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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 4:45:15 PM   
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 4:46:51 PM   
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 4:47:38 PM   
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Pretty soon there will have to be some re-structuring or cutting news. Clock is ticking.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 4:49:11 PM   
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Pierce...nice to see an upgrade.

time to restructure and get OL help.

Barr? cut or restructure? and Kendricks will he restructure? Barr can go..Kendricks please no

Harrison needs to restructure.

Torn about first round pick. would u trade hunter for another first round pick? I would only if he wont restructure and they can get first round pick


Why automatically assume the oft-injured Phillips is an upgrade?

Dudes got 1.5 career sacks. As for run D, Pierce was praised for excelling in that.


4 years younger than Pierce. Hasn't missed many games last two years and is cheaper.

Tore ACL in 2019, played 14 games in 2021 with a tore PCL (Pierce missed half the year).


In the last three years, he has missed an entire season, and spent most of another with an injury. Basically healthy one out of three where he was healthy, aside from the normal stuff.

Enough with the age thing, it's getting creepy.

Cherry picking is so much fun!


That is one of the five. He is younger, took less, played more games, plays hurt, and was rated better.....who is cherry picking?

During the 2021 campaign, Phillips accumulated 51 tackles (four for a loss) and one sack. Pro Football Focus graded him as the 15th-best interior defensive lineman in the league last season (out of 110).

PFF’s Ben Linsey ranked Tomlinson as the 17th best interior defensive lineman in the league. Pierce came in at No. 26.



Geez, do you have to post everything about him on the two active threads?

OK, he had a sack. That doubled his prior production. Whoo hoo.


Lakers lose?


Thin skin?


Grumpy much?

Interesting article about FA that can still help:
https://www.dailynorseman.com/2022/3/15/22978942/vikings-free-agency-day-two


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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 4:51:55 PM   
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Jordan Hicks. In an unbiased and non-cherry picking view, what does he bring to the table?

Another inside guy for the 3-4?

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 5:02:48 PM   
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On running plays, it was difficult to know exactly what Jordan Hicks’ keys were. An educated guess was that he was keying on the play-side guard, because it rarely seemed as if he was keying on the running back, as most MIKE linebackers are instructed to do —- you know, the old hat on a hat assignment.

As a result, Jordan Hicks made the vast majority of his tackles (118 in 2021) in the neighborhood of 4-8 yards from the line of scrimmage. Because of the consistency of Jordan Hick’s approach, one can reasonably assume that Hicks was doing what DC Vance Joseph and LBC Billy Davis were instructing him to do within the frameworks of their “bend, but don’t break” philosophy.

If the “bend, but don’t break” philosophy was indeed the case, then versus the run, Jordan Hicks was danged good at what he was asked to do —- which was basically to make as many tackles as he could within a 4 x 5 yard box.

In pass coverage, Jordan Hicks showed marked improvement this season playing the hook areas of the Cardinals’ zones. However, in man-to-man coverage, as was the case with the majority of his fellow 3-4 linebackers, Jordan Hicks was given coverage assignments on TEs and RBs that put him at a competitive disadvantage. Despite that, one could not fault Jordan Hicks for the effort he made in trying to cover his man.

In today’s NFL, classic run stuffing MIKE linebackers are no longer in vogue, The trend now amongst DCs is to play smaller, faster hybrid-type athletes who possess the speed to cover running backs. What DCs are looking for are 3 down linebackers who are equally effective making tackles versus the run as they are in making plays in tight pass coverage. Finding defenders who can tackle and cover with equal consistency is not easy.

While Jordan Hicks had his fair share of struggles in man coverage —- if you recall, in the playoff game versus the Rams, Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford on several occasions tried to isolate Jordan Hicks in man coverage on Sony Michel and Cam Akers, whom they sent out of the backfield on out passes and wheel routes. One wheel route to Akers was featured on the 40 yard flea flicker pass from Odell Beckham, Jr. On that play, Jordan Hicks had the discipline to stay in coverage on Akers, but without prompt safety help, Akers was able to beat Hicks up the sidelines. Again, one can’t blame Jordan Hicks for a blown assignment or for a poor effort. It was a play that most linebackers would have had a hard time covering.

However, turning back to the strengths of Jordan Hicks’ game, one area where he perhaps excels the most is in storming the A and B gaps on pass blitzes (pictured above). This past season, Jordan Hicks recorded 17 QB pressures and 4 sacks. Hicks’ blitzing ability in itself, could carve him a special niche wherever he plays next season. He is relentless in that role.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 5:12:44 PM   
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Comments on revengeofthebirds echo what Arif said. Although their positions are a bit different, seems both Joseph and Barr are players that really knew the D. But I get the sense Joseph has more of that effort and underdog trait type.

And they also blame the DC, a lot.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 5:20:42 PM   
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Doogie Wolfson is quoted as saying a Thielen restructure is supposed to be announced soon.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 5:23:48 PM   
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Pretty soon there will have to be some re-structuring or cutting news. Clock is ticking.

GZUZ there has to be right?

Is there another path I'm not seeing?
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 5:27:26 PM   
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Doogie Wolfson is quoted as saying a Thielen restructure is supposed to be announced soon.

So Thielen stays. That helps JJ and Cousins a lot.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 5:46:21 PM   
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 6:01:05 PM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 6:11:10 PM   
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Walterfootball.com FA grades

Philips B+

Hicks C
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 6:57:21 PM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 7:10:37 PM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.


Barr would fill the role as a prototype olb in a 3-4 system. But, it seems that the idea is actually a multiple front 3-4, 5-1, 4-3 system, designed to keep offenses guessing. I hope the guys we have are ready to fill many different roles on the field.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 7:28:43 PM   
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Doogie Wolfson is quoted as saying a Thielen restructure is supposed to be announced soon.


He's getting top-tier money and will continue to: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/wide-receiver/

Make it heavily incentive based or hit the road.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 9:42:36 PM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
@caplannfl
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.

Baby Pierce Phillips is 6'3 307 (compared to Grandpa Pierce who was 6'0 345)

Hicks is 6'1 236

Kendricks is 6'0 232

Our D is going to be very svelte up the middle.

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 10:30:39 PM   
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Looking back at Spielman-Zimmer's first year (2014)

The start of the league year was March 11

We had +31M in cap space

Before March 11: Released TE Carlson, WR Childs, DT Guion, LB Erin Henderson

March 11: Signed QB Cassel, DE Griffith to new contracts

March 12: Signed DT Linval Joseph

March 13: Signed CB Captain Munnerlyn, LB Brinkley

March 19: Re-signed DT Fred Evans, G Charlie Johnson

March 20: Signed DT Tom Johnson

May 10 NFL Draft: LB Anthony Barr, QB Teddy Bridgewater, DE Scott Crichton, RB Jerick McKinnon, OL David Yankey, S Antone Exum, CB Kendall James, DT Shamar Stephen, LB Brandon Watts and CB Jabari Price.

Right before the start of the season: Signed T Mike Remmers to practice squad then released him; Claimed OL Mike Harris off waivers; Claimed WR Charles Johnson off the Browns practice squad

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/15/2022 10:40:06 PM   
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/16/2022 7:33:12 AM   
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/16/2022 9:34:11 AM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.

Baby Pierce Phillips is 6'3 307 (compared to Grandpa Pierce who was 6'0 345)

Hicks is 6'1 236

Kendricks is 6'0 232

Our D is going to be very svelte up the middle.


Almost 4-3 like.

KOC said they'd scheme to fit the personnel, but I don't think the DC had been hired when he said it Donatell never got the memo.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/16/2022 9:37:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
@caplannfl
, he gets a 2-year deal worth up to $12M.
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· 8m
The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.

Baby Pierce Phillips is 6'3 307 (compared to Grandpa Pierce who was 6'0 345)

Hicks is 6'1 236

Kendricks is 6'0 232

Our D is going to be very svelte up the middle.


they use college/combine numbers and never change them...i'd say that kendricks and hicks are each over 245....

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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/16/2022 9:55:29 AM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
@caplannfl
, he gets a 2-year deal worth up to $12M.
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· 8m
The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.

Baby Pierce Phillips is 6'3 307 (compared to Grandpa Pierce who was 6'0 345)

Hicks is 6'1 236

Kendricks is 6'0 232

Our D is going to be very svelte up the middle.


they use college/combine numbers and never change them...i'd say that kendricks and hicks are each over 245....

You do get the point right? Neither LB has prototyipical size for an ILB, regardless of what your eyeball is telling you.

I couldn’t be happier with Kendricks … I am looking forward to seeing Hicks …. maybe their dimunitive vienna sausage-like arms and legs will help Donnatell disguise his intentions …

I exaggerate … its what I do.
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/16/2022 10:16:33 AM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.



Did Barr ever get 49 straight minutes? An "upgrade" just on availability
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RE: 2022 Free Agency - 3/16/2022 10:30:43 AM   
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This was a priority for Minnesota, an on-field leader and productivity who handled himself with class in AZ. Per
@caplannfl
, he gets a 2-year deal worth up to $12M.
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The #Vikings have agreed to terms with LB Jordan Hicks, source said.


A cool stat about Hicks is that he’s started in 49 straight games. I think that amount of experience is a good sign.

We need at least 8 LBs on roster for a 3/4 defense. We have Kendricks, Lynch and Dye as are only ILBs on roster.



3-4. After looking at a few sites, it appears a 3-4 requires:

Several BIG DEs. Richard Seymour always seems to be the prototype.

A fattie at DT, but we just cut him. He at least looked the part.

OLBs who can set the edge. Undersized DEs. Barr perhaps but he is some sort of voided free agent.

ILBs who are good sized 4-3 MLBs.

So.... there is that.

Baby Pierce Phillips is 6'3 307 (compared to Grandpa Pierce who was 6'0 345)

Hicks is 6'1 236

Kendricks is 6'0 232

Our D is going to be very svelte up the middle.


Phillips seems more 3-4 DE sized than DT.
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