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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 8:37:26 AM

Ricky J

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So he's staying?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 9:14:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/25/2022 10:06:19 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 9:15:41 AM

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I will say this ...

Yes, there is more sauce with Cousins than any other recent Viking ... not just straight-forward criticism ...

IMO some of that difference comes from his quirkiness – there's just so much fun material there. Some of it is generated by disappointment from a player that does some things really good and some things bad. The contract aspect makes him even more of a pariah.

AP is probably next in line. (Ponder never raised hope)

You have to raise expectations very high to rankle fans to KC or AP levels of frustration.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/25/2022 10:35:11 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 11:20:14 AM

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I call it hate

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 11:26:35 AM 1 votes

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You ignore all the games that he did his job and someone else lost it late

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 11:57:39 AM

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You ignore all the games that he did his job and someone else lost it late

Is it his job to put the game out of reach when the opportunity is there so one late mishap doesn’t lead to a loss?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 12:20:42 PM

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Lets give him a 1 year 'fresh start'.

It's true that he didn't audible out of plays and just executed the game plan. I doubt anyone disputes that. That being said, Zimmerball certainly held him back a bit. Let's evaluate him with, what we assume, is a guy that takes the reigns off before we pass final judgement.

To say he didn't put teams away early is dismissing that's exactly what Zimmer was about. Keep it close and run the ball. ZIMMER didn't put teams away early.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 12:48:56 PM

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I call it hate

You can label it whatever you want … whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Has nothing to do with me.

I’m not going to go around saying you have the hots for Cousins … just because you have a more optimistic perspective.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 12:53:00 PM

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I don't care too much either way, keep him or trade him but just don't extend him.

Also, if they get rid of Cousins I hope they bring in somebody like Garapalo or Mariotta. You can't just throw the season into Mond's hands, he might completely stink.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 1:04:07 PM

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You ignore all the games that he did his job and someone else lost it late

Again, not at all

I have consistently pointed out that he’s a good QB with some weaknesses … not a lousy QB who does one or two things well.

I am ecstatic when he comes through in games … I wish he didn’t sit back at times and simply take what’s there. He has the arm talent to be better and more successful than he is.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 2/25/2022 5:21:40 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 5:23:00 PM

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I'm all for purging if it brings in a franchise mobile QB (Murray). Or if there was a can't miss prospect in college.

Purging because it is something different makes you the Lions.

Offense is in their prime right now in an offense driven league with a new innovative offensive coach. Blow it all up to re-build the defense???

Anyway, we can quit speculating in about 3 weeks.

Murray started strong, but sucked the 2nd half of last season. IMO the jury is very out on him.

Murray and Burrow were #1 overall picks. Herbert looks good. He was picked #6. Who was the last QB picked outside of the top 6 that turned out? Russell Wilson?

Not sure what point you are making for sure...
so I'd say that top QBs are chosen in the 1st round more often than not... but does not have to be top 6 pick.

Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
Aaron Rodgers
Patrick Mahomes
Ben Roethlisberger
Russel Wilson
Tom Brady
Derek Carr(?)

My point is it's very unlikely to get a top QB drafting outside of the top 10 picks. I was forgetting Mahomes and Allen 10th and 7th respectively. Jackson, Carr and Dak don't impress me much and Wilson, Brady, Rodgers and Ben were a long, long time ago.

Very late to respond...

Top 6 pick starting QBs:
Murray
Ryan
Darnold
Goff
Wentz
Lawrence
Herbert
Stafford
Tagovailoa
Wilson

Picking inside the top 6 doesn't seem to me like any better chance of getting an elite QB.
It probably says it's just hard in general.

However, I would say you pick a QB you believe in whenever you have the chance.
If the Vikes have a QB they like in this class... and Carolina offered up the #6... do it.
If the Vikes have a path to get Russ Wilson... do it.
If KOC believes in Kirk... do that.

I also really like taking a shot on Mond... if he is the next Dak/Russ Wilson... you take a huge step forward.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 5:26:25 PM

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Some small SI bits from the intro press conferences for Phillips Donnatel.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/new-vikings-oc-wes-phillips-implementing-kevin-oconnell-vision

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/new-vikings-defensive-coordinator-ed-donatell-danielle-hunter-scheme-fronts

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 6:02:09 PM

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Manusky LBers coach:

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/25/report-vikings-hiring-greg-manusky-linebackers-coach/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 6:09:09 PM

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Manusky LBers coach:

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/25/report-vikings-hiring-greg-manusky-linebackers-coach/

Funny the article doesn't even mention that he played for us for 3 years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 6:35:31 PM

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You ignore all the games that he did his job and someone else lost it late

Is it his job to put the game out of reach when the opportunity is there so one late mishap doesn’t lead to a loss?

Bunch of bs

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 6:47:36 PM

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I call it hate

You can label it whatever you want … whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Has nothing to do with me.

I’m not going to go around saying you have the hots for Cousins … just because you have a more optimistic perspective.

You obviously don't know me well if you think that's why I speak out when I feel the treatment of his play is bs. Just the way I'm wired - treat someone unfair and I can't help myself

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 7:46:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.

Where do get these? Surely not off the top of your head.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 7:48:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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Murray know his body isn’t going to hold up.

That’s why he can’t wait until year 6.

I'm pretty sure it's just I want mine now!

He should have asked before forking his team in the playoffs by throwing the worst pick6 of the decade.

That's why he wants it now. He knows a couple more of them and he ain't get the fiddy.

Pretty sure he ain't getting the fiddy anywho.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 7:51:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I call it hate

You can label it whatever you want … whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Has nothing to do with me.

I’m not going to go around saying you have the hots for Cousins … just because you have a more optimistic perspective.

You obviously don't know me well if you think that's why I speak out when I feel the treatment of his play is bs. Just the way I'm wired - treat someone unfair and I can't help myself

You are right, I don’t know you … any better than you know me.

Your are perfectly entitled to speak out against unfairness. Nobody should dispute that.

Your perception of what’s fair and unfair? We disagree.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 8:00:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.

Where do get these? Surely not off the top of your head.

I know, ridiculous. I was typing my response on my phone in a home depot …

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 8:15:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.

Where do get these? Surely not off the top of your head.

I know, ridiculous. I was typing my response on my phone in a home depot …

You going to be at a strip club any time soon?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 8:29:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.

Where do get these? Surely not off the top of your head.

I know, ridiculous. I was typing my response on my phone in a home depot …

You going to be at a strip club any time soon?

Are we still talking about lacquer removal or are you asking about my weekend plans?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 8:29:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I call it hate

You can label it whatever you want … whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Has nothing to do with me.

I’m not going to go around saying you have the hots for Cousins … just because you have a more optimistic perspective.

You obviously don't know me well if you think that's why I speak out when I feel the treatment of his play is bs. Just the way I'm wired - treat someone unfair and I can't help myself

You are right, I don’t know you … any better than you know me.

Your are perfectly entitled to speak out against unfairness. Nobody should dispute that.

Your perception of what’s fair and unfair? We disagree.

That's cool! There never seems to be any animosity disagreeing with you.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 9:00:28 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

I call it hate

You can label it whatever you want … whatever makes you feel good about yourself. Has nothing to do with me.

I’m not going to go around saying you have the hots for Cousins … just because you have a more optimistic perspective.

You obviously don't know me well if you think that's why I speak out when I feel the treatment of his play is bs. Just the way I'm wired - treat someone unfair and I can't help myself

You are right, I don’t know you … any better than you know me.

Your are perfectly entitled to speak out against unfairness. Nobody should dispute that.

Your perception of what’s fair and unfair? We disagree.

That's cool! There never seems to be any animosity disagreeing with you.

Not towards you dude.

I obviously fly off the handle at times ... take this stuff too seriously ...

don't always respond respectfully – that's usually me trying to be funny and failing miserably ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 10:25:56 PM

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I think if Rodgers stays put, the Broncos would try to get Wilson or Cousins.

Any idea what the Broncos might offer for Cousins ?

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