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I was about to post that not drafting CB Booth would make two mistakes out three selections for Kwesi but I guess he has an injury history going back to high school and this:

"It's notable that Booth suffered a strained quad while training for the NFL Scouting Combine and was unable to compete. Therefore we don't have concrete measurables to compare to the rest of the class. It's also notable that he got sports hernia surgery at the end of March."

Not that Kwesi is in the least bit injury risk averse.

can't remember who it was, maybe Steve Smith on NFLN, was saying the big red flags for injury are the recurrent soft tissue injuries, (like hamstrings, quads, hernias...)

I bet Booth isn't on our radar here as it sounds like those are exactly the types of things he's dealt with

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Guess the Detroit fan base has a similar view to our fan base

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2022/4/28/23047679/detroit-lions-jameson-williams-trade-nfl-draft-analysis

The Detroit Lions swindled the Minnesota Vikings in a first-round trade
...and walked away with arguably the most talented receiver in the draft.

Brad Holmes is a thief, a menace, and a swindler. He’s robbed the Vikings blind with this trade to move back up to the 12th-overall pick. Here are the official terms of the trade, per the team:

Lions get: Pick 12, Pick 46 (second round)
Vikings get: Pick 32, Pick 34 (second round), Pick 66 (third round)

I had a hunch at first sight that it was a good deal, so I did some digging. According to the Rich Hill Draft Value model—the most modern chart to date—the Lions gave up 435 points of value and gained 475 points of value. In other words, they gained 40 points of value by making this trade with the Vikings. For those wondering, according to the chart, the Lions gained the equivalent of the 95th overall pick—a late third-round pick.

All that resulted in the Lions getting arguably the most talented receiver in the draft in Jameson Williams. Had it not been for a torn ACL, Williams likely would’ve been one of the first names off the board Thursday night. I said on the Pride of Detroit live stream a half hour prior to the trade that whatever team gets Williams will have a really good player in six months when he’s healthy. Lucky for us, that team is the Detroit Lions.

Compare it to actual deals from last year Vikings Darrisaw trade and Giants Fields trades the teams trading back got far better value. Detroit as the team trading up got a STEAL.

Kwesi got schooled.

Detroit had a player they coveted and we had the leverage. You only move down that far, 20 freaking spots, if you get the better end of the deal or don't trade!

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

I was about to post that not drafting CB Booth would make two mistakes out three selections for Kwesi but I guess he has an injury history going back to high school and this:

"It's notable that Booth suffered a strained quad while training for the NFL Scouting Combine and was unable to compete. Therefore we don't have concrete measurables to compare to the rest of the class. It's also notable that he got sports hernia surgery at the end of March."

Not that Kwesi is in the least bit injury risk averse.

can't remember who it was, maybe Steve Smith on NFLN, was saying the big red flags for injury are the recurrent soft tissue injuries, (like hamstrings, quads, hernias...)

I bet Booth isn't on our radar here as it sounds like those are exactly the types of things he's dealt with

If that's true it only leaves one CB on paper that could push Danztler to start, Gordon.

If that's important to us. (its an apocalyptic concern for me)

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Listening to Common on KFAN. He had a guy on with NBC sports, locally based. Don’t know who he is but he brings up an interesting point. This draft is weaker on top, but unusually deep, due too Covid and other factors.

That’s probably what drove Kwesi to the trade. Trade charts that are static from year to year assigning a set value to each spot and don’t take into account the makeup of a draft said Vikings lost the trade. But a system that factors in the characteristics of a particular draft may tell a different story.

Very good point.

In my mocks I've focused on accumulating as many picks between 20 and 100 as possible.

I think our top needs remaining in no particular order are C, WR, DE, CB. Here I nab all 4 in the top 82 and still get 5 more depth players.


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We should have gotten Detroit's 2nd and 3rd.

We did get Detroit's 2nd and 3rd round picks. The problem is we gave them our second which we should have kept.

How? Detroit was trading up to the pick behind us with the same capital. We now move up to the top of the 2nd and 3rd round and have 4 picks in the top 80 instead of 3.

What would you think if we drafted Cine at 12?

Its like promoting longer life expectancy rates as proof of advancement in modern medicine.

Uh no ... we are increasing the length of a person's life by tacking on few more sucky final few years. When and if I turn 75, tack on some extra years from my early 20s and then we'll talk.

We moved back 20 picks from 12 to 32 in rd one. That's losing 20 spots of first rd talent.
We moved up 12 picks from 46 to 34. That's gaining 12 spots of second rd. talent.
We gain a third rd pick, free and clear but ... that's a gain of a third rd talent.

Quality matters, not just quantity.

it was a bad deal, plain and simple...worse than any deal spielman has ever made....

That simply isn't true. Remember giving up a 1st for Bradford? A second for Ngokwe and trading him away a couple weeks later for a 3rd. And what did we give to give up to get a punter we could cut?

I get that you can make an argument that Kwesi should have gotten more depending on the chart you use. The idea that this is worse than any Spielman deal or Herschal Walker II is just getting carried away. Instead of 12 & 46, we got 32, 34 & 66. We'll survive.

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I heard somebody say they thought Gordon will be the better player than his teammate McDuffie

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https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1519905057281658881

The mention of Sendejo is a real downer. But he didn't take out one of his teammates so I think the comparison is wrong

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So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

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So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

I'm hoping Seattle gives us their two number two's to move up and get their QB.

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ORIGINAL: marty

So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

I'm hoping Seattle gives us their two number two's to move up and get their QB.

That would be nice.

There are no excuses tonight for getting bad value or reaching for someone(@34).

We have had 20 hours to call teams and figure stuff out.

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https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1519905057281658881

The mention of Sendejo is a real downer. But he didn't take out one of his teammates so I think the comparison is wrong

Right below the video he said the Sendejo line was in jest.

Will Ragatz
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@WillRagatz
Ha, not necessarily. The Sendejo line was in jest. That hit was a couple years ago and he had only one penalty (a PI) last season. I'm sure he understands the line between being physical and being stupid.

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ORIGINAL: marty

So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

I'm hoping Seattle gives us their two number two's to move up and get their QB.

That would be nice.

There are no excuses tonight for getting bad value or reaching for someone(@34).

We have had 20 hours to call teams and figure stuff out.

I just think after seeing what Kwesi did last night there's no way Seattle will offer that much. They will offer less and Kwesi will cave.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: marty

So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

I'm hoping Seattle gives us their two number two's to move up and get their QB.

That would be nice.

There are no excuses tonight for getting bad value or reaching for someone(@34).

We have had 20 hours to call teams and figure stuff out.

I just think after seeing what Kwesi did last night there's no way Seattle will offer that much. They will offer less and Kwesi will cave.

i think that seattle probably leaps over us and gets him....

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1519905057281658881

The mention of Sendejo is a real downer. But he didn't take out one of his teammates so I think the comparison is wrong

Right below the video he said the Sendejo line was in jest.

Will Ragatz
@WillRagatz
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@WillRagatz
Ha, not necessarily. The Sendejo line was in jest. That hit was a couple years ago and he had only one penalty (a PI) last season. I'm sure he understands the line between being physical and being stupid.

but he's probably already got a target on his back with the nfl refs...harry was ejected last year and called for a couple of others....

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: marty

So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

I'm hoping Seattle gives us their two number two's to move up and get their QB.

That would be nice.

There are no excuses tonight for getting bad value or reaching for someone(@34).

We have had 20 hours to call teams and figure stuff out.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

https://twitter.com/WillRagatz/status/1519905057281658881

The mention of Sendejo is a real downer. But he didn't take out one of his teammates so I think the comparison is wrong

Right below the video he said the Sendejo line was in jest.

Will Ragatz
@WillRagatz
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14h
Replying to
@WillRagatz
Ha, not necessarily. The Sendejo line was in jest. That hit was a couple years ago and he had only one penalty (a PI) last season. I'm sure he understands the line between being physical and being stupid.

but he's probably already got a target on his back with the nfl refs...harry was ejected last year and called for a couple of others....

The NFL refs likely have no idea who he even is.

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So is it:

A) take a CB
B) trade down
C) take Willis
D) take Corral
E) take OG
F) something else

???

I'm hoping Seattle gives us their two number two's to move up and get their QB.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

Listening to Common on KFAN. He had a guy on with NBC sports, locally based. Don’t know who he is but he brings up an interesting point. This draft is weaker on top, but unusually deep, due too Covid and other factors.

That’s probably what drove Kwesi to the trade. Trade charts that are static from year to year assigning a set value to each spot and don’t take into account the makeup of a draft said Vikings lost the trade. But a system that factors in the characteristics of a particular draft may tell a different story.

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It’s like I said, any draft chart that is just generic and not specific to one draft doesn’t tell the whole story. Kwesi in his past has helped construct charts like this. I’m not saying he won or lost, but to suggest that he is not aware of factors like Rich Hill’s chart is absurd.

The wheel’s still in spin. impossible to judge yet.