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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/24/2022 11:58:57 AM   
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There are good reasons to bring in Morris and Ryans...rebuild the defense on the fly and leave the offense side alone for one year and be in contention at least for a playoff spot.

I see the problem with the roster being on the defense; too much age and cap space for what they received back 29th/30th ranking.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 11:27:19 AM   
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If we're considering Packer coaches, instead of getting the guy that's riding Aaron Rodgers coattails, maybe a better choice is DC Joe Barry.

The Packers defense sucked for years with Capers, then the Cleveland dude had it ok in the regular season, but sucking in the playoffs.

With Barry, in his first year, they went into KC, and held KC down to the point where Love, who probably sucks, had a chance to win the game in the 4th quarter.

They shut the 49ers down in a playoff game.


https://www.packers.com/news/5-things-to-know-about-packers-defensive-coordinator-joe-barry

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 11:47:46 AM   
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This is an excellent point by Marty.

Blind Squirrel finds nut...I know.

But I am very wary about any OC with a great QB like Rodgers (Hackett) , Brady (Leftwich), Allen Dabol), Mahomes (Bienemy), and to slightly lesser extent Prescott (Moore). How much of that team's offensive success was the QB being great and how much was it the OC coaching?

These OCs look good. but if you want to go with an OC as your next HC how about a guy that coaxes a great performance out of a Jimmy G? or gets the most out of some other weaker QB?


That's where you find the great coaches. Not in the shadow of a great player...but with team performing great despite the "talent" on the field.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 12:17:53 PM   
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This is an excellent point by Marty.

Blind Squirrel finds nut...I know.

But I am very wary about any OC with a great QB like Rodgers (Hackett) , Brady (Leftwich), Allen Dabol), Mahomes (Bienemy), and to slightly lesser extent Prescott (Moore). How much of that team's offensive success was the QB being great and how much was it the OC coaching?

These OCs look good. but if you want to go with an OC as your next HC how about a guy that coaxes a great performance out of a Jimmy G? or gets the most out of some other weaker QB?


That's where you find the great coaches. Not in the shadow of a great player...but with team performing great despite the "talent" on the field.


Kind of like Brian Billick. Fair OC who benefited from Carter and Jake Reed. Once Moss was drafted he became a hot item. All due to chucking the ball up to Moss.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 12:43:43 PM   
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looks like cleveland guy for gm

please no harbonehead
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:04:19 PM   
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It sounds like Sean Payton just hit the market. I have no idea why he is leaving the 'aints.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:12:39 PM   
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It sounds like Sean Payton just hit the market. I have no idea why he is leaving the 'aints.


My guess would be he and Jerry Jones are orchestrating a marriage.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:20:28 PM   
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It sounds like Sean Payton just hit the market. I have no idea why he is leaving the 'aints.


My guess would be he and Jerry Jones are orchestrating a marriage.


That's interesting. He would be set up with a very good qb there, which is something he needs to run his offense. He wouldn't have that in New Orleans any time soon.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:25:37 PM   
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A lot of good points there Scott. A bunch of blind squirrel finding several nuts ?

I also like the idea of weakening a divisional for, it's a double whammy. Yes they have a GB stench, but they've also coached other places.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:30:38 PM   
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It sounds like Sean Payton just hit the market. I have no idea why he is leaving the 'aints.


My guess would be he and Jerry Jones are orchestrating a marriage.


That's interesting. He would be set up with a very good qb there, which is something he needs to run his offense. He wouldn't have that in New Orleans any time soon.


Maybe. I am not sold on Dak. He didn’t win when he was a small part of the salary cap. Now he is a huge part of salary cap which means less talent around him.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:52:35 PM   
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Yeap. Ron beat me to it but all the chatter is that Jones is pissed and will bring Payton in.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:54:37 PM   
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Yeap. Ron beat me to it but all the chatter is that Jones is pissed and will bring Payton in.


According to the Herd Payton has a house in Dallas and just got married. Would have to be a trade involved as he still is signed.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 1:56:54 PM   
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This is an excellent point by Marty.

Blind Squirrel finds nut...I know.

But I am very wary about any OC with a great QB like Rodgers (Hackett) , Brady (Leftwich), Allen Dabol), Mahomes (Bienemy), and to slightly lesser extent Prescott (Moore). How much of that team's offensive success was the QB being great and how much was it the OC coaching?

These OCs look good. but if you want to go with an OC as your next HC how about a guy that coaxes a great performance out of a Jimmy G? or gets the most out of some other weaker QB?


That's where you find the great coaches. Not in the shadow of a great player...but with team performing great despite the "talent" on the field.


I still think you need a good communicator and coach...Hackett did it in Buffalo and Jax with lesser talent. GB didn't have much talent outside of Adams and Rodgers....FYI. GB may have had the least Offense talent of the last 8 teams.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 2:11:52 PM   
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Top Analytical HC's in the NFL. (Per Play USA)

The NFL’s top data-driven head coaches

John Harbaugh, Ravens: The Ravens’ coach blipped onto the radar of the analytically agnostic by going for it on fourth down – a lot. In 2019, when analytically-based decision-making became a thing, Harbaugh insisted he actually relied on his gut more, but he’s still the darling of the algorithm crowd, currently. He even has an analyst in his ear during games feeding him probabilities.

Kevin Stefanski, Browns: Data helped Cleveland turn one of the most moribund franchises into a threat, with a growing data team and a coach who has become one of the savviest in the league with fourth-down decisions. If he had been in charge, Earnest Byner might never had a chance to fumble.

Andy Reid, Chiefs: The Chiefs head coach looks like a gruff and stuck-in-his-ways Baby Boomer, right down to his hilarious attempts at facemasks during the pandemic. But from his absolute devotion to the passing game to eschewing running backs in the draft, Reid embodies the regimen.

Bill Belichick, Patriots: A six-touchdown dynasty doesn’t just happen. And a generational quarterback like Tom Brady or big football mind like Belichick’s can’t account for all of it. New England, a dreadful team for much of its existence, turn a digital corner by being the first to plumb analytics as a roster-building technique when the NFL still relied on film study. And remember, Belichick likes math. And don’t get the quants started on his proclivity with pre-snap motion.

Sean McVay, Rams: The construction of the Los Angeles roster and his in-game decision-making underscore his commitments to what stats tell him about trends and outcomes. But, as McVey told Pro Football Talk, feel matters, too. This was displeasing to the analytics community a few years ago. They consider his fourth-down aggressiveness his main flaw.

Sean Payton, Saints: A previous speaker at the Sloan MIT Sports Analytics conference, so he’s fully vested. Payton’s aggressive play-calling helped lift the lid on what analytics was all about for ardent and casual fans alike years ago.

Brian Flores, Dolphins: The coach made his analytical mark by passing heavily and holding his own despite having talent that was scored among the league’s worst when he debuted. A ream of draft picks yielded a crop of data-culled talent. Now Miami must figure out of Tua is the right distributor. Coaches don’t become top-tier analytics heroes without a big-time quarterback.

Sean McDermott, Bills: The coach built his bona fides with deep and voluminous passing and a willingness to roll the bones – often frozen in upstate New York – as Buffalo was changing a culture. With Stefon Diggs and a talented wide receiver cast providing opportunity for quarterback Josh Allen, McDermott could get smarter and smarter.

Cliff Kingsbury, Cardinals: If quarterback Kyler Murray’s current evolution is real, the Arizona coach stands to become a genius. As with Baltimore and Buffalo, fourth-and-reasonable is quite often a go, and the Cardinals have enough talent at wide receiver to offset a running back committee.

Matt Ruhle, Panthers: One of the conditions of his hire was a bespoke analytics facility. So, yeah, he’s on board. As is the coaching staff he brought with him. Even with their best player being a running back, the Panthers have found a way to make Christian McCaffery a Swiss Army knife type of player.

Interesting. Would seem Raheem Morris, Kevin O'Connell, Brian Daboll, Brian Flores, or McDaniels may be on our radar if Mensah is hired? I heard Doug Pederson is a big analytics guy too!

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 2:36:17 PM   
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Top Analytical HC's in the NFL. (Per Play USA)

The NFL’s top data-driven head coaches

John Harbaugh, Ravens: The Ravens’ coach blipped onto the radar of the analytically agnostic by going for it on fourth down – a lot. In 2019, when analytically-based decision-making became a thing, Harbaugh insisted he actually relied on his gut more, but he’s still the darling of the algorithm crowd, currently. He even has an analyst in his ear during games feeding him probabilities.

Kevin Stefanski, Browns: Data helped Cleveland turn one of the most moribund franchises into a threat, with a growing data team and a coach who has become one of the savviest in the league with fourth-down decisions. If he had been in charge, Earnest Byner might never had a chance to fumble.

Andy Reid, Chiefs: The Chiefs head coach looks like a gruff and stuck-in-his-ways Baby Boomer, right down to his hilarious attempts at facemasks during the pandemic. But from his absolute devotion to the passing game to eschewing running backs in the draft, Reid embodies the regimen.

Bill Belichick, Patriots: A six-touchdown dynasty doesn’t just happen. And a generational quarterback like Tom Brady or big football mind like Belichick’s can’t account for all of it. New England, a dreadful team for much of its existence, turn a digital corner by being the first to plumb analytics as a roster-building technique when the NFL still relied on film study. And remember, Belichick likes math. And don’t get the quants started on his proclivity with pre-snap motion.

Sean McVay, Rams: The construction of the Los Angeles roster and his in-game decision-making underscore his commitments to what stats tell him about trends and outcomes. But, as McVey told Pro Football Talk, feel matters, too. This was displeasing to the analytics community a few years ago. They consider his fourth-down aggressiveness his main flaw.

Sean Payton, Saints: A previous speaker at the Sloan MIT Sports Analytics conference, so he’s fully vested. Payton’s aggressive play-calling helped lift the lid on what analytics was all about for ardent and casual fans alike years ago.

Brian Flores, Dolphins: The coach made his analytical mark by passing heavily and holding his own despite having talent that was scored among the league’s worst when he debuted. A ream of draft picks yielded a crop of data-culled talent. Now Miami must figure out of Tua is the right distributor. Coaches don’t become top-tier analytics heroes without a big-time quarterback.

Sean McDermott, Bills: The coach built his bona fides with deep and voluminous passing and a willingness to roll the bones – often frozen in upstate New York – as Buffalo was changing a culture. With Stefon Diggs and a talented wide receiver cast providing opportunity for quarterback Josh Allen, McDermott could get smarter and smarter.

Cliff Kingsbury, Cardinals: If quarterback Kyler Murray’s current evolution is real, the Arizona coach stands to become a genius. As with Baltimore and Buffalo, fourth-and-reasonable is quite often a go, and the Cardinals have enough talent at wide receiver to offset a running back committee.

Matt Ruhle, Panthers: One of the conditions of his hire was a bespoke analytics facility. So, yeah, he’s on board. As is the coaching staff he brought with him. Even with their best player being a running back, the Panthers have found a way to make Christian McCaffery a Swiss Army knife type of player.

Interesting. Would seem Raheem Morris, Kevin O'Connell, Brian Daboll, Brian Flores, or McDaniels may be on our radar if Mensah is hired? I heard Doug Pederson is a big analytics guy too!


Flores or Pederson need a good long look, in my opinion. I would be happy with either guy, if they interview well.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 3:00:25 PM   
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I really like what Shanahan does with the Niners.
I always figured him to be an "analytics type." That may put Demeco Ryans and/or Mike McDaniel in the mix, as well. (even with Jimmy G). This will get VERY interesting fast.



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McDaniel, 37, will enter his fifth season with the 49ers in 2021 after spending the previous four years with the team as the run game coordinator (2018-20) and run game specialist (2017).

Over the last two seasons (2019-20), San Francisco’s offense has averaged 131.1 rushing yards per game, ranking sixth in the NFL over that span. The team finished the 2019 season ranked second in the NFL and first in the NFC in that same category, averaging 144.1 rushing yards per game. The 49ers 42 rushing touchdowns since 2019 are tied for the third-most in the NFL, and tied for the most in the NFC, in that span.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 3:04:49 PM   
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More Mike McDaniel

https://www.sportscasting.com/kyle-shanahans-ringing-endorsement-for-mike-mcdaniel-should-land-the-49ers-oc-a-head-coaching-job/

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 4:08:49 PM   
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While I wouldn't put everything on one game, the playoffs to me, are 10 times more important than regular season games.

The SF-Pack game lowered Hackett a notch, and raised DC Joe Barry a notch or two.

Pack had more than just Adams and Rodgers, Jones is one of the best RBs in the league, and they had a strong OL, must have a great OL coach.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 4:15:15 PM   
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If I were Bill Belichick, I would strongly consider retiring after getting spanked so badly, or move to the NFC.

He will likely have to deal with Mahomes and Allen to get to the SB, not to mention Burrow and Herbert, Jackson and Lawrence (still think there could be a high upside with him).

It's possible Buffalo laid out a blueprint to beating NE, and you might never see Belichick in the SB again as he loses motivation and ages.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 4:32:29 PM   
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Level 1 - Pederson or Payton
Level 2 - Daboll, Barry, Ryans, McDaniel, Flores

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 4:58:45 PM   
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This is an excellent point by Marty.

Blind Squirrel finds nut...I know.

But I am very wary about any OC with a great QB like Rodgers (Hackett) , Brady (Leftwich), Allen Dabol), Mahomes (Bienemy), and to slightly lesser extent Prescott (Moore). How much of that team's offensive success was the QB being great and how much was it the OC coaching?

These OCs look good. but if you want to go with an OC as your next HC how about a guy that coaxes a great performance out of a Jimmy G? or gets the most out of some other weaker QB?


That's where you find the great coaches. Not in the shadow of a great player...but with team performing great despite the "talent" on the field.


He’s been to an AFC championship as the offensive coordinator for Blake Bortles in Jacksonville.

If you are going to downgrade him because of Rodgers( legit)... seems like you need to give him flying marks for that Jags feat.
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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/25/2022 5:13:09 PM   
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Fair enough.

Bortles in the playoffs: I see only 10 points against the Bills, but it was enough to win. An impressive 45 points against the Steelers, and a 20 points against the Patriots, so they were in the game.

Doing this with Bortles raises him up a notch. Bortles looked GREAT in college clips, I thought he would be more successful as a pro, Hackett got plenty out of him.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/26/2022 7:25:48 AM   
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Fair enough.

Bortles in the playoffs: I see only 10 points against the Bills, but it was enough to win. An impressive 45 points against the Steelers, and a 20 points against the Patriots, so they were in the game.

Doing this with Bortles raises him up a notch. Bortles looked GREAT in college clips, I thought he would be more successful as a pro, Hackett got plenty out of him.


1) Remember the weather factor. 2) GB wasn't all that healthy at OL.

I will be happy with any of the top 5-6 guys on the list. We lost 2-3 games last year due to coaching/communication. Then you add on the fact that Zimmer hated playing rookies....He would rather have played Dozier coming off of his Covid than Davis or Sean Mannion and get the offenses ass handed to it when a running QB gave us a better shot.

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/26/2022 9:15:21 AM   
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RUMOR ALERT. What do you think?

I really don't want him, but may have ties to Mensah back in his 49ers day?

https://thevikingage.com/2022/01/24/minnesota-vikings-rumors-jim-harbaugh-head-coach/

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RE: Our New Head Coach - 1/26/2022 9:39:50 AM   
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RUMOR ALERT. What do you think?

I really don't want him, but may have ties to Mensah back in his 49ers day?

https://thevikingage.com/2022/01/24/minnesota-vikings-rumors-jim-harbaugh-head-coach/


I would be ok with it. Proven winner at a lot of levels and a former QB.
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