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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/safety-security/article/15288320/nfl-concerned-about-special-teams-injuries

It’s all here. One-in-six concussions and roughly 30% of knee injuries.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/safety-security/article/15288320/nfl-concerned-about-special-teams-injuries

It’s all here. One-in-six concussions and roughly 30% of knee injuries.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/safety-security/article/15288320/nfl-concerned-about-special-teams-injuries

It’s all here. One-in-six concussions and roughly 30% of knee injuries.

I read the link and it's a higher % of injuries particularly on punts which I was a little surprised about. The one in 6 concussions was pretty much average as the article said special teams plays accounted for 17% of all plays. Please give me the list of players that have had their careers end due to KO and PR injuries. I'm not saying people don't get injured on these plays. They do. However, your original claim was career ending injuries.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/safety-security/article/15288320/nfl-concerned-about-special-teams-injuries

It’s all here. One-in-six concussions and roughly 30% of knee injuries.

I read the link and it's a higher % of injuries particularly on punts which I was a little surprised about. The one in 6 concussions was pretty much average as the article said special teams plays accounted for 17% of all plays. Please give me the list of players that have had their careers end due to KO and PR injuries. I'm not saying people don't get injured on these plays. They do. However, your original claim was career ending injuries.

Nope. Post your stats that you read. I’m not going to allow you to sit back and make unfounded non-credible fictitious opinions and then just say ‘prove me wrong’. That’s not how discussions work. Post your stats that you read.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

If you're really concerned about the welfare of the players, shut the sport down.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/safety-security/article/15288320/nfl-concerned-about-special-teams-injuries

It’s all here. One-in-six concussions and roughly 30% of knee injuries.

I read the link and it's a higher % of injuries particularly on punts which I was a little surprised about. The one in 6 concussions was pretty much average as the article said special teams plays accounted for 17% of all plays. Please give me the list of players that have had their careers end due to KO and PR injuries. I'm not saying people don't get injured on these plays. They do. However, your original claim was career ending injuries.

Nope. Post your stats that you read. I’m not going to allow you to sit back and make unfounded non-credible fictitious opinions and then just say ‘prove me wrong’. That’s not how discussions work. Post your stats that you read.

DF I'm confident they're similar to the stats you posted. It was 5 or 10 years ago I saw them. Yours are just updated versions of the same stats. There isn't much difference and the only severe injury on a return that I know of in my 52 years of following pro football is Jason Sehorn. It didn't actually end his career, but he never came back to what he was. That's why I'm asking you to list all the career ending injuries from kick/punt returns. I don't even know of one. You claimed career ending so why don't you stop posting unfounded non-credible fictitious opinions and then just say ‘prove me wrong. That’s not how discussions work. Post your stats of career ending injuries from kick/punt returns.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/safety-security/article/15288320/nfl-concerned-about-special-teams-injuries

It’s all here. One-in-six concussions and roughly 30% of knee injuries.

I read the link and it's a higher % of injuries particularly on punts which I was a little surprised about. The one in 6 concussions was pretty much average as the article said special teams plays accounted for 17% of all plays. Please give me the list of players that have had their careers end due to KO and PR injuries. I'm not saying people don't get injured on these plays. They do. However, your original claim was career ending injuries.

Nope. Post your stats that you read. I’m not going to allow you to sit back and make unfounded non-credible fictitious opinions and then just say ‘prove me wrong’. That’s not how discussions work. Post your stats that you read.

DF I'm confident they're similar to the stats you posted. It was 5 or 10 years ago I saw them. Yours are just updated versions of the same stats. There isn't much difference and the only severe injury on a return that I know of in my 52 years of following pro football is Jason Sehorn. It didn't actually end his career, but he never came back to what he was. That's why I'm asking you to list all the career ending injuries from kick/punt returns. I don't even know of one. You claimed career ending so why don't you stop posting unfounded non-credible fictitious opinions and then just say ‘prove me wrong. That’s not how discussions work. Post your stats of career ending injuries from kick/punt returns.

You're either posting as satire and if that's the case you're brilliant. If you're serious then you are the most willfully ignorant and dishonest person I've ever encountered on talkvikes. It's, for the lack of a better word, impressive. I think I'll just be done with all this. Good day.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

Not exactly a special teams play.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

Not exactly a special teams play.

I believe the message was I stepped over the line casually speaking about death ....

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

Not exactly a special teams play.

I believe the message was I stepped over the line casually speaking about death ....

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

Not exactly a special teams play.

I believe the message was I stepped over the line casually speaking about death ....

I think we had at that point crossed over to dangerous sport to play in general. You introduced death to the conversation and it veered off the special teams path.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

I don't mind Bud's ideas, especially to make the punt and kick off more interesting again. End of the game idea I could live without, but it would keep the game more interesting longer.

And in doing so end the careers of countless players prematurely. Believe it or not the NFL ALSO wants the game to be as interesting as possible. However, they've done their homework and see that kickoffs injure more players than any other type of play. They made the right decision.

I've seen the statistics and they are very mildly more dangerous. I've challenged people to name the players who had their careers ended due to KO or PR plays and it's a very small list. Playing tackle football is risky and taking some steps to ameliorate the risk is good. How far to go with those steps is the big question.

It isn't always one play....did you see the ST from the Saints documentary? Steve Gleason

Also check on how Orlando Thomas and Tim Green are doing.....players are getting ALS from the amount of hits.

Other former NFL players who have been diagnosed with ALS include Steve Gleason, Dwight Clark, O.J. Brigance, Tim Green and Kevin Turner. Eric Stevens and Steve McMichal are 2 more; most recent.

It's a dangerous sport. The only truly safe choice is to not play it.

And in the end, you die anyway.

Some just have more money than others when they do ....

Darrel Stingley jumps to mind without even trying..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_Stingley

Not exactly a special teams play.

I believe the message was I stepped over the line casually speaking about death ....

I think we had at that point crossed over to dangerous sport to play in general. You introduced death to the conversation and it veered off the special teams path.

I suppose, but the guy lived for 30 years after his football injury.