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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/19/2023 5:49:22 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/19/2023 6:31:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even though almost any QB gives me more hope than Cousins, SF seems like a smart franchise, so if they're willing to give up this soon on Lance, I don't want him.

Also, he doesn't give you 5 years of a cheap rookie contract.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/19/2023 6:32:47 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 7:58:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen
Thoughts on Trey Lance...should the Vikings trade for him?


For me it depends how his leg looks. If his x rays are good I do it if the asking price is a third (or even two thirds). I read that some worry or compare him to Josh Rosen but you still take the chance.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 4/20/2023 8:27:14 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 8:04:38 AM   
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Thoughts on Trey Lance...should the Vikings trade for him?


No, if Lance was all that the 49ers wouldn't let him go.

I'd rather draft a guy and his cheap contract for 5 years

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 8:32:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lance's contract would be very reasonable for the next two years with SF having to pay the signing bonus....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 10:03:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Without looking at the trading price … after Young and Stroud I would put Lance first (who was the designated starter this past season over Garappolo before his injury), and then Herndon. Well before Levis and Richardson who are real long shots pushed up by desperation at the position.

IMO Lance is probably more a victim of circumstance than someone not meeting expectations. He definitely needs another season or two of seasoning but they all do if they’re not named Brock Purdy. Drafted raw to sit behind a a starter (like we are hoping to do), they saw enough in Lance to pick him as the starter … I just dont buy they’ve given up on him.

I’m sure nobody is more shocked by Purdy’s success than SF. While having 2 potential young long term starters on the roster is a great situation, I assume they would be open to trying to recoup some of the heavy capital they paid to draft Lance. Because they are pro-active, not because they made a bad choice. (its too early to tell)

I wouldnt mind staying put and drafting Levis or Richardson (or Hooker) … because you never know … but trading assets to move up over trading for Lance who STILL looks like a much better prospect on paper just doesnt make sense to me. All things being relative. (I assume Lance would be much more expensive so its just idle talk)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 10:40:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Something doesn't smell right with the Lance situation. Like others have pointed out. If SF is so "smart" why are they trying to get rid of him and roll with Purdy/Darnold and "??"?

I heard (on some national show, not sure which) that they tried to get him an accuracy coach before he got hurt. He was that bad.

Trade back (or up if you have 'a guy') and roll with Cousins for this year. Should have good cap #'s next year and a fresh guy that now knows the system.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 10:50:48 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 11:29:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's possible that SF "knows" something about Lance in regard to him not being or not going to be a good QB. It's also possible that they struck gold with Purdy, know it, and are just wisely trying to get something for Lance. Either way, I don't want him. If he sucks then it's bad for us. If he's awesome, we won't know until 2024 and guess what - that means we get to pay him megabucks the very next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 11:54:28 AM   
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Something doesn't smell right with the Lance situation. Like others have pointed out. If SF is so "smart" why are they trying to get rid of him and roll with Purdy/Darnold and "??"?

I heard (on some national show, not sure which) that they tried to get him an accuracy coach before he got hurt. He was that bad.

Trade back (or up if you have 'a guy') and roll with Cousins for this year. Should have good cap #'s next year and a fresh guy that now knows the system.


I think if you find a 7th rounder; it is a way better contract than even Lance. Rookie 1st rounders drafted early are still paid. Hurts as 2nd not so much. If Purdy as a 7th is the same you roll with him. If you really want to roll with the cheap contract for a QB; the value isn't that great for the top 5 picks.

JJeff at 1.23 4/13million;
Joe Burrow at 1.1 4/36

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 2:07:16 PM   
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Thoughts on Trey Lance...should the Vikings trade for him?


No, Hendon Hooker much better prospect. Not even close in comparison. I was shocked that the 49ers paid so much in draft picks for him. See pre-draft review of Trey Lance here: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 2:23:21 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 2:24:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd much prefer moving up for Stroud or Richardson than trade for Lance. Stroud is better than both. Richardson and Lance have about the same amount of football experience but Richardson is more athletic and we get 5 years of control with Richardson.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 2:31:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 2:57:33 PM   
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If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.


Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 3:01:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Allen

Thoughts on Trey Lance...should the Vikings trade for him?


No, Hendon Hooker much better prospect. Not even close in comparison. I was shocked that the 49ers paid so much in draft picks for him. See pre-draft review of Trey Lance here: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121

Have you compared the Hooker and Lance draft profiles for yourself? Not that they mean a lot.

Or did I misread you ... you meant that Hooker is not close by comparison?

Lance's main drawbacks were lack of experience and being young ... which have been somewhat mitigated by now.

www.nfl.com/prospects/trey-lance/32004c41-4e01-6787-f7d5-ee3cea053121
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/hendon-hooker/3200484f-4f29-7694-9fe6-58ca0d039d74
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/anthony-richardson/32005249-4338-7833-9fd1-1d5e168eb504

Again, we have no idea what it would take to move up or down or trade for any of these prospects ... but just on the basis of QB skills (not freak athleticism) I would take Lance, Hooker before Richardson.

I'll be very disappointed if we don't take a QB in the first two rds. or trade for one.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 3:22:50 PM   
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If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.


Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.


KFC HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE..

HOW MUCH TO BUY THAT OUT?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 3:36:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.


Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.


KFC HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE..

HOW MUCH TO BUY THAT OUT?


My guess is Cousins has more interest in SF than SF has interest in Cousins.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 3:54:03 PM   
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If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.



Sold!

If we could get rid of KFC and recoup just a pick in draft day 4 it would be a good day.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 4:00:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The main reason I am not against Trading for Lance is that we will get to see him for 2023 and 2024 for maybe 2 thirds w/o trading Kirk and 7-8 million in salary or if you trade Kirk you get draft capital.

It would look good on either side of the fence. You can't find an upside backup for less than that and he has QBOTF potential.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 4:10:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

If you trade for Lance you do it by sending them KC, getting Lance and a pick or two. I'd ask for one of their 3rds this year and their 1st next year. I would accept their 2nd if they balk. SF likes KC and they are ready to win, not the right situation for Lance to try and develop in.

Lance starts 2023 and if he's a bust we have a high draft pick for 2024. Pair our pick with the one we get from SF to move near the top of the draft to get the QBOTF, if Lance isn't that.


Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.


KFC HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE..

HOW MUCH TO BUY THAT OUT?


My guess is Cousins has more interest in SF than SF has interest in Cousins.

Yep, pretty sure cousins would jump at the chance to go to a team with San Francisco's roster.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/20/2023 8:44:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.

I used to be of this mindset, and was thinking of the possibility of a QB like Caleb Williams. I now believe that is a pipe dream, and whoever has the 1st pick, will draft him (or whomever the best rated QB is in the next draft).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 5:11:20 AM  1 votes
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 4/21/2023 7:53:44 AM   
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Add in the 2024 1st rounder we get for Hunter and we suddenly have the capital to move into the #1 spot.

I used to be of this mindset, and was thinking of the possibility of a QB like Caleb Williams. I now believe that is a pipe dream, and whoever has the 1st pick, will draft him (or whomever the best rated QB is in the next draft).

It's very rare the #1 overall pick is for sale. This year was an outlier.

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