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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 9:38:51 AM

Todd M

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Hard pass on paying 35 million to ditch Cousins.

Pay the extra 10 roll the dice and make him win, possibly accept getting us to a SB to see another year with us.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 9:41:01 AM

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I'd chip in 10 but I'd still want some draft stock.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 9:44:40 AM

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I'd chip in 10 but I'd still want some draft stock.

i think we'll get picks and save cap space, but i just wanted to put out a deal that saves us cap, but looks raw....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 10:19:00 AM

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I didn't realize Cousins had a no trade clause in his contract? Cousins certainly doesn't seem like the type to give up his money by not playing.

I don’t believe KC has a no trade clause.

But with 45m guaranteed, I do’t believe he can be moved without agreeing to be moved without going to arbitration which would prolong / mess up the deal anyway.

A pure guess on my part.

I think he has most of the leverage regardless. I don’t see that converting into a win-win any way you calculate it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 10:56:00 AM

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Unsubstanciated unverified non-sourced hot take: Aaron Rodgers was Denver's second choice and he broke the news of him returning to Green Bay even though there was no signed contract, no contract details, no official announcement, no nothing so as to make it look like he was their first choice.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 11:28:58 AM

Todd M

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No problem buying that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 11:38:32 AM

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Not sure if we have the cash to get Bobby Wagner for a year, but it looks as if the Seahawks are going to let him go.

Terron Armstead is another we should take a run at.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 11:40:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

I didn't realize Cousins had a no trade clause in his contract? Cousins certainly doesn't seem like the type to give up his money by not playing.

I don’t believe KC has a no trade clause.

But with 45m guaranteed, I do’t believe he can be moved without agreeing to be moved without going to arbitration which would prolong / mess up the deal anyway.

A pure guess on my part.

I think he has most of the leverage regardless. I don’t see that converting into a win-win any way you calculate it.

I don't think there are any restrictions on moving him at all. Just a matter of finding an interested party and deciding on compensation. He can complicate matters by saying he won't sign an extension with his new team, but that's about it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 11:42:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

I didn't realize Cousins had a no trade clause in his contract? Cousins certainly doesn't seem like the type to give up his money by not playing.

I don’t believe KC has a no trade clause.

But with 45m guaranteed, I do’t believe he can be moved without agreeing to be moved without going to arbitration which would prolong / mess up the deal anyway.

A pure guess on my part.

I think he has most of the leverage regardless. I don’t see that converting into a win-win any way you calculate it.

I don't think there are any restrictions on moving him at all. Just a matter of finding an interested party and deciding on compensation. He can complicate matters by saying he won't sign an extension with his new team, but that's about it.

The question is, is anybody interested? I wouldn't be. Denver was a team with a huge need and they never once showed any interest in Cousins. They went after a guy that can run a two-minute offense.

Seattle has completely waived the white flag and told the football world they are in rebuild mode. The traded Wilson and now are letting go of Bobby Wagner.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 3/9/2022 11:47:56 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:06:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

I didn't realize Cousins had a no trade clause in his contract? Cousins certainly doesn't seem like the type to give up his money by not playing.

I don’t believe KC has a no trade clause.

But with 45m guaranteed, I do’t believe he can be moved without agreeing to be moved without going to arbitration which would prolong / mess up the deal anyway.

A pure guess on my part.

I think he has most of the leverage regardless. I don’t see that converting into a win-win any way you calculate it.

I don't think there are any restrictions on moving him at all. Just a matter of finding an interested party and deciding on compensation. He can complicate matters by saying he won't sign an extension with his new team, but that's about it.

You don't think he could say he didn't want to play for the new team ... even if it means sitting out a year? Given his vaccine approach, I think he could be very stubbornly effect a deal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:08:20 PM 1 votes

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quote:

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All I want is a 2nd round pick and clearance from that contract.

Go to battle with Mond and a pick with our best 2nd rounder.

Let the Chips fall where they may.

I don’t know … the no news thing is starting to smell bad, like an extesion in the works. I don’t think we could move KC unless we offered a real bad deal for us … and the new regime is probably gunshy about that or for any big splashes anyway. Cousins for another two-three years has a built in excuse … we walked into it and this deal will allow us to build a team under, around and through him. And in the meantime we will be grooming our guy (drafted this year or next).

I think this the most realistic path forward. Its also my worst case scenario so I wouldn’t bet against it.

If the first thing Kwesi and O'Connell do is sign Cousins to an extension, then the Wilfs made a horrible mistake signing both of them. Hitching your wagon to the QB that just got the previous regime fired would be an epic failure of reasoning.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:14:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

I didn't realize Cousins had a no trade clause in his contract? Cousins certainly doesn't seem like the type to give up his money by not playing.

I don’t believe KC has a no trade clause.

But with 45m guaranteed, I do’t believe he can be moved without agreeing to be moved without going to arbitration which would prolong / mess up the deal anyway.

A pure guess on my part.

I think he has most of the leverage regardless. I don’t see that converting into a win-win any way you calculate it.

I don't think there are any restrictions on moving him at all. Just a matter of finding an interested party and deciding on compensation. He can complicate matters by saying he won't sign an extension with his new team, but that's about it.

The question is, is anybody interested? I wouldn't be. Denver was a team with a huge need and they never once showed any interest in Cousins. They went after a guy that can run a two-minute offense.

Seattle has completely waived the white flag and told the football world they are in rebuild mode. The traded Wilson and now are letting go of Bobby Wagner.

First of all, you don't have any way of knowing that.

Second, any lack of interest in Cousins by QB desperate teams is most likely about the 1 year overpriced deal, not his two minute adequacy. On any given Sunday he's better than 15ish starters in the league ... a fair value contract and he'd be gone already, easily.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:19:10 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

All I want is a 2nd round pick and clearance from that contract.

Go to battle with Mond and a pick with our best 2nd rounder.

Let the Chips fall where they may.

I don’t know … the no news thing is starting to smell bad, like an extesion in the works. I don’t think we could move KC unless we offered a real bad deal for us … and the new regime is probably gunshy about that or for any big splashes anyway. Cousins for another two-three years has a built in excuse … we walked into it and this deal will allow us to build a team under, around and through him. And in the meantime we will be grooming our guy (drafted this year or next).

I think this the most realistic path forward. Its also my worst case scenario so I wouldn’t bet against it.

If the first thing Kwesi and O'Connell do is sign Cousins to an extension, then the Wilfs made a horrible mistake signing both of them. Hitching your wagon to the QB that just got the previous regime fired would be an epic failure of reasoning.

I don't disagree at all. I can see them spread out the 45M cap hit over two years ... just for breathing room.

But ... I don't care if O'Connell spent a year with Cousins in WA ... if they extend him in any way, the clock is ticking on a new GM QB set and best buddies KAM-KOC are joining the French Foreign Legion on a two for one deal.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:19:11 PM

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Not sure if we have the cash to get Bobby Wagner for a year, but it looks as if the Seahawks are going to let him go.

Terron Armstead is another we should take a run at.

There's going to be an avalanche of quality players being released as we reach the deadline to be under the cap. Jim and Pat talked about it in detail on yesterday's Moving the Chains. Specifically they dug into Green Bay's situation. They said even if Rodgers' new deal saves them space the amount of players Green Bay will need to cut to make Davonte Adams fit is staggering. They said both Smiths, the kicker, safety Adrian Amos and possibly more will have to be cut.

I'll risk sounding like a broken record player but the time has never been better to clear the deck and rebuild. We'll need cap space to pick up some of the players that become cap casualties. Cousins, Hunter, Thielen, and Smith are where that money comes from. This year's draft is loaded with DE talent. We'd have to roll the dice and hope for a QB in next year's draft. If it works we're set. If it fails we try again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:22:39 PM

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Not sure if we have the cash to get Bobby Wagner for a year, but it looks as if the Seahawks are going to let him go.

Terron Armstead is another we should take a run at.

i would be all over that...kendricks and wagner in the middle with hunter and wonnum on the edges....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:47:40 PM

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One week to get under the cap…

If this regime extends Cousins..

I’ll lose my respect for the Wilfs and the new GM..

Suck it up..

Burn the bridges..

Cousins 45 million cap hit is unavoidable.. unless we extend, or offer to pay a huge chunk of it to ANY team that wants him..

The next six players on the salary totem pole account for ~48 million dollars in cap.

Theilen, cook, Hunter, Kendrick, Harrison Smith and pierce..

Kendrick’s is the only one I feel has played his contract value.

His cap hit is 5.6 million, his dead is 7.5 million.

That’s where we are..

~ 42% or 90+ million in cap, tied up in 7 total players..

**** Spielman all to hell..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 12:48:37 PM

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Not sure if we have the cash to get Bobby Wagner for a year, but it looks as if the Seahawks are going to let him go.

Terron Armstead is another we should take a run at.

I am not a fan of paying LBs, safeties, or RBs a lot of money.

Mack hasn't propelled the Bears to anything.

The ability to cover WR and generate a pass rush are the keys to a good defense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 1:08:19 PM

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DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Commanders acquired QB Carson Wentz from the Colts.
ESPN's Adam Schefter added that the deal is expected to include two third-round picks. He also noted that Washington is picking up the tab for all $28 million of Wentz's contract in 2022. After falling apart in the Colts' Week 18 loss to the Jaguars, Wentz's days in Indy were numbered. All reports after the conclusion of their season only confirmed this sentiment. Wentz improved after reuniting with Frank Reich in Indianapolis but he failed to show the ceiling that earned him a mega-contract in Philly. Instead, he simply cut back on the mistakes while handing the ball off to Jonathan Taylor. The Commanders are stocked with talent on defense and has a core of young skill-position players on offense. Their front office clearly believes that they are one average quarterback away from being a serious contender. To their credit, the quarterback play in Washington has been middling to atrocious in recent years. Wentz will help boost the team's floor but it remains to be seen if he is capable of leading his team to the playoffs anymore.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 1:14:09 PM

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Indy now has nothing at QB but they don't have a #1 in this year's draft either. Would they trade next year's #1 for Kirk and pick up his salary? Please?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 1:46:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pauldiercks1

I didn't realize Cousins had a no trade clause in his contract? Cousins certainly doesn't seem like the type to give up his money by not playing.

I don’t believe KC has a no trade clause.

But with 45m guaranteed, I do’t believe he can be moved without agreeing to be moved without going to arbitration which would prolong / mess up the deal anyway.

A pure guess on my part.

I think he has most of the leverage regardless. I don’t see that converting into a win-win any way you calculate it.

I don't think there are any restrictions on moving him at all. Just a matter of finding an interested party and deciding on compensation. He can complicate matters by saying he won't sign an extension with his new team, but that's about it.

You don't think he could say he didn't want to play for the new team ... even if it means sitting out a year? Given his vaccine approach, I think he could be very stubbornly effect a deal.

I think he's shown that money trumps all with him, so I don't see him doing anything to risk those paychecks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 1:47:50 PM

Daniel Lee Young

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At this point I’d give them our first to take cousins, and just ask for like a 2nd next years 1 back…

Lol

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 1:52:51 PM

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DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Commanders acquired QB Carson Wentz from the Colts.
ESPN's Adam Schefter added that the deal is expected to include two third-round picks. He also noted that Washington is picking up the tab for all $28 million of Wentz's contract in 2022. After falling apart in the Colts' Week 18 loss to the Jaguars, Wentz's days in Indy were numbered. All reports after the conclusion of their season only confirmed this sentiment. Wentz improved after reuniting with Frank Reich in Indianapolis but he failed to show the ceiling that earned him a mega-contract in Philly. Instead, he simply cut back on the mistakes while handing the ball off to Jonathan Taylor. The Commanders are stocked with talent on defense and has a core of young skill-position players on offense. Their front office clearly believes that they are one average quarterback away from being a serious contender. To their credit, the quarterback play in Washington has been middling to atrocious in recent years. Wentz will help boost the team's floor but it remains to be seen if he is capable of leading his team to the playoffs anymore.

But if we want to go QB, that's one less team in the way. Plus the above says 'The Commanders are stocked with talent on defense' so that might help if we are looking at CB or DL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 1:55:51 PM

Bill Johanesen

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At this point I’d give them our first to take cousins, and just ask for like a 2nd next years 1 back…

Lol

A few years ago wasn't there a team who sent assets out along with a QB in order to get rid of him?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 2:16:43 PM

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At this point I’d give them our first to take cousins, and just ask for like a 2nd next years 1 back…

Lol

A few years ago wasn't there a team who sent assets out along with a QB in order to get rid of him?

that was denver trading brock osweller...also, the rams did that by sending goff to detroit....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 3/9/2022 2:16:59 PM

ratoppenheimer

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One week to get under the cap…

If this regime extends Cousins..

I’ll lose my respect for the Wilfs and the new GM..

Suck it up..

Burn the bridges..

Cousins 45 million cap hit is unavoidable.. unless we extend, or offer to pay a huge chunk of it to ANY team that wants him..

The next six players on the salary totem pole account for ~48 million dollars in cap.

Theilen, cook, Hunter, Kendrick, Harrison Smith and pierce..

Kendrick’s is the only one I feel has played his contract value.

His cap hit is 5.6 million, his dead is 7.5 million.

That’s where we are..

~ 42% or 90+ million in cap, tied up in 7 total players..

**** Spielman all to hell..

in 2022 kendricks cap hit is $13.5mm...his dead cap is $5.9mm....

I'm in the trade cousins camp, but i also understand the people that want to keep him for the 2022 season...maybe o'connell can turn him around, turn the team around...all we need is a Center, maybe a guard, and a CB...maybe we can make a run next season....

do the following and we'll have enough cap space to contend with cousins in 2022:

add void years thing with cousins....

redo hunter, theilen, smith, kendricks...let go pierce and ham....

sign free agent center, guard, cb....

draft cb, wr, cb....

if the above doesn't work out we can fire theilen, smith, kendricks, and cook next year to clear some cap space for a rebuild....

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