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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 10:52:10 AM

marty

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What would it take to trade for Mills, and then have Mond and Mills battle it out for the QB spot ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 10:56:03 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 10:57:09 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I heard Cousins isn't going to wear a helmet next season. When asked why he said the decision was a personal one. But hey - look at all those helmet-wearers that also got injured.

clever

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 11:05:56 AM

David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 11:14:38 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

Good point.

Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine.

By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 11:27:03 AM

Jeff Jesser

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Yeah, I don't have the answers for sure. I guess my fight against KC now has as much to do with our ex-GM as it does with him. If you knew he wouldn't get vaxxed, and would almost certainly miss a game(s), and thought Mannion was your insurance blanket, you deserve to be on the streets right now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 11:29:22 AM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Yeah, I don't have the answers for sure. I guess my fight against KC now has as much to do with our ex-GM as it does with him. If you knew he wouldn't get vaxxed, and would almost certainly miss a game(s), and thought Mannion was your insurance blanket, you deserve to be on the streets right now.

We couldn't agree more on Mannion.

Zimmer and Speilman liked having a yes man more than they did having a competent player.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:07:08 PM

beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

Good point.

Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine.

By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists.

Ask yourself this...

If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief)

Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game...

Would you feel differently?

I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:16:27 PM

Murph

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Can we do an extension that makes sense?

Kirk has taken us to the cleaners
..can he agree to something that isn't csp busting? If he can't then he has to go. No conference championships or SB's to your name and you simply don't deserve 30 something million.

I don't hate him. But I'm so OK with trading him.

No

No, no and no; if we want to contend for a Super Bowl in the next 5 years and the new GM wants to keep his job. imho

I think Kirk would have a chance to win in post season with one coach calling plays for him and he coaches in SF now.

I want Super Bowls runs and I don't believe in Kirk in big spots, let alone a 3-4 game playoff run against other top QB's and defenses. I just don't see it.

I think there's about a 95% chance he's traded. We get nothing if he just walks and we're not going to extend him or take a 45 mil cap hit next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:18:02 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

Good point.

Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine.

By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists.

Ask yourself this...

If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief)

Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game...

Would you feel differently?

I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them.

I don't think he would miss a playoff game because the rules have evolved and are fairer for vaxxed and unvaxxed.

All I know is they strongly believe in what they are doing. VAERS isn't some made up conspiracy site. Covid shots make sense for some but not for others imho.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:27:49 PM

paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

Good point.

Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine.

By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists.

Ask yourself this...

If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief)

Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game...

Would you feel differently?

I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them.

I don't think he would miss a playoff game because the rules have evolved and are fairer for vaxxed and unvaxxed.

All I know is they strongly believe in what they are doing. VAERS isn't some made up conspiracy site. Covid shots make sense for some but not for others imho.

The rules evolved but there was no indication that they would when their decisions were made.

VARES isn't made up, but it has been problematic with regards to vaccines for a long time. Because anything that happens after the vaccine can be reported. A 75 year old with heart failure can get a flu shot, then get admitted to the hospital with a HF exacerbation. 99.99% nothing to do with the flu shot, but still reported. It's so inconsistent. As a pharmacist, we've struggled with this kind of nonsense for years - since the completely debunked Mercola paper came out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:34:31 PM

paulgly

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Anyway sorry I won't talk Covid in here anymore!

I don't what to think about Cousins. Depends on the trade. What is the minimum return? 2nd round pick? Even with a trade, they're still up against it with the cap. Basically guarantees punting 2022 which is OK as long as there is a good plan in place for going forward.

I would like to keep Hunter. I would look to dump Cook. I don't think he looked as explosive this year with the exception of the Pittsburgh game, and was rated average by PFF. When RBs lose it, they lose it quickly (like CBs)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:40:22 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: paulgly

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

How many vaccinated players missed games because of Covid?

3 that I can remember that had any importance. Cooke, Smith and Cousins

Cooke - We lost 23-30 to the team in the NFC Championship. Mattison did dine. 13 carries for 41 yards a TD and 3 catches for 29 yards. Offense put up 23 points to a great D and about 400 total yards.

Mannion - we got crushed by 27 and Mannion didn't even crack 200 yards in a must win to get in the playoffs.

Apples/Oranges

Do Cook or Cousins play defense?

We couldn't stop the Rams or Packers.

If you think Cousins would have beat GB that night, then I'm glad you're not making decisions for the Vikings.

Here's the thing though - we hear all the time about doing everything you can to be on the field. Those guys didn't. You might not agree with the rules, and you have the right to choose not to get vaxxed, but bottom line those were the rules. And those guys chose not to do everything they could to be on the field.

I'm fine with that line of thinking as long as it's consistent with how it applies to all injuries. Don't like to hear the same people question toughness if someone doesn't rush back from injury, even if it takes longer than what was originally thought. Not saying that's you, but I have seen it a lot.

Would having Harrison Smith available for the Ravens game have made the difference? Who knows but maybe they make more defensive plays down the stretch?

I see what you're saying.

But, are they vindicated when you see that the NFL changed the rules on vaxxed and unvaxxed?

A healthy, in their prime athlete has about the same chance of long term effects from Covid as having a serious side effect from the vaccine. That's what these guys are thinking about.

These same healthy, in their prime athletes have no fear of the long term effects of concussions and CTE. Be a man and take the vaccine for the good of the team.

Good point.

Rules are evolving though. I don't think any of those 3 miss a game with new rules. They all said they felt fine.

By next year, everyone can sign a waiver, no testing and no Covid lists.

Ask yourself this...

If the stars had aligned and the Vikes were a 2017/2009/1998 type team (again... suspend disbelief)

Kirk ends up having to miss a playoff game...

Would you feel differently?

I was a little blah because I figured it wouldn't matter... but that is what bugged me the most... Kirk set himself up to let the team down if/when he needed them.

I don't think he would miss a playoff game because the rules have evolved and are fairer for vaxxed and unvaxxed.

All I know is they strongly believe in what they are doing. VAERS isn't some made up conspiracy site. Covid shots make sense for some but not for others imho.

The rules evolved but there was no indication that they would when their decisions were made.

VARES isn't made up, but it has been problematic with regards to vaccines for a long time. Because anything that happens after the vaccine can be reported. A 75 year old with heart failure can get a flu shot, then get admitted to the hospital with a HF exacerbation. 99.99% nothing to do with the flu shot, but still reported. It's so inconsistent. As a pharmacist, we've struggled with this kind of nonsense for years - since the completely debunked Mercola paper came out.

Would you call reported Covid deaths as inconsistent(for the same reasons)? PM me.

Anyway, if we trade Cousins, I hope we have a plan to move up and get Pickett. Maybe that involves moving Cook.

< Message edited by Mark Anderson -- 1/28/2022 12:46:26 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:42:33 PM

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If Wilf was being accurate, the team will not be rebuilding. Barring a whole lot of luck, KC is likely to help achieve a better W/L record than anyone else who may be available or be drafted. Getting rid of Cousins, even for some trade value in return, is in the rebuild category.

And will a team giving up assets for a $35 million one year rental? However, egos are part of that equation and there are always teams that think they can unlock the full potential of any given player.

Things seem to point to KC being here next year. The big decisions in that case are extend or not, how can they help him improve, what is the succession plan, type of QB, cap consequences, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 12:46:01 PM

Mark Anderson

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If Wilf was being accurate, the team will not be rebuilding. Barring a whole lot of luck, KC is likely to help achieve a better W/L record than anyone else who may be available or be drafted. Getting rid of Cousins, even for some trade value in return, is in the rebuild category.

And will a team giving up assets for a $35 million one year rental? However, egos are part of that equation and there are always teams that think they can unlock the full potential of any given player.

Things seem to point to KC being here next year. The big decisions in that case are extend or not, how can they help him improve, what is the succession plan, type of QB, cap consequences, etc.

Are we confident that the salary cap is going to explode in the next couple years(do to the gambling $$$)? Then we could add some voidable years and have a reasonable hit this year with some dead cap the next couple years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:08:55 PM

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who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?....

if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter....

we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there....

restructure kendricks and save $4m....

i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022....

we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season....

if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen....

we still need players....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:11:15 PM

Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?....

if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter....

we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there....

restructure kendricks and save $4m....

i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022....

we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season....

if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen....

we still need players....

I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:18:01 PM

David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?....

if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter....

we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there....

restructure kendricks and save $4m....

i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022....

we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season....

if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen....

we still need players....

I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%.

How often does that happen?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:20:50 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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At this point in this teams journey..

We are stuck with Cousins…

Keep our young talent,

Find a way to trade the overpriced smiths, hunters, cooks, and Thielen…We have to let the new GM do his thing..

A lot of fans are going to be upset, when “thier favorite guy” is kicked to the curb..

Every team always needs players..

Overpaying for often injured or past thier prime players, out of “ loyalty”.. is stupid.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:41:38 PM

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Thielen will go somewhere with a real offensive minded coach and be a poor man's Cris Carter. Thielen has excelent hands, I would hate to see him go.

paying safeties big money is stupid and Smith should have been gone over a contract ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:48:13 PM

David F.

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Is paying safeties big money stupid?

Positional spending by cap dollars 2021:

1 Kansas City Chiefs 4 $23,292,604 $5,823,151 12.36%
2 New England Patriots 5 $20,353,760 $4,070,752 9.89%
3 New Orleans Saints 5 $19,010,799 $3,802,160 10.25%
4 Tennessee Titans 4 $18,013,345 $4,503,336 9.45%
5 Buffalo Bills 5 $14,403,884 $2,880,777 7.65%
6 Houston Texans 4 $13,961,202 $3,490,301 7.18%
7 Arizona Cardinals 6 $12,119,144 $2,019,857 6.31%
8 Miami Dolphins 5 $11,409,336 $2,281,867 5.79%
9 Green Bay Packers 5 $11,113,501 $2,222,700 5.97%
10 Cincinnati Bengals 5 $10,326,422 $2,065,284 5.29%
11 Minnesota Vikings 3 $9,413,528 $3,137,843 5.03%
12 San Francisco 49ers 5 $8,783,421 $1,756,684 4.49%

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:55:52 PM

David F.

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Here's some stupidity:

2022 Quarterback Cap Hit Rankings
1
Matt Ryan
ATL
QB $48,662,500
2
Aaron Rodgers
GB
QB $46,664,157
3
Kirk Cousins
MIN
QB $45,000,000
4
Deshaun Watson
HOU
QB $40,400,000
5
Ryan Tannehill
TEN
QB $38,600,000
6
Russell Wilson
SEA
QB $37,000,000
7
Patrick Mahomes
KC
QB $35,793,381
8
Dak Prescott
DAL
QB $34,450,000
9
Jared Goff
DET
QB $31,150,000
10
Carson Wentz
IND
QB $28,294,118
11
Jimmy Garoppolo
SF
QB $26,905,870
12
Lamar Jackson
BAL
QB $23,016,000
13
Matthew Stafford
LAR
QB $23,000,000
14
Tom Brady
TB
QB $20,270,588
15
Derek Carr
LV
QB $19,877,519
16
Baker Mayfield
CLE
QB $18,858,000

Sam Darnold
CAR
QB $18,858,000
18
Josh Allen
BUF
QB $16,372,281
19
Taysom Hill
NO
QB $12,325,000
20
Kyler Murray
ARI
QB $11,386,841
21
Nick Foles
CHI
QB $10,666,667
22
Ben Roethlisberger
PIT
QB $10,340,000
23
Joe Burrow
CIN
QB $9,870,037
24
Case Keenum
CLE
QB $8,433,334
25
Daniel Jones
NYG
QB $8,365,836
26
Trevor Lawrence
JAC
QB $8,362,156
27
Tua Tagovailoa
MIA
QB $8,256,938
28
Zach Wilson
NYJ
QB $7,988,791
29
Trey Lance
SF
QB $7,751,199
30
Justin Herbert
LAC
QB $7,248,751
31
Andy Dalton
CHI
QB $5,000,000
32
Justin Fields
CHI
QB $4,289,081
33
Mason Rudolph
PIT
QB $4,040,000
34
Mac Jones
NE
QB $3,542,353
35
Jordan Love
GB
QB $3,377,305
36
Jameis Winston
NO
QB $3,000,000
37
Taylor Heinicke
WAS
QB $2,875,000
38
C.J. Beathard
JAC
QB $2,726,464
39
Drew Lock
DEN
QB $2,230,715
40
Jalen Hurts
PHI
QB $1,643,230
41
Kyle Trask
TB
QB $1,258,031
42
Kellen Mond
MIN
QB $1,187,140
43
Davis Mills
HOU
QB $1,186,633
44
Jarrett Stidham
NE
QB $1,124,028
45
Cooper Rush
DAL
QB $1,035,000
46
Easton Stick
LAC
QB $1,034,391
47
Will Grier
DAL
QB $1,020,408
48
Ian Book
NO
QB $993,396
49
Trace McSorley
ARI
QB $965,000

Gardner Minshew
PHI
QB $965,000

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 1:56:25 PM

Mark Anderson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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who would you rather cut, harrison smith or adam thielen?...or both? - each move would save the team $6m in cap space...which one is easier to replace?....

if the vikings are going to go for the gold in 2022 we have to keep both cousins, and hunter....

we are going to cut pierce and ham and save $8m there....

restructure kendricks and save $4m....

i think we should restructure cousins by adding a couple of ghost years onto his existing deal and lower his 2022 cap hit by about $15m...he would still be a free agent after 2022....

we could keep hunter's deal just the way it is...two years left at about $17.3m/yr...2022 cap hit on the high side at $26m, but a very cap-friendly $8.6m in 2023...or we could extend him a little and save some cap space this season....

if we leave hunter's deal alone and do everything else we'll be between $12m - $22m under the 2022 cap...depending on smith and thielen....

we still need players....

I think Thielen would give us a home state salary cut. Maybe 25%.

How often does that happen?

If he goes down to a salary that is equal or slightly greater than what he could get on open market. Not having to be away from his family in another city or moving them all to another city. Level headed guy who is set for life already.

Injuries and age would prevent other teams from giving him a big offer.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 2:00:09 PM

David F.

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More stupidity:

2022 Running Back Cap Hit Rankings
1
Ezekiel Elliott
DAL
RB $18,220,000
2
Derrick Henry
TEN
RB $15,000,000
3
Alvin Kamara
NO
RB $14,500,000
4
Christian McCaffrey
CAR
RB $14,309,500
5
Dalvin Cook
MIN
RB $11,883,615
6
Joe Mixon
CIN
RB $11,420,589
7
Aaron Jones
GB
RB $9,000,000
8
Kenyan Drake
LV
RB $8,000,000
9
Saquon Barkley
NYG
RB $7,217,000
10
Austin Ekeler
LAC
RB $6,500,000
11
Christopher Carson
SEA
RB $6,425,000
12
Kareem Hunt
CLE
RB $6,250,000
13
Tarik Cohen
CHI
RB $5,750,000
14
Nick Chubb
CLE
RB $5,213,059
15
Nyheim Hines
IND
RB $5,140,000
16
Jamaal Williams
DET
RB $4,625,000
17
Gus Edwards
BAL
RB $4,500,000
18
Josh Jacobs
LV
RB $3,796,990
19
Mike Davis
ATL
RB $3,250,000
20
Devontae Booker
NYG
RB $3,000,000
21
Najee Harris
PIT
RB $2,965,329
22
Clyde Edwards-Helaire
KC
RB $2,951,337
23
Travis Etienne
JAC
RB $2,931,388
24
David Montgomery
CHI
RB $2,801,545
25
Devin Singletary
BUF
RB $2,798,956
26
Carlos Hyde
JAC
RB $2,391,168
27
D'Andre Swift
DET
RB $2,328,795
28
Mark Ingram
NO
RB $2,211,754
29
Jonathan Taylor
IND
RB $2,135,223
30
Rex Burkhead
HOU
RB $2,085,294
31
Mike Boone
DEN
RB $2,050,000
32
Javonte Williams
DEN
RB $2,014,944
33
Samaje Perine
CIN
RB $1,850,000
34
Miles Sanders
PHI
RB $1,704,156
35
Cam Akers
LAR
RB $1,683,555
36
JK Dobbins
BAL
RB $1,562,573
37
A.J. Dillon
GB
RB $1,441,590
38
Antonio Gibson
WAS
RB $1,345,264
39
Darrell Henderson
LAR
RB $1,333,265
40
Ke'Shawn Vaughn
TB
RB $1,297,091
41
Zack Moss
BUF
RB $1,237,354
42
Darrynton Evans
TEN
RB $1,224,416
43
Damien Harris
NE
RB $1,186,534
44
Alexander Mattison
MIN
RB $1,170,543
45
Justice Hill
BAL
RB $1,150,414
46
Benny Snell Jr.
PIT
RB $1,140,517
47
Tony Pollard
DAL
RB $1,131,945
48
Trey Sermon
SF
RB $1,107,485
49
Josh Kelley
LAC
RB $1,090,085
50
La'Mical Perine
NYJ
RB $1,081,336

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/28/2022 2:08:24 PM

Mark Anderson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Here's some stupidity:

2022 Quarterback Cap Hit Rankings
1
Matt Ryan
ATL
QB $48,662,500
2
Aaron Rodgers
GB
QB $46,664,157
3
Kirk Cousins
MIN
QB $45,000,000
4
Deshaun Watson
HOU
QB $40,400,000
5
Ryan Tannehill
TEN
QB $38,600,000
6
Russell Wilson
SEA
QB $37,000,000
7
Patrick Mahomes
KC
QB $35,793,381
8
Dak Prescott
DAL
QB $34,450,000
9
Jared Goff
DET
QB $31,150,000
10
Carson Wentz
IND
QB $28,294,118
11
Jimmy Garoppolo
SF
QB $26,905,870
12
Lamar Jackson
BAL
QB $23,016,000
13
Matthew Stafford
LAR
QB $23,000,000
14
Tom Brady
TB
QB $20,270,588
15
Derek Carr
LV
QB $19,877,519
16
Baker Mayfield
CLE
QB $18,858,000

Sam Darnold
CAR
QB $18,858,000
18
Josh Allen
BUF
QB $16,372,281
19
Taysom Hill
NO
QB $12,325,000
20
Kyler Murray
ARI
QB $11,386,841
21
Nick Foles
CHI
QB $10,666,667
22
Ben Roethlisberger
PIT
QB $10,340,000
23
Joe Burrow
CIN
QB $9,870,037
24
Case Keenum
CLE
QB $8,433,334
25
Daniel Jones
NYG
QB $8,365,836
26
Trevor Lawrence
JAC
QB $8,362,156
27
Tua Tagovailoa
MIA
QB $8,256,938
28
Zach Wilson
NYJ
QB $7,988,791
29
Trey Lance
SF
QB $7,751,199
30
Justin Herbert
LAC
QB $7,248,751
31
Andy Dalton
CHI
QB $5,000,000
32
Justin Fields
CHI
QB $4,289,081
33
Mason Rudolph
PIT
QB $4,040,000
34
Mac Jones
NE
QB $3,542,353
35
Jordan Love
GB
QB $3,377,305
36
Jameis Winston
NO
QB $3,000,000
37
Taylor Heinicke
WAS
QB $2,875,000
38
C.J. Beathard
JAC
QB $2,726,464
39
Drew Lock
DEN
QB $2,230,715
40
Jalen Hurts
PHI
QB $1,643,230
41
Kyle Trask
TB
QB $1,258,031
42
Kellen Mond
MIN
QB $1,187,140
43
Davis Mills
HOU
QB $1,186,633
44
Jarrett Stidham
NE
QB $1,124,028
45
Cooper Rush
DAL
QB $1,035,000
46
Easton Stick
LAC
QB $1,034,391
47
Will Grier
DAL
QB $1,020,408
48
Ian Book
NO
QB $993,396
49
Trace McSorley
ARI
QB $965,000

Gardner Minshew
PHI
QB $965,000

I'm trying to think if there is any SB winning QB(other than Brady, Brees) who wasn't on their rookie deal when they won their SB. Since QB salaries exploded. Last 10-15 years.

Maybe analytics tell us to find our rookie QB and build a powerhouse behind him.

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