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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So Zimmer's solution to Bradbury was to try and add size next to him. Udoh, Cole, no-show Wyatt

I thought this was just Zimmer being his typical unhinged self.

O'Connell' solution is to throw a quantity of 2-3 tier FAs next to him. Reed (2 yr deal), J. Davis (1 yr deal), Davis (rookie deal), Udoh (rookie deal), Schlottman (1 yr deal).

I take it all back, I'm now begging to get on the Linderbomb at #12 tiny wagon.

Linderbaum's draft profile is essentially a copy/paste of Bradbury's

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

So Zimmer's solution to Bradbury was to try and add size next to him. Udoh, Cole, no-show Wyatt

I thought this was just Zimmer being his typical unhinged self.

O'Connell' solution is to throw a quantity of 2-3 tier FAs next to him. Reed (2 yr deal), J. Davis (1 yr deal), Davis (rookie deal), Udoh (rookie deal), Schlottman (1 yr deal).

I take it all back, I'm now begging to get on the Lindenbomb at #12 tiny wagon.

Dream scenario would be to trade with Pittsburgh for #20 and a 1st and 3rd in 2023.

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: David F.

If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed.

Bingo!

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: David F.

If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed.

Bingo!

I love it.

every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him?

I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: David F.

If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed.

Bingo!

I love it.

every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him?

I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game.

You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"?

I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: David F.

If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed.

Bingo!

I love it.

every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him?

I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game.

You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"?

I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster.

You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? Never said that.

You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? Yep. Hook it to my veins!!!

You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Never said that.

Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. Never said that.

That's reasonable.

Come on.

You're not even giving them a chance.

So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? Nope - his money is guaranteed so he's the backup now.

For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights.

When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him.

But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury.

It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp.

and you've already thrown in the towel.

Have some faith.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: David F.

If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed.

Bingo!

I love it.

every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him?

I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game.

You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"?

I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster.

You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? Never said that.

You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? Yep. Hook it to my veins!!!

You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Never said that.

Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. Never said that.

That's reasonable.

Come on.

You're not even giving them a chance.

So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? Nope - his money is guaranteed so he's the backup now.

For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights.

When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him.

But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury.

It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp.

and you've already thrown in the towel.

Have some faith.

Garrett Bradbury is Jeff Christy. That's what you're saying?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: David F.

If they don’t replace Bradbury then I’ll start the “Fire Kwesi” and/or “Fire O’Connell” chant at the very first home game. This is the simplest decision anyone could encounter. If they can’t even do that we’re screwed.

Bingo!

I love it.

every time a new regime takes over. some fans are ready to pull out the torches and pitchforks.

Bradbury was the best C coming out of college the year he was drafted. Zimmer's staffs were always terrible at Oline coaching. Perhaps a new regime can get more out of him?

I don't think we need to throw out the new regime before they've even played a single game.

You think Bradbury can be taught to not get blown back five yards like he's weightless on pass plays? Further - you think that in three years of atrocious on-field performance the main problem was that the organization just couldn't find someone that could "get more out of him"?

I just sent a billionaire $11,000 for the privilege to watch nine football games. You better damn well believe I expect the bare minimum in terms of decision making on the roster.

You really aren't going to give this front office any time to correct the problems? Never said that.

You really gave all that money to a product you KNOW is defective? Yep. Hook it to my veins!!!

You really aren't going to give KOC a chance to correct this though coaching/scheme? Never said that.

Let's just give up on KAM and KOC before they've even had ONE practice. Never said that.

That's reasonable.

Come on.

You're not even giving them a chance.

So say they draft the next Birk. You still going to demand the outright release of Bradbury? Nope - his money is guaranteed so he's the backup now.

For years we had the Zimmer run Oline. If he proved anything over the years is that he did not know how to coach Oline one little bit. He may have hired previously good Oline coaches but the appearance is Zimmer's way or the highway so it was all Zim. and he didn't have a clue how to coach them up. Maybe KOC has some new insights.

When the Vikings had Jeff Christy as the OC on an amazing line, he was undersized and they found a way to scheme around it and we did great. Zimmer didn't know how to do that. That, imo, is a huge reason why Bradbury has failed, and Elflein before him.

But the point of my original post had nothing to do with Bradbury.

It was all about two posters already giving up on a new GM and Coach before we've even had a single practice. Before we've played any games. No draft., no OTAs, No camp.

and you've already thrown in the towel.

Have some faith.

Garrett Bradbury is Jeff Christy. That's what you're saying?

NO. What I said is Christy was undersized and a smarter coaching staff schemed around that. Zimmer never could do that. You could tell by the stubborn ass playcalling and antiquated gameplans.

Bradbury's deficiencies could be schemed around with better coaching. and it is conceivable that KOC sees a flaw that can be corrected in Bradbury's game.

You've already decided that you will chant fire KOC and Fire Kwesi if they don't replace a center.

That's ludicrous. There are numerous factors in why they haven't addressed Bradbury yet. 1. There just weren't any Cs that would be better that they could afford in FA with our cap situation. 2. they have their eye on another rookie or two in the Draft. 3. They saw a greater need to shore up the defense, especially the DBs with FA. 4. they may, as I have mentioned before, have noticed a flaw they think they can correct in Bradbury's game.

There may be many more reasons.

I refuse to judge the success/failure of their plan before they've played a game.

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ORIGINAL: marty

I could see Aaron Rodgers getting disinterested by mid season, dealing with a rebuild, and a tough schedule. He'll just be happy he got his money, like Kirk has been.

The Vikes have a chance at winning the division, if Kirk is motivated to prove he is better than mediocre.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Before last season, I would have had Cousins and Stafford ranked about the same, maybe Cousins slightly higher.

The Vikes used to hit Stafford a few times early, and then the Vikings would go on to beat the Lions.

There is no reason why the Vikings can't be have a top offense with Kirk, and win the Super Bowl with O'Connell at the controls. Kirk just needs a little motivation.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I wonder how much further back in time you have to go to find a worse team. Or if there was. If it wasn't the worst ever it has to be close.

That is Zimmer's legacy. The biggest bitch prevent defense the last qtr century maybe ever.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

From warren sharp’s Twitter:

the Vikings allowed TDs on 32.4% of opponent drives in the final 4 minutes before halftime or the end of the game

worst in the NFL

NFL average was 12%

#31 was 20.6%

not only did they rank #32 in the NFL last season...

they ranked #686 of 686 teams since at least 2000