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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

This is my take on Analytics.

You can't base everything on just the numbers.

If you do, you will think Kirk Cousins is one of the best QBs in Football and the numbers bear that out.

There is a feel to it. There is more than just the numbers.

Analytics can only get you so far. You do have to read between the lines sometimes.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

This is my take on Analytics.

You can't base everything on just the numbers.

If you do, you will think Kirk Cousins is one of the best QBs in Football and the numbers bear that out.

There is a feel to it. There is more than just the numbers.

Analytics can only get you so far. You do have to read between the lines sometimes.

I think there is a disconnect here between "stats" and "analytics".

Stats (TDs, Comp%, QBR, etc) would say that Kirk is one of the best QBs in football.

Analytics would look at the situations where he excels and where he struggles. Its a much deeper dive than what boxscores tell you. What type of plays or situations does he do well in, when and how does he struggle, stuff like that.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

I agree with that take, Tom.

But I see his mistakes are going to be met with, "Shouldn't of hired an analytics guy"

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

I agree with that take, Tom.

But I see his mistakes are going to be met with, "Shouldn't of hired an analytics guy"

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Guilty as hell! My good natured Vikings slack is all used up.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

I agree with that take, Tom.

But I see his mistakes are going to be met with, "Shouldn't of hired an analytics guy"

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Guilty as hell! My good natured Vikings slack is all used up.

i guess i don't follow.

Tbc, the only thing I was referring to in your post was the your view of twins fan's interpretation of what PA said. It was a stupid thing say and it was most prob about his ignorance regarding the analytical position of Adofo-Mensah.

The second part was my feeling of the criticism Adofo-Mensah is going to get going forward for being "analytical guy" if we don't win big and soon.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

This is my take on Analytics.

You can't base everything on just the numbers.

If you do, you will think Kirk Cousins is one of the best QBs in Football and the numbers bear that out.

There is a feel to it. There is more than just the numbers.

Analytics can only get you so far. You do have to read between the lines sometimes.

I think there is a disconnect here between "stats" and "analytics".

Stats (TDs, Comp%, QBR, etc) would say that Kirk is one of the best QBs in football.

Analytics would look at the situations where he excels and where he struggles. Its a much deeper dive than what boxscores tell you. What type of plays or situations does he do well in, when and how does he struggle, stuff like that.

Vastly more in depth yes but at some point, you are still diving off of meaningful data patterns and projecting human behavior ... that's true in business and moreso in sports.

Extrapolating every conceivable variable going all the way back to CBs in the primordial soup. At some point its a gut call.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

I think the Defense needs more gutting than the offense. 30th and 29th ranking last two years really point it out.

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

PA hoping the new GM isn't the one making the final call on who to draft if there's disagreement. WTF??? Old white man has a problem.

PA had too much access to Spielman and Zimmer...Poor guy.

our version of Hannity

Hannity and Carlson wrapped in one.

How unintentionally (or intentionally?) racist can a statement get? C'mon PA!!

well … full-disclosure, I made a very similar statement a day or two go … if there’s a dispute in the draft room - is the analytics guy going to have to make a final call for the personnel guys he hired as his experts?

I’m not seeing the racial side of that …. I guess I’m an anaytics racist when it comes to judging college football talent.

Maybe the final decision is better off being cold and calculating instead of intuitive. Who knows. It will take a few drafts to build analytics on the new guy.

This is my take on Analytics.

You can't base everything on just the numbers.

If you do, you will think Kirk Cousins is one of the best QBs in Football and the numbers bear that out.

There is a feel to it. There is more than just the numbers.

Analytics can only get you so far. You do have to read between the lines sometimes.

I think there is a disconnect here between "stats" and "analytics".

Stats (TDs, Comp%, QBR, etc) would say that Kirk is one of the best QBs in football.

Analytics would look at the situations where he excels and where he struggles. Its a much deeper dive than what boxscores tell you. What type of plays or situations does he do well in, when and how does he struggle, stuff like that.

Vastly more in depth yes but at some point, you are still diving off of meaningful data patterns and projecting human behavior ... that's true in business and moreso in sports.

Extrapolating every conceivable variable going all the way back to CBs in the primordial soup. At some point its a gut call.

Obviously great in theory. Time will tell if it actually makes a difference. Could analytics have helped us avoid someone like Bradbury and instead opt for Elgton Jenkins? Gladney vs. Winfield Jr? Mond vs. Mills? So many recent misses.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

Even though I recognized KC's big pitfalls as a QB, I always defended him as not being "the problem". That all changed last year. He needs to go. He's extremely selfish IMO.

I respect everyone's right to choose for themselves but when your choice impacts the entire org and you choose yourself, I'm done with ya. It didn't take a rocket scientist to understand that he would most likely get Covid at some point. I get that he figured/knew it wouldn't affect him too badly. It was a lock it would take him out for, at least, 1 game. That it was the game that knocked us out of the playoffs was Karma punching the collective Viking fandom in the face.

I also get that Cooke/Smith ect were in the same boat but the drop-off from Cooke to Mattison ect is nothing compared to KC's and Mannion. As soon as he tested positive we were done. Had no chance.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

I think the Defense needs more gutting than the offense. 30th and 29th ranking last two years really point it out.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

Even though I recognized KC's big pitfalls as a QB, I always defended him as not being "the problem". That all changed last year. He needs to go. He's extremely selfish IMO.

I respect everyone's right to choose for themselves but when your choice impacts the entire org and you choose yourself, I'm done with ya. It didn't take a rocket scientist to understand that he would most likely get Covid at some point. I get that he figured/knew it wouldn't affect him too badly. It was a lock it would take him out for, at least, 1 game. That it was the game that knocked us out of the playoffs was Karma punching the collective Viking fandom in the face.

I also get that Cooke/Smith ect were in the same boat but the drop-off from Cooke to Mattison ect is nothing compared to KC's and Mannion. As soon as he tested positive we were done. Had no chance.

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

It all depends on Adofo-Mensah's vision for the team is. If he thinks he can retool around the existing core, he will need to extend Cousins and lower his cap hit. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that, but if the Vikings expect to contend right away there really aren't any other QB options available to them.

If Adofo-Mensah thinks it's time to start over, then a full blow up including Cousins and Cook. In that case the house needs to be gutted right to the studs.

Even though I recognized KC's big pitfalls as a QB, I always defended him as not being "the problem". That all changed last year. He needs to go. He's extremely selfish IMO.

I respect everyone's right to choose for themselves but when your choice impacts the entire org and you choose yourself, I'm done with ya. It didn't take a rocket scientist to understand that he would most likely get Covid at some point. I get that he figured/knew it wouldn't affect him too badly. It was a lock it would take him out for, at least, 1 game. That it was the game that knocked us out of the playoffs was Karma punching the collective Viking fandom in the face.

I also get that Cooke/Smith ect were in the same boat but the drop-off from Cooke to Mattison ect is nothing compared to KC's and Mannion. As soon as he tested positive we were done. Had no chance.

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

Why not just stop conditioning and training in the offseason? Then when you get injured you can just say look at all the players who DID condition and train in the offseason also got hurt. We can minimize poor decisions all day long if you like.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?


3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?


3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.