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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2022 10:31:52 PM   
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Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.




Where do get these? Surely not off the top of your head.

I know, ridiculous. I was typing my response on my phone in a home depot …


You going to be at a strip club any time soon?

Are we still talking about lacquer removal or are you asking about my weekend plans?


I was just curious what might fly off your fingers while hosting a lap dance.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 2:23:32 AM   
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okay, and then there's this....


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According to @PAOnTheMic, Kirk Cousins worked hard behind the scenes to get Kevin O'Connell hired as #Vikings head coach.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 6:42:43 AM   
Todd M

 

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 6:47:16 AM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 7:54:52 AM   
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Seems like a lot of others on our favorite team screwed the pooch in high value games last year - why is that never factored into the hate? ... hmmm

Really?

Who else touches the ball as much or carries as much responsibility or sucks up as much of the cap to deserve equal consideration?

You call it hate … I call it well-deserved criticism. And the more posters try and lacquer over the QBs shortcomings, the more turpentine is required to strip away the sticky gloss.




Where do get these? Surely not off the top of your head.

I know, ridiculous. I was typing my response on my phone in a home depot …


You going to be at a strip club any time soon?

Are we still talking about lacquer removal or are you asking about my weekend plans?


I was just curious what might fly off your fingers while hosting a lap dance.

Straight cash homey.

now ... back to Cousins' audibles ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 8:53:28 AM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

PA is certainly plugged in at times, so I wouldn't dismiss it offhand. Prior to the 2017 draft, he raved and raved about Cooper Kupp, presumably because he knew the Vikings liked him. Turns out Kupp was drafted at #69 in the 3rd round, and the Vikings drafted Pat Elflein at #70.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 8:57:01 AM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

Of course there's nothing to it ... it's the last thing you wanted to read today about the Vikings - ha ha!

But, I agree, there's a lot of stuff flying around
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:20:18 AM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

PA is certainly plugged in at times, so I wouldn't dismiss it offhand. Prior to the 2017 draft, he raved and raved about Cooper Kupp, presumably because he knew the Vikings liked him. Turns out Kupp was drafted at #69 in the 3rd round, and the Vikings drafted Pat Elflein at #70.



Ouch! That's almost as bad as taking Derrick Alexander the pick before Warren Sapp ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:21:22 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:40:30 AM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

I believe Stafford is a better QB than Cousins when it matters most, in crunch-time and on the fly ... BUT

Stafford's overall won-loss record – which is a very poor indicator [there's nothing out there that tells the whole story] – is much worse ... albeit with the Lions.

It would NOT be hard for me to imagine O'Connell thinking he personally coached Stafford out of a sub-par career and into a SB winning QB, also thinking he could do the same with Cousins ...

I myself don't see it happening for Cousins for several reasons ... but it will be interesting to get that first real clue whether KOC is planning to ride KC for one year / more years / not at all.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:44:16 AM   
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Couple of weeks to bat this back and forth but I'm going to put it at 80-20 he's their guy this year.

I do agree with this.

I believe the contract narrows the options quite a bit ...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:45:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's what I wish god would say to Kirk...

Listen, you've taken a couple stabs at interpreting my advice. Play for 1 year contracts, sign fully guaranteed...

This is what you're doing 1, tear up your contract. 2, Sign a 3 year deal for 75 million. You get 25 each year and they'll add 15 million each year you make the SB and another 10 for winning one.


(also...stop being a little bitch grip it and rip it) *probably

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:46:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since a new team would have to commit to most of the $35 or $45 million (?) salary, deal with him being a FA next year, and cough up trade assets, I think it's a virtual certainty there will be no takers and KC will be here next year.

And good luck to any team negotiating his next contract what with him being used to getting moon. He's PAID to be a difference maker but has delivered an overall .500 career record (if PTI is correct)... .500 in the regular season and .500 in a whopping two career playoff games.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:50:13 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 9:51:24 AM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

PA is certainly plugged in at times, so I wouldn't dismiss it offhand. Prior to the 2017 draft, he raved and raved about Cooper Kupp, presumably because he knew the Vikings liked him. Turns out Kupp was drafted at #69 in the 3rd round, and the Vikings drafted Pat Elflein at #70.



Ouch! That's almost as bad as taking Derrick Alexander the pick before Warren Sapp ...

Easy to see how Sapp would have put the Vikings over the top in 1998.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 10:02:38 AM   
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Since a new team would have to commit to most of the $35 or $45 million (?) salary, deal with him being a FA next year, and cough up trade assets, I think it's a virtual certainty there will be no takers and KC will be here next year.

And good luck to any team negotiating his next contract what with him being used to getting moon. He's PAID to be a difference maker but has delivered an overall .500 career record (if PTI is correct)... .500 in the regular season and .500 in a whopping two career playoff games.

Virtual certainty yes. There is the very slight possibility that we negotiate a deal with another team, convert $XX salary in to a St. Patricks or St. Agnatha Polycarps Day bonus ...

just for cap relief and to clear the deck for a fresh start (draft choice+Mond)

with a definite step back in 2022 production from 2021.

Nobody is going to trade nuthin if they have to put up more than an avg QB salary into a one year rental. Much less add draft picks.

Even if your QB is named Darnold or Taysom Hill.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 12:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		It makes quite a bit of sense to trade Cousins, and to trade him now. His value is high.

His stats are great, someone can get fooled, like the Vikings' did. He would be a shiny new toy to a new team, whereas Viking fans are where Washington fans were with him after a few years.

I think you could swap 1sts with someone like Carolina and Denver to move up in this year's draft, and them also give the Vikings a 2nd round pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 2:23:55 PM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

I believe Stafford is a better QB than Cousins when it matters most, in crunch-time and on the fly ... BUT

Stafford's overall won-loss record – which is a very poor indicator [there's nothing out there that tells the whole story] – is much worse ... albeit with the Lions.

It would NOT be hard for me to imagine O'Connell thinking he personally coached Stafford out of a sub-par career and into a SB winning QB, also thinking he could do the same with Cousins ...

I myself don't see it happening for Cousins for several reasons ... but it will be interesting to get that first real clue whether KOC is planning to ride KC for one year / more years / not at all.


It's kinda of funny to me that I think this the first time I've ever heard of anyone referencing Stafford's record as a QB - and because like you said at the end of the sentence, "albeit with the Lions." And that makes sense!

For Kirk you can't say: he couldn't even call a TO or he'd feel the wrath from the old school, reference revolving door of weak ass OCs, a defense that lets Det drive the field and take a win away from him, and another loss due to a missed fg, but he wasn't ahead by enough so it was still his fault, a fumble that wasn't and I'm sure there's more but it doesn't matter, cause it's ... well you know ;)

But it is true, that contract is a bugger ...

- and I'm getting tired of pointing out that if only Cousins had a decent team ... who can I tag?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 3:07:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did God ever tell Cousins to get vaccinated? You know, so he could help the team and not have to sit out a game late in the season. Or are he and God fine as long as KC can hog 20% of the team's cap?

"So, I'm going to be vigilant about avoiding a close contact. I've even thought about, should I even set up, literally, Plexiglas around where I sit, so that this could never happen again? I thought about it, 'cause I'm gonna do whatever it takes."

There's a mind at work! Was it to be a transportable type of structure, or would there be several of them for good old Kirk? Would he have paid? Why didn't he follow through on his well-thought out plan to do "whatever it takes"?

Heck, he'd love to be "literally" plexiglassed in, even without COVID.

What a doofus.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 3:12:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe if Cousins would have settled for a few million less each year, the improved cap situation could have helped the team.

Or, gasp, call an audible.

Or not throw the ball away... literally in the back of the end zone.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 3:18:37 PM   
Tom Sykes

 

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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

I believe Stafford is a better QB than Cousins when it matters most, in crunch-time and on the fly ... BUT

Stafford's overall won-loss record – which is a very poor indicator [there's nothing out there that tells the whole story] – is much worse ... albeit with the Lions.

It would NOT be hard for me to imagine O'Connell thinking he personally coached Stafford out of a sub-par career and into a SB winning QB, also thinking he could do the same with Cousins ...

I myself don't see it happening for Cousins for several reasons ... but it will be interesting to get that first real clue whether KOC is planning to ride KC for one year / more years / not at all.


It's kinda of funny to me that I think this the first time I've ever heard of anyone referencing Stafford's record as a QB - and because like you said at the end of the sentence, "albeit with the Lions." And that makes sense!

For Kirk you can't say: he couldn't even call a TO or he'd feel the wrath from the old school, reference revolving door of weak ass OCs, a defense that lets Det drive the field and take a win away from him, and another loss due to a missed fg, but he wasn't ahead by enough so it was still his fault, a fumble that wasn't and I'm sure there's more but it doesn't matter, cause it's ... well you know ;)

But it is true, that contract is a bugger ...

- and I'm getting tired of pointing out that if only Cousins had a decent team ... who can I tag?

You are kind of a lonely voice in the wilderness ... a sunbaked scraggly half-starved wormy madman scratching for prickly tubers in the dirt while ranting and raving about KCs sweet completion percentage.

Well ... there's also Marty but he probably looks like that in town ... he's holding a sign 'Oodles of draft picks for Kirk' ... not only is he way off but his uncoordinated sign spinning dance moves are an embarrassment.

No, if Cousins comes through under O'Connell and delivers ... you'll own that. You get to slam just about everybody in here ... repeatedly and for a long time.

But this is counting money in front of the poor ... I don't see that happening.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 3:21:05 PM   
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Did God ever tell Cousins to get vaccinated? You know, so he could help the team and not have to sit out a game late in the season. Or are he and God fine as long as KC can hog 20% of the team's cap?

"So, I'm going to be vigilant about avoiding a close contact. I've even thought about, should I even set up, literally, Plexiglas around where I sit, so that this could never happen again? I thought about it, 'cause I'm gonna do whatever it takes."

There's a mind at work! Was it to be a transportable type of structure, or would there be several of them for good old Kirk? Would he have paid? Why didn't he follow through on his well-thought out plan to do "whatever it takes"?

Heck, he'd love to be "literally" plexiglassed in, even without COVID.

What a doofus.

You have no idea. Plexiglass helmets are a thing of the future.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 3:33:39 PM   
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Maybe if Cousins would have settled for a few million less each year, the improved cap situation could have helped the team.

Or, gasp, call an audible.

Or not throw the ball away... literally in the back of the end zone.


On 4th down.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 3:41:08 PM   
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Worked hard. Besides endorsing him I doubt there's much to that



I'm with you, but you never know....

I believe Stafford is a better QB than Cousins when it matters most, in crunch-time and on the fly ... BUT

Stafford's overall won-loss record – which is a very poor indicator [there's nothing out there that tells the whole story] – is much worse ... albeit with the Lions.

It would NOT be hard for me to imagine O'Connell thinking he personally coached Stafford out of a sub-par career and into a SB winning QB, also thinking he could do the same with Cousins ...

I myself don't see it happening for Cousins for several reasons ... but it will be interesting to get that first real clue whether KOC is planning to ride KC for one year / more years / not at all.


It's kinda of funny to me that I think this the first time I've ever heard of anyone referencing Stafford's record as a QB - and because like you said at the end of the sentence, "albeit with the Lions." And that makes sense!

For Kirk you can't say: he couldn't even call a TO or he'd feel the wrath from the old school, reference revolving door of weak ass OCs, a defense that lets Det drive the field and take a win away from him, and another loss due to a missed fg, but he wasn't ahead by enough so it was still his fault, a fumble that wasn't and I'm sure there's more but it doesn't matter, cause it's ... well you know ;)

But it is true, that contract is a bugger ...

- and I'm getting tired of pointing out that if only Cousins had a decent team ... who can I tag?

Also ...

two QBs play well for two bad teams ... they have poor winning percentages.

QB 1 gets moved to a new team that will spare no expense to buy a SB. And he wins it all!

QB 2 plays out his franchise hostaging contract and then moves to South America where he assumes there are no Egyptians and he starts a huarache manufacturing operation.

The difference?

Even on bad teams, QB 1 is considered very good under pressure ... even top ten all-time for game winning drives in some rankings. Even on one of the worst franchises in football.

QB 2 is considered statistically good but he can never seem to make enough positive plays to overcome the negative plays that he and his cohorts keep shooting themselves in the foot with. This has been consistently true over ten years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2022 5:43:04 PM   
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I don’t think there’s a single QB in NFL history who put up top 10 stats every single year & is still disrespected the way Kirk Cousins is.

I know stats aren’t everything, but when a guy is statistically great every season for 7 straight years, maybe he’s just great…

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