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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 4:48:32 PM

Bill Johanesen

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I don't think this is the way:
NFL Rumors
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Four teams that are expected to check on Rams Jalen Ramsey availability. The Lions, Steelers, Vikings, and Raiders.

LOL. Who writes this crap?

But he does fill the injury-prone block: Ramsey played through AC joint sprains in both of his shoulders during the Rams' run to the Super Bowl in 2021. He had only his left shoulder surgically repaired last offseason, and he'll now do the same for his right shoulder heading into the 2023 season.

OK sure, let's use our first and third picks then kick in some void years for a few players because his 2023 cap is ONLY $25 MILLION! And another $50 million for 2024-25.

Actually, stop importing crap.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/26/2023 5:12:35 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 4:49:55 PM

Bill Johanesen

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If you can acquire Lance for some late draft picks it seems like a low risk high reward type move.

Only issue I see is his rookie deal has already been going for two years.

Damn shame there still isn't NFL Europe, draft QBs and ship them off to see if there is anything there.

Kurt Warner wasn't Kurt Warner until he seasoned himself in Arena League and NFL Europe.

Done!

We used our first and third rounders for Ramsey, and our second for Hock.

The rest go to Lance!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 5:03:52 PM

Bill Johanesen

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LMAO NFL Rumors
@LMAONFLRumors
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The Vikings are prepared to 'substantially' beat all competing offers to sign Jalen Hurts and Antonio Brown. It is reported GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah is willing to turn over the deed to U.S. Bank Stadium and cede all territory of Minnesota above 47 degrees north to the city of Philadelphia.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 7:23:08 PM

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Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 7:36:45 PM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 7:53:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 1/26/2023 7:55:48 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 8:22:13 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

You forgot the fish peeler guy in Kurgistan.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 8:36:18 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

You forgot the fish peeler guy in Kurgistan.

Yeah, you're right. I might be off by one or two but not much more than that ...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 9:04:45 PM

Tom Sykes

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Its not impossible to find a decent QB. Very difficult, yes. But its not lottery hard.

It does take some luck ... and you have to keep addressing the position to improve your chances ...

but you can't not try.

KOC is probably itching to bring in some new blood that he has handpicked.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/26/2023 9:24:28 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

You forgot the fish peeler guy in Kurgistan.

Yeah, you're right. I might be off by one or two but not much more than that ...

There's 10-12 starters that give you a better chance in the playoffs than Cousins. That's a third of the league or close to it.

That doesn't cut it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 7:18:47 AM

Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

One of the four is not Kirk Cousins, hence the strategic need. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 7:27:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

One of the four is not Kirk Cousins, hence the strategic need. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

I am all in on Trey Lance if the cost is true.....I don't agree on Kirk not delivering.

Playoffs:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

There really are only a few clutch QBs in the NFL right now.....Brady, Burrow, and Mahomes. The rest aren't there--if you really are talking about delivering.

The discussion was on NFL Radio of how Lamar and Hurts really struggled in the playoffs last year and Burrow was so so last year but last week he turned it on and Allen somewhat regressed.

They also commented that Purdy will finally face a defense that will give him fits and Hurts will have to prove the same.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 1/27/2023 7:38:28 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 7:29:31 AM

Bill Johanesen

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NFL fans in the know will forever bash Minnesota for giving out the first-ever 100% guaranteed contract... mainly because it was given to Cousins! So why not the first 100% incentive-based contract:
- $15 million for a playoff win
- $30 million for two playoff wins
- $45 million for three playoff wins

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 7:35:16 AM

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NFL fans in the know will forever bash Minnesota for giving out the first-ever 100% guaranteed contract... mainly because it was given to Cousins! So why not the first 100% incentive-based contract:
- $15 million for a playoff win
- $30 million for two playoff wins
- $45 million for three playoff wins

Brady would be loaded if this was the way years ago.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 8:41:39 AM

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If Kwesi wants to impress me, he will need to bring in Lance or draft a QB for the future. Keep Cousins for 2023 and then insert QBOTF after that. Cousins age is soon to be his biggest fault.

If Kwesi extends Cousins he isn't some new wave analytic genius. He is just a guy no different than most GM's.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 9:26:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

One of the four is not Kirk Cousins, hence the strategic need. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

I am all in on Trey Lance if the cost is true.... .I don't agree on Kirk not delivering.

Playoffs:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

There really are only a few clutch QBs in the NFL right now.....Brady, Burrow, and Mahomes. The rest aren't there--if you really are talking about delivering.

The discussion was on NFL Radio of how Lamar and Hurts really struggled in the playoffs last year and Burrow was so so last year but last week he turned it on and Allen somewhat regressed.

They also commented that Purdy will finally face a defense that will give him fits and Hurts will have to prove the same.

Then you dont understand the distinction between playing well and playing well enough to win a game. Or the difference between regular season games and playoffs.

Try giving him credit for his strengths but also recognizing the deficiencies. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Or we could just talk about his career accomplishments but that would mask his overall good production

We could do a helluva lot worse than Cousins. He can absolutely get you a playoff win. A playoff run? Very very unlikely. Too much rattle in him, not enough spontineity to overcome big game pressure.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 9:44:33 AM

Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

One of the four is not Kirk Cousins, hence the strategic need. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

I am all in on Trey Lance if the cost is true.... .I don't agree on Kirk not delivering.

Playoffs:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

There really are only a few clutch QBs in the NFL right now.....Brady, Burrow, and Mahomes. The rest aren't there--if you really are talking about delivering.

The discussion was on NFL Radio of how Lamar and Hurts really struggled in the playoffs last year and Burrow was so so last year but last week he turned it on and Allen somewhat regressed.

They also commented that Purdy will finally face a defense that will give him fits and Hurts will have to prove the same.

Then you dont understand the distinction between playing well and playing well enough to win a game. Or the difference between regular season games and playoffs.

Try giving him credit for his strengths but also recognizing the deficiencies. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Or we could just talk about his career accomplishments but that would mask his overall good production

We could do a helluva lot worse than Cousins. He can absolutely get you a playoff win. A playoff run? Very very unlikely. Too much rattle in him, not enough spontineity to overcome big game pressure.

They did go deeper and even considered how teams are built. The 4 teams in are the best built teams.....NFL Radio talked about it. In Fact they said Philly and SF might be the best built of the 4.....so Hurts and Purdy will be under a microscope. Ignoring team defeciencies and against Kirk seemed easier after a playoff loss (even though ESPN QBR showed he performed well).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 10:10:57 AM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Our most immediate need is defense at most all positions.
Ol needs a couple inside guys as well.

Our most strategic need is a QB who can deliver.

Out of 8 billion people on the planet there are about 4 of those - and they're tied up right now

One of the four is not Kirk Cousins, hence the strategic need. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

I am all in on Trey Lance if the cost is true.... .I don't agree on Kirk not delivering.

Playoffs:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

There really are only a few clutch QBs in the NFL right now.....Brady, Burrow, and Mahomes. The rest aren't there--if you really are talking about delivering.

The discussion was on NFL Radio of how Lamar and Hurts really struggled in the playoffs last year and Burrow was so so last year but last week he turned it on and Allen somewhat regressed.

They also commented that Purdy will finally face a defense that will give him fits and Hurts will have to prove the same.

Then you dont understand the distinction between playing well and playing well enough to win a game. Or the difference between regular season games and playoffs.

Try giving him credit for his strengths but also recognizing the deficiencies. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Or we could just talk about his career accomplishments but that would mask his overall good production

We could do a helluva lot worse than Cousins. He can absolutely get you a playoff win. A playoff run? Very very unlikely. Too much rattle in him, not enough spontineity to overcome big game pressure.

They did go deeper and even considered how teams are built. The 4 teams in are the best built teams.....NFL Radio talked about it. In Fact they said Philly and SF might be the best built of the 4.....so Hurts and Purdy will be under a microscope. Ignoring team defeciencies and against Kirk seemed easier after a playoff loss (even though ESPN QBR showed he performed well).

Yeah, I don't know - be an easier argument for playing well if he doesn't Dak that last pass.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 10:12:23 AM

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With the season on the line Kirk got two drives in the fourth to try and tie or win the game: On the first drive we gained -1 yards. On the second drive, even with the aid of a terrible roughing the passer call, six plays for 39 yards, turnover on downs.

EDIT - crap I pasted the whole damn quarter when I only wanted to paste our last two drives. Friday morning fail.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 10:15:54 AM

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7:47 - 4th) G.Gano kicks 65 yards from NYG 35 to MIN 0. K.Nwangwu MUFFS catch, and recovers at MIN -1. K.Nwangwu to MIN 23 for 24 yards (J.Pinnock, M.Johnson). NYG-J.Pinnock was injured during the play.
1st & 10 at MIN 23
(7:42 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short left to D.Cook to MIN 19 for -4 yards (D.Holmes).
2nd & 14 at MIN 19
(7:15 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short right to T.Hockenson to MIN 22 for 3 yards (K.Thibodeaux, T.Jefferson).
3rd & 11 at MIN 22
(6:28 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete short right to D.Cook (L.Williams).
4th & 11 at MIN 22
(6:23 - 4th) R.Wright punts 61 yards to NYG 17, Center-A.DePaola. R.James to NYG 24 for 7 yards (K.Nwangwu).

1st & 10 at MIN 12
(2:56 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short right to T.Hockenson to MIN 18 for 6 yards (D.Belton).
2nd & 4 at MIN 18
(2:33 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete short left to K.Osborn. PENALTY on NYG-D.Lawrence, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 18 - No Play.
1st & 10 at MIN 33
(2:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short middle to T.Hockenson to MIN 46 for 13 yards (D.Holmes; J.Love).
1st & 10 at MIN 46
(2:09 - 4th) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete deep right to A.Thielen.
2nd & 10 at MIN 46
(2:03 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short right to D.Cook pushed ob at MIN 48 for 2 yards (D.Belton) [D.Lawrence].
(1:56 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning
3rd & 8 at MIN 48
(1:56 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete short left to K.Osborn (C.Flott).
4th & 8 at MIN 48
(1:44 - 4th) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass short right to T.Hockenson to NYG 49 for 3 yards (X.McKinney).

< Message edited by David F. -- 1/27/2023 10:17:39 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 10:18:36 AM

David F.

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Throw the Fing ball you pussy.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 10:20:43 AM

Phil Riewer

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I saw the sequence....outside of the possible KJ reception there wasn't a play to make; but like I said...it made it easier for you to regress to the anti-Kirk crowd.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 10:41:00 AM

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Throw the Fing ball you pussy.

I dont know, man. Im not sure making decisions you disagree with qualify KC as a pussy.

He lives in a world you can't even begin to imagine.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 11:07:07 AM 1 votes

Todd M

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I know Kirk Cousins is totally a bum
It's proven he can't get the job done
Season ending loss
On a rediculous toss
But yay how the season was fun

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/27/2023 11:14:45 AM

Todd M

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The season was crazy fun. From now on...being 0/57 and counting on a season being an ultimate success it's time to enjoy seasons seperate from post seasons.

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