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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects:

Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut.

Hell, add in the DL as well.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

KOC could easily have a worsening record in his first three seasons.

Likely have a worse record next season, eject Cousins the following year and a new QB likely struggles.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Or Detroit knocks them out next week, lol.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects:

Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut.

Hell, add in the DL as well.

I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. .

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects:

Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut.

Hell, add in the DL as well.

I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. .

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects:

Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut.

Hell, add in the DL as well.

I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. .

The 1 year competitive rebuild has worked well from a W and L standpoint, however, the defense (which was heading in the wrong direction before this year), needs a fairly significant rebuild IMO, and overall you can just see other holes in this team (e.g., no vialbe 2nd WR threat).

When you factor in money, I'd think Kendricks, Harrison, Thielen, Cook are all ripe for either cut a cheap deal or get flat out released. Think I read they free up like $30mil going inot next year to do.

But really, we need to build through the draft. This year's draft class has a long way to go, and we already lose a pick next year, due to the Hockensen trade.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards!

I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500.

Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started.

This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk!

Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards!

I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500.

Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started.

This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk!

Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble.

I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here.

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards!

I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500.

Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started.

This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk!

Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards!

I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500.

Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started.

This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk!

Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble.

I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here.

There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects:

Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut.

Hell, add in the DL as well.

I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. .

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards!

I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500.

Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started.

This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk!

Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble.

I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here.

There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence.

FYI - don't think we have a second rounder in 2023. Gave it up in the Hockensen trade.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: fmaltes

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ORIGINAL: Dana Turner

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ...

Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards!

I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500.

Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started.

This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk!

Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble.

I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here.

There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence.

FYI - don't think we have a second rounder in 2023. Gave it up in the Hockensen trade.

We did.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

It seems we have piss poor personnel for the the 3-4, when I watch teams like Pitt/Bal etc., they just seem to have a ton of active/fast LBs
Other than Smith, I'm not sure we have any. Hunter just seems more 4-3 DE.
Smith got off to a fast start, but hasn't really seemed the same since he got hurt earlier in the year.
I supposed Asamoah, but he really hasn't seen much playing time/

This also makes it a little strange they went for so many DBs in the draft. Knowing this is your first draft, and you are changing up your defense.
Seems like most importantly you need your front 7 personnel to actually fit the D you want to run.