponder.

the Ponder situation was worse.

they didn't bring anybody in to compete with him because they thought he wouldn't handle it well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 2:28:49 PM

twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 2:29:41 PM

twinsfan

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PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

That's nuts, who does he want to have the final say?

Leber tried to bail him out. PA didn't dig any deeper only because he STFU for the rest of the segment.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 3:35:13 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 4:03:23 PM

twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

Interesting. So you're saying the GM may defer the draft selection to a scout? That doesn't seem like a good idea. Who's getting paid the big bucks?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 4:11:47 PM

Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

This is my take on Analytics.

You can't base everything on just the numbers.

If you do, you will think Kirk Cousins is one of the best QBs in Football and the numbers bear that out.

There is a feel to it. There is more than just the numbers.

Analytics can only get you so far. You do have to read between the lines sometimes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2022 4:20:04 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

Interesting. So you're saying the GM may defer the draft selection to a scout? That doesn't seem like a good idea. Who's getting paid the big bucks?