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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:25:14 PM   
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Punt Returner, I guess?

The Vikings on Wednesday acquired wide receiver Jalen Reagor from the Philadelphia Eagles, a source said.

The Vikings sent the Eagles a 2024 conditional fourth-round pick and a 2023 seventh-round pick that they got from Houston on Tuesday in a trade in which they got defensive lineman Ross Blacklock.

Reagor was taken by the Eagles with the No. 21 pick in the 2020 draft. That was one spot before Minnesota took Justin Jefferson at No. 22. While Reagor has just 64 catches in his first two NFL seasons, Jefferson has become one of the NFL’s top receivers.

Reagor could be in line to be Minnesota’s punt returner. He has 35 career NFL returns for a 9.2-yard average and second-year pro Ihmir Smith-Marsette had issues returning punts in the preseason.

The Vikings kept just five receivers when rosters were trimmed down Wednesday to 53 players. It remains to be seen who the Vikings will let go in order to create room on the roster for Reagor.


https://www.twincities.com/2022/08/31/vikings-acquire-wr-jalen-reagor-from-eagles-for-draft-picks/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:26:23 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:28:43 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.


KAM trying to show he's the smartest guy in the room again.

I think id rather have Watts and WR Jackson we sent to the PS.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:34:59 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.


KAM trying to show he's the smartest guy in the room again.

I think id rather have Watts and WR Jackson we sent to the PS.


They must be really concerned about Watts vs the run in the new scheme.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:36:07 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.


KAM trying to show he's the smartest guy in the room again.

I think id rather have Watts and WR Jackson we sent to the PS.


They must be really concerned about Watts vs the run in the new scheme.

Probably as simple as that.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:37:03 PM   
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I'm really hoping that all these moves on offense means we're going to be going with A LOT more 3 and 4 WR sets.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:37:10 PM   
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Trader Rick?

KAM...hold my beer.

6 draft day trades. 4 shaping the bottom of the roster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:38:24 PM   
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I'm really hoping that all these moves on offense means we're going to be going with A LOT more 3 and 4 WR sets.


Something I've wanted for a long time.

Open up things for Cook and watch out!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:38:29 PM   
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Reagor is a short term PR fix. We won't be picking up his 5th year option

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:40:25 PM   
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We do need a PR but trading for Kelce would have filled a much bigger need

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:42:41 PM   
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We do need a PR but trading for Kelce would have filled a much bigger need


I don't mind Reagor... would be nice to not have to worry about every single punt return.

But would have had

Kelce
Suh
TE

above him on my wish list.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:47:37 PM   
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I'd add Randy Moss' kid to the PS. Was waived by the Bengals yesterday.

As a redshirt junior, Moss finished the season with 47 receptions for 570 receiving yards, both school records for tight ends, and four touchdowns. Moss caught four passes for 99 yards and scored a touchdown on a 62-yard reception against Oklahoma in the 2019 Peach Bowl. In the 2020 National Championship Game, he scored two touchdowns on five receptions for 36 yards. His two scores allowed quarterback and 2019 Heisman Trophy winner Joe Burrow to tie and break the NCAA single season record for touchdown passes.

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Family lineage and brand awareness playing with Joe Burrow and LSU make it easy to overshoot expectations for Moss as a dynamic pass-catcher, but tape study shows he's actually more skilled as a run blocker. He has great hands and good body control, but he's an average athlete who benefited from rub routes and off coverage to find plenty of open-window catches. He will get after it as a run blocker, using above-average technique and an impressive ability to strain and sustain against bigger opponents. He could struggle to uncover against tight man, but his hybrid TE/H-back versatility and run-blocking prowess could lock him into a TE3 role.

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[LSU’s Thaddeus Moss is a compact, powerfully built tight end prospect with a very good thickness in his upper and lower body. Moss lined up at a variety of positions in the LSU offense, playing out of tight end, wide receiver, slot receiver, and H-back alignments. He is primarily a blocker in LSU’s offense, and shows very good technique executing his blocks. Moss plays with good knee bend and pad level to maximize his natural leverage and play strength. He routinely fires his punch into defenders’ chest plates to secure inside leverage and gain control. He also shows very good play strength in sustaining his blocks through the whistle, with the ability to create movement at the line of scrimmage. Moss has very good competitive toughness as a blocker, standing up against bigger linemen and giving a second-effort to re-anchor against power rushes when necessary.

Moss shows a good understanding of blocking assignments as a pass protector and can be relied upon to block rush linebackers. He also does a good job of executing chip blocks when he releases into routes.

Moss has good, reliable hands as a pass catcher. He presents a good target for his quarterback, tracks the ball well, and extends to pluck the ball out of the air away from his frame. He also shows very good body control to contort and make difficult catches or secure the catch going out of bounds. Moss’ leverage and play strength make his routes difficult for most coverage players to disrupt, and he can be difficult for lone defenders to tackle in space.

Moss’ greatest weakness is his lack of athleticism. He shows definite lower-body stiffness and a lack of quickness and agility which hamper his route running. Moss also lacks speed on vertical routes or in the open field. Suffered a broken foot (fifth metatarsal) in 2018 that required a pair of surgeries.

Thaddeus Moss projects as back-up tight end for most teams, but could be a number two — and second starting — tight end for a team that uses a scheme based on 12-personnel packages.

Moss’ greatest value will likely be for teams that feature run-heavy or vertical offenses. He is a very good blocker in both the running and passing game, and a capable-enough receiver to bring value as a check-down option. Moss’ lack of athleticism will prevent him from being a true mis-match, and that will hurt his value in the eyes of many offenses. However, his blocking ability absolutely has a place in the modern NFL. If he can become adept at finding voids in coverage, Moss’ hands and body control should allow him to become a reliable chain-mover in the passing game.

Teams that have an “H-Back” position in their offense could be particularly interested in Moss. His ability to line up in the backfield as well as both a detached and in-line tight end could allow offenses to show multiple looks out of similar personnel packages./i]

Sounds like a short Rudolph, I'd PS him. He won't find a better opportunity in this league.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 1:48:32 PM   
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Market has to be drying up for Suh and his 9ml request

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:03:35 PM   
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Bears just saved the Raiders a fortune.

In waiving the right tackle, the Raiders will take a $7.9 million hit to their salary cap if no other team claims him. Per Over The Cap, Leatherwood's $14.39 million salary was fully guaranteed.

Leatherwood was coming off a rookie year in which Pro Football Focus ranked him No. 80 out of 82 guards in the NFL and dead last among guards who played at least 1,000 snaps. This preseason, which included an ill-fated move to right tackle, wasn't going much better.

Every team in the NFL reportedly turned the Raiders down in trade talks before the team cut him loose.

The Raiders drafted Leatherwood out of Alabama thinking they were getting their right tackle of the future. That was to the surprise of most NFL draft media, who almost universally didn't see Leatherwood as a first-rounder or were skeptical about him sticking at tackle, where he played for the Crimson Tide. Yahoo Sports' Eric Edholm ranked him as the No. 46 overall prospect and said a move to guard was possible.

Then-Raiders general manager Mike Mayock conceded the pick would be controversial, but revealed head coach Jon Gruden and offensive line coach Tom Cable loved him as a prospect. Mayock also said Leatherwood was the highest overall player remaining on their board.


The Raiders drafting Leatherwood allowed the Vikings to get Darrisaw. Thank you Raiders. Bears have to be insane taking on that salary.

glad we got Darrisaw

Bears are not on the hook for that salary...raiders cut him...they will likely have him for cheap

I thought claiming him on waivers meant they were on the hook for a good chunk of change. Perhaps the $7.9 million mentioned in the part I bolded above.

you are right, kg...I just read this:
"Any player on waivers is subject to having their contract claimed by any other NFL team"

https://www.ganggreennation.com/2022/8/31/23330749/how-nfl-waivers-work

Thank you.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:06:56 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I liked Reagor in the draft about as much as Jefferson. He's a physical marvel. I know he didn't do much with Philly. Seems like we have a hard on for highly drafted players that haven't lived up to expectations.
A 4th round pick IMO is too much.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:09:18 PM   
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We waived Ihmir Smith for this move?

Could kept 6 WR. DUMB.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:10:58 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I liked Reagor in the draft about as much as Jefferson. He's a physical marvel. I know he didn't do much with Philly. Seems like we have a hard on for highly drafted players that haven't lived up to expectations.
A 4th round pick IMO is too much.

His metrics don't spell physical marvel.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:11:51 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I liked Reagor in the draft about as much as Jefferson. He's a physical marvel. I know he didn't do much with Philly. Seems like we have a hard on for highly drafted players that haven't lived up to expectations.
A 4th round pick IMO is too much.


"2023 7th-round pick and a 2024 conditional 4th-round pick that would deescalate to a 5th-round pick if certain statistical marks are not met"

2024 4th round... which is 5th round value... and could be less if things don't work out

Don't love it... don't hate it.

EDIT: Just watched his NFL "highlight" reel... very underwhelming
Screens and reverses
Didn't see a single "taking the top off" catch

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:20:40 PM   
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We waived Ihmir Smith for this move?

Could kept 6 WR. DUMB.

Really? Kwesi is throwing a lot of good players out with the bath water for simply different guys at the expense of draft capital.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:30:17 PM   
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We waived Ihmir Smith for this move?

Could kept 6 WR. DUMB.

Not looking good. Almost Identical to the Watts for Blacklock move. We kept Nailor over Smith-Marsette is very surprising.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:30:55 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I liked Reagor in the draft about as much as Jefferson. He's a physical marvel. I know he didn't do much with Philly. Seems like we have a hard on for highly drafted players that haven't lived up to expectations.
A 4th round pick IMO is too much.


"2023 7th-round pick and a 2024 conditional 4th-round pick that would deescalate to a 5th-round pick if certain statistical marks are not met"

2024 4th round... which is 5th round value... and could be less if things don't work out

Don't love it... don't hate it.

EDIT: Just watched his NFL "highlight" reel... very underwhelming
Screens and reverses
Didn't see a single "taking the top off" catch

Thanks for the clarification.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:36:12 PM   
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We waived Ihmir Smith for this move?

Could kept 6 WR. DUMB.

Not looking good. Almost Identical to the Watts for Blacklock move. We kept Nailor over Smith-Marsette is very surprising.


Easy. Anything before 2022 takes a back seat.

Overly inflated ego showing again.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:37:08 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.


KAM trying to show he's the smartest guy in the room again.

I think id rather have Watts and WR Jackson we sent to the PS.


Jackson making it to the PS makes it a good move....Watts was a better pass rusher than run defender....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:38:02 PM   
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We waived Ihmir Smith for this move?

Could kept 6 WR. DUMB.

Not looking good. Almost Identical to the Watts for Blacklock move. We kept Nailor over Smith-Marsette is very surprising.


Easy. Anything before 2022 takes a back seat.

Overly inflated ego showing again.


?? 5th WR that can't return punts gone for someone that can and is explosive at it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/31/2022 2:38:27 PM   
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Guess he fits the reclamation mold of Blacklock as a recent high draft pick that has wildly underperformed.

I was thinking exactly the same thing. I liked Reagor in the draft about as much as Jefferson. He's a physical marvel. I know he didn't do much with Philly. Seems like we have a hard on for highly drafted players that haven't lived up to expectations.
A 4th round pick IMO is too much.

His metrics don't spell physical marvel.

Are you basing this off his Combine 40 time? That was underwhelming. His 4.28 pro day time was overwhelming. He's known to be very fast, very strong and have very good jumping ability. I think the combine was while recovering from injury.

How fast is Jalen Reagor?
Eagles wide receiver Jalen Reagor shows his 4.3 speed on a 23-yard touchdown catch and run.

WR Jalen Reagor shows 4.3 speed on 23-yard TD catch and run https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com

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