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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 8:22:47 AM   
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If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.


Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.


KFC HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE..

HOW MUCH TO BUY THAT OUT?


My guess is Cousins has more interest in SF than SF has interest in Cousins.

My inclination is that KFC is more interested in the combined buyout of his “no trade clause” and the totality of the guaranteed money in the renegotiated sign and trade contract.

That is all he cares about.. increasing his generational wealth numbers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 10:06:19 AM   
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Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.

I used to be of this mindset, and was thinking of the possibility of a QB like Caleb Williams. I now believe that is a pipe dream, and whoever has the 1st pick, will draft him (or whomever the best rated QB is in the next draft).

It's very rare the #1 overall pick is for sale. This year was an outlier.


You would need a team that has an outstanding "no doubt about it QB" to have worst record in league to have them pass up on Williams.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 10:07:03 AM   
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In order, this was the outcome:

1. Quentin Johnston (TCU, WR)
2. Deonte Banks (CB, Maryland)
3. Brian Branch (S, Alabama)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 11:29:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to S2, the 30-to-45 minute exercise is conducted on what The Athletic’s Matt Barrows in February described as a “specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds.” It measures how players process and make split-second decisions. “Anticipating, reading, reacting and adapting to the game are measurable skills,” the website offers.

Multiple sources said Young’s total score was 98% whereas Stroud’s total score was 18%.

Some other total scores in the class of quarterbacks this year were 96% for Fresno State’s Jake Haener, 93% for Kentucky’s Will Levis and Brigham Young’s Jaren Hall, 84% for Houston’s Clayton Tune, 79% for Florida’s Anthony Richardson and 46% for Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker.

“Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”

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All in on Haener.

I hope it's him cause no one else has mentioned him.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 11:30:22 AM   
Daniel Lee Young

 

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Yea we are thin at CB and other places like OL and DL

The last thing we need is a fn WR.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 11:34:09 AM   
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$10 million base salary
$20 million roster bonus
$6.25 in pro-rated signing bonus

A roster bonus is different from a signing bonus. It’s a different way to structure base salary. It vests on a certain day (usually within five days of the new league year beginning) and is structured to give front offices flexibility to do something like a restructure. A roster bonus is counted on the salary cap the same season in which it is paid and it’s really easy to convert into a signing bonus.

Cousins also had two void years on the deal each with $6.25 million in pro-rated signing bonus. The restructure has the contract looking quite different. Over The Cap has the numbers broken down with detail.

Moving on from Cousins with a trade prior to June 1st would accelerate all of the prorated bonus money onto the 2023 salary cap as seen below. The total cap hit for Cousins would increase by $18.5 million in 2023 to $38.75 million.

If they end up trading Cousins after June 1st, Cousins’ cap hit won’t end up accelerating into 2023, but the cap hit for 2024 would be the anticipated $28.5 million. They would save $10 million on the cap with a trade, as the new team would be responsible for his $10 million in guaranteed salary.

With all that said, a trade isn’t impossible. If the Vikings end up trading both Za’Darius Smith and Dalvin Cook during the NFL draft, that would clear enough cap space to make it happen.

We can argue the merits of whether that’s a good idea or not, but there is a path if the Vikings want to pursue it. It just happens to be a difficult one.…Tyler Forness

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 11:39:32 AM   
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According to S2, the 30-to-45 minute exercise is conducted on what The Athletic’s Matt Barrows in February described as a “specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds.” It measures how players process and make split-second decisions. “Anticipating, reading, reacting and adapting to the game are measurable skills,” the website offers.

Multiple sources said Young’s total score was 98% whereas Stroud’s total score was 18%.

Some other total scores in the class of quarterbacks this year were 96% for Fresno State’s Jake Haener, 93% for Kentucky’s Will Levis and Brigham Young’s Jaren Hall, 84% for Houston’s Clayton Tune, 79% for Florida’s Anthony Richardson and 46% for Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker.

“Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”

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All in on Haener.

I hope it's him cause no one else has mentioned him.



I hope to fn god “Mr. metrics and analytics” has this guy or one of the higher scoring ones on his draft board..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 12:50:32 PM   
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More wide receivers are not going to make KFC or the offense any better..

Yea we are thin at CB and other places like OL and DL

The last thing we need is a fn WR.

Disagree.

We need a legit #2. JJ can be taken away if there is no reason to fear anyone else. KJ isn't it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 12:59:50 PM   
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Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.

I used to be of this mindset, and was thinking of the possibility of a QB like Caleb Williams. I now believe that is a pipe dream, and whoever has the 1st pick, will draft him (or whomever the best rated QB is in the next draft).

It's very rare the #1 overall pick is for sale. This year was an outlier.


You would need a team that has an outstanding "no doubt about it QB" to have worst record in league to have them pass up on Williams.


And unless that QB misses the entire season its unlikely they finish dead last.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 1:36:02 PM   
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According to S2, the 30-to-45 minute exercise is conducted on what The Athletic’s Matt Barrows in February described as a “specially designed gaming laptop and response pad that can record reactions in two milliseconds.” It measures how players process and make split-second decisions. “Anticipating, reading, reacting and adapting to the game are measurable skills,” the website offers.

Multiple sources said Young’s total score was 98% whereas Stroud’s total score was 18%.

Some other total scores in the class of quarterbacks this year were 96% for Fresno State’s Jake Haener, 93% for Kentucky’s Will Levis and Brigham Young’s Jaren Hall, 84% for Houston’s Clayton Tune, 79% for Florida’s Anthony Richardson and 46% for Tennessee’s Hendon Hooker.

“Stroud scored 18,” an executive said. “That is like red alert, red alert, you can’t take a guy like that. That is why I have Stroud as a bust. That in conjunction with the fact, name one Ohio State quarterback that’s ever done it in the league.”

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All in on Haener.

I hope it's him cause no one else has mentioned him.

C'mon. You can screw down the reaction time into Ant-Man's Quantum Realm but if you don't know what the playcall is, adjustments built into the playcall, specific offensive and defensive assignments, and all the bazillion of other variables ... its still just a wild analytical guess ...

As far as Haener ... I have heard several even more unreliable draftniks (because he's small and tough and low rated) touting Haener as this year's Purdy ... because every year has to have a copy of a once in a 30-year lucky pick.

I guess Haener surprised and impressed people at the Senior Bowl specifically. So sure, why not. Someone to eventually bump Mullens.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 1:56:10 PM   
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More wide receivers are not going to make KFC or the offense any better..

Yea we are thin at CB and other places like OL and DL

The last thing we need is a fn WR.

Disagree.

We need a legit #2. JJ can be taken away if there is no reason to fear anyone else. KJ isn't it.

Bs.

KFC and his inability to process through reads faster than molasses was THE problem.

Go back and look.. mr Checkdown Charlie missed wide open receivers not named Jefferson every fm game because he is a shitty, slow witted, animatronic moron.

He missed Thielen and others being open because his primary was covered so he defaults to Checkdown shit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 1:57:49 PM   
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My gut says Stroud will be a bust, so I like some of those results.

Did DTR take this test ?

I could see Young scoring well there, but I would pass on him because of size. It is disappointing that Richardson performed poorly on it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 2:05:09 PM   
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Todd M.

My gut says Stroud will be a bust, so I like some of those results.

Did DTR take this test ?

I could see Young scoring well there, but I would pass on him because of size. It is disappointing that Richardson performed poorly on it.

DTR took the test but by the time he was done sharpening his pencil, the test was over.

Really marty? Your gut?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 3:20:32 PM   
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More wide receivers are not going to make KFC or the offense any better..

Yea we are thin at CB and other places like OL and DL

The last thing we need is a fn WR.

Disagree.

We need a legit #2. JJ can be taken away if there is no reason to fear anyone else. KJ isn't it.

Bs.

KFC and his inability to process through reads faster than molasses was THE problem.

Go back and look.. mr Checkdown Charlie missed wide open receivers not named Jefferson every fm game because he is a shitty, slow witted, animatronic moron.

He missed Thielen and others being open because his primary was covered so he defaults to Checkdown shit.

My response was not in defense of KC.

It was regarding your last statement.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 3:27:07 PM   
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Lions Jameson Williams suspended for a year:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/21/nfl-suspends-jameson-williams-and-others-for-violating-gambling-policy/
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 3:54:30 PM   
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More wide receivers are not going to make KFC or the offense any better..

Yea we are thin at CB and other places like OL and DL

The last thing we need is a fn WR.

Disagree.

We need a legit #2. JJ can be taken away if there is no reason to fear anyone else. KJ isn't it.

Disagree. Osborn is a legit #2.

Makes no sense to draft a wr at #23. We have 3 stooges on our IOL that can't even block. Our ILB's are suspect and there is no depth. Our DL lacks a stud. Our CB room lacks warm bodies.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 3:56:00 PM   
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Wow!

Lions Jameson Williams suspended for a year:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/21/nfl-suspends-jameson-williams-and-others-for-violating-gambling-policy/

Six games not a year

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 4:24:30 PM   
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Wow!

Lions Jameson Williams suspended for a year:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/04/21/nfl-suspends-jameson-williams-and-others-for-violating-gambling-policy/

Six games not a year


My bad... I thought they were all suspended for a year... only 3 of the 5 were... the other 2 got 6 games.

Rough for the Lions though.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 5:22:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Put me down for Osborne being a legit #2.

Just BC we don't or can't get him the ball more doesn't take away from his talent.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 5:45:01 PM   
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Put me down for Osborne being a legit #2.

Just BC we don't or can't get him the ball more doesn't take away from his talent.


That's what we need to find out.

Was he getting his numbers because teams were "ignoring" him?

Did we not get him the ball because we weren't looking for him, or was he not getting open - thus limiting his chances?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 6:01:51 PM   
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Put him #2.

With our TE's, and JJ being game planned against & we don't need a ton of depth. I.E., we don't have to spend top draft stock trying to get a #2.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 7:00:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have no problem going wr early, depending on who else is available when we pick. If Bradbury or Cleveland or Ingram go down, unfortunately, the difference between them and Schlottman or Reed is mild compared to JJ or Hock going down (to our the passing game.)

I know the knee jerk reaction is, if JJ goes down we’re sunk anyway. Yes for sure, unless you have a decent 2nd and 3rd WR.

Not to mention that a speedster puts a whole new level of hurt on defenses that Osborn and Thielen couldn’t do.

CB, maybe edge depending on our plan with hunter zad or maybe regardless.

As desperate as we’ve been for IOL I dont think you can go through life squandering your top assets on S and IOL and TE.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 7:51:37 PM   
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More wide receivers are not going to make KFC or the offense any better..

Yea we are thin at CB and other places like OL and DL

The last thing we need is a fn WR.

Disagree.

We need a legit #2. JJ can be taken away if there is no reason to fear anyone else. KJ isn't it.

Disagree. Osborn is a legit #2.

Makes no sense to draft a wr at #23. We have 3 stooges on our IOL that can't even block. Our ILB's are suspect and there is no depth. Our DL lacks a stud. Our CB room lacks warm bodies.
. Does anyone even know the names of the WRs left on the roster?

JJ Is the one
Ozzie is now the #2
Does anyone remember this guy?

Xxxxxx ran the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds at the 2022 NFL Scouting Combine, which ranked 19th among this year's receivers, but his impact goes beyond straight-line speed.
The seamless fluidity Xxxxxxx has shown multiple times at multiple levels has made him incredibly effective on double moves.

There is your Three.. had a year in KOC offense as rookie.. averaged 19.1 per catch and ****ing KFC probably couldn’t overthrow him on his best day..

KFC sucks because he is a slow read, one throw or Checkdown QB 75% of the time.
Risk adverse
Cowardly
No sense of urgency when the playoffs are on the line..

Stefon Diggs knew it..

Noped the f out of team and town.

We have more effective receiving targets than we have cornerback, or safeties, or IOL or DL or 3-4 LBs.., but yea.. we gotta spend precious draft capital on a ****ng TC body at WR…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 11:12:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah ... QB and CB are our two obvious priorities in the draft but I'm not selling my soul for one regardless of what else is available.

IMO Osborn is no shoo-in for a solid #2 and Powell Reagor Nailor should be competing for #5 or #6. So WR will get some attention in this draft ...

There is an argument for strengthening your strength while your weakness catches up. If it ever does.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/22/2023 12:10:41 AM   
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Yeah ... QB and CB are our two obvious priorities in the draft but I'm not selling my soul for one regardless of what else is available.

IMO Osborn is no shoo-in for a solid #2 and Powell Reagor Nailor should be competing for #5 or #6. So WR will get some attention in this draft ...

There is an argument for strengthening your strength while your weakness catches up. If it ever does.

Where exactly did Thielen come from again? UDFA walk on?

With limited draft capital, spending any of it on a late round body for tc is pointless.

There are literally hundreds of WR wannabes who will not get drafted..

We got beat or at least bruised badly, many a time, by nobodies like cooper rush, Daniel Jones, and meh running backs having fun gashing the defense with drive sustaining, defense wearing, runs on second, third and fourth downs.

KFC is a boat anchor on playoff wins. Period.

Flores need to patch a run defense and passing defense that Swiss cheese looks air tight comparatively..

I don’t see WR as a need.

I see KFC’s replacement as The biggest need..

Cap sucking, cap rotting, into the future albatross, on the entire franchise.

I might as well be pissing off the bow of an aircraft carrier at flank speed into the North Atlantic in January..

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