RE: General Vikes Talk

Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports

Forums Register Login My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums

Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ Ticket List Log Out

RE: General Vikes Talk

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk

Page: << < prev 49 50 [51] 52 53 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 5:31:47 AM

ratoppenheimer

Posts: 9563
Joined: 12/9/2007
From: cascais, portugal...still in exile
Status: offline

.
.
the vikings' opponents are catching 75% of their passes, 2nd highest rate in the league - 70% of those receivers have three yards or more of separation, 4th highest....

it's amazing that we're still 12th in points allowed....

_____________________________

the journey...is paradise.

Post #: 1251

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 7:21:14 AM

Bill Jandro

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The thing I worry about is the Vikes haven't have the game where they seem to hit on all cylinders. I know we have more talent than the Chilly days but it reminds me of his first year.

The ST and OLine have looked great in all 4 games. We seem to play smart on the penalty front and outscoring opponents at the end of each half and as a bonus it seems we have had in edge on the coaching side in 3 of the 4 games.

Not the 2009/1998 juggernauts but they seem to have improved on the meh 2020-21 nots.

Oline did not look great against Saints

JMO YMMV

Probably their worst game, I am not concerned (except Bradbury), but I will not overlook a below average performance for 60 percent of the line

Agreed! The OL looked below average to me and remains a weakness on the team.

The oline struggled mightliy against a below avg dline.

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-offensive-line-colossal-problem/

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft

Post #: 1252

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 8:39:50 AM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 28602
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The thing I worry about is the Vikes haven't have the game where they seem to hit on all cylinders. I know we have more talent than the Chilly days but it reminds me of his first year.

The ST and OLine have looked great in all 4 games. We seem to play smart on the penalty front and outscoring opponents at the end of each half and as a bonus it seems we have had in edge on the coaching side in 3 of the 4 games.

Not the 2009/1998 juggernauts but they seem to have improved on the meh 2020-21 nots.

Oline did not look great against Saints

JMO YMMV

Probably their worst game, I am not concerned (except Bradbury), but I will not overlook a below average performance for 60 percent of the line

Agreed! The OL looked below average to me and remains a weakness on the team.

The oline struggled mightliy against a below avg dline.

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-offensive-line-colossal-problem/

Interesting the article says the Saints are last in pass-rush win ratio. But I don't agree the tackles are part of a "colossal" problem.

Another article in that site says Cook has lost his 5th gear. Posters have said it, I posted that he is still fast based on just a few short(er) runs. Really, he hasn't had much open field to show his speed. Is that on him or the OL or both? Clearly the OL bears a chunk of that responsibility.

Post #: 1253

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 8:41:01 AM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 28602
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

.
.
the vikings' opponents are catching 75% of their passes, 2nd highest rate in the league - 70% of those receivers have three yards or more of separation, 4th highest....

it's amazing that we're still 12th in points allowed....

What's more amazing is there are three teams who have allowed more separation of 3+ yards.

Post #: 1254

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 9:13:36 AM

Bill Jandro

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The thing I worry about is the Vikes haven't have the game where they seem to hit on all cylinders. I know we have more talent than the Chilly days but it reminds me of his first year.

The ST and OLine have looked great in all 4 games. We seem to play smart on the penalty front and outscoring opponents at the end of each half and as a bonus it seems we have had in edge on the coaching side in 3 of the 4 games.

Not the 2009/1998 juggernauts but they seem to have improved on the meh 2020-21 nots.

Oline did not look great against Saints

JMO YMMV

Probably their worst game, I am not concerned (except Bradbury), but I will not overlook a below average performance for 60 percent of the line

Agreed! The OL looked below average to me and remains a weakness on the team.

The oline struggled mightliy against a below avg dline.

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-offensive-line-colossal-problem/

Interesting the article says the Saints are last in pass-rush win ratio. But I don't agree the tackles are part of a "colossal" problem.

Another article in that site says Cook has lost his 5th gear. Posters have said it, I posted that he is still fast based on just a few short(er) runs. Really, he hasn't had much open field to show his speed. Is that on him or the OL or both? Clearly the OL bears a chunk of that responsibility.

Darrisaw graded out pretty good per PFF 75.3 for this game. Don't have O'Neals available but sounded like he had his worst game of the season so far. but that's only 1 game out of 4. Our IOL has been clearly inconsistent from game to game and is the main problem. While Ingram has been up and down he had a 70 grade for this game and Bradbury/Cleveland stunk (but had been doing well previously). I wonder if NO's targeted these two vs Ingram?

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft

Post #: 1255

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 9:43:17 AM 1 votes

Tom Sykes

Posts: 5872
Joined: 7/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The thing I worry about is the Vikes haven't have the game where they seem to hit on all cylinders. I know we have more talent than the Chilly days but it reminds me of his first year.

The ST and OLine have looked great in all 4 games. We seem to play smart on the penalty front and outscoring opponents at the end of each half and as a bonus it seems we have had in edge on the coaching side in 3 of the 4 games.

Not the 2009/1998 juggernauts but they seem to have improved on the meh 2020-21 nots.

Oline did not look great against Saints

JMO YMMV

Probably their worst game, I am not concerned (except Bradbury), but I will not overlook a below average performance for 60 percent of the line

Agreed! The OL looked below average to me and remains a weakness on the team.

The oline struggled mightliy against a below avg dline.

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-offensive-line-colossal-problem/

Interesting the article says the Saints are last in pass-rush win ratio. But I don't agree the tackles are part of a "colossal" problem.

Another article in that site says Cook has lost his 5th gear. Posters have said it, I posted that he is still fast based on just a few short(er) runs. Really, he hasn't had much open field to show his speed. Is that on him or the OL or both? Clearly the OL bears a chunk of that responsibility.

The OL has been great in all four games except two of the four games and maybe two quarters in a third game and several drives in the fourth game

... but overall great.

Not juggernauts but not nots either.

One less dropped ball from Smith and Cook would have all his cylinders back and also look great, and the OL would look even more great than great.

Post #: 1256

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 9:51:01 AM

Tom Sykes

Posts: 5872
Joined: 7/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The thing I worry about is the Vikes haven't have the game where they seem to hit on all cylinders. I know we have more talent than the Chilly days but it reminds me of his first year.

The ST and OLine have looked great in all 4 games. We seem to play smart on the penalty front and outscoring opponents at the end of each half and as a bonus it seems we have had in edge on the coaching side in 3 of the 4 games.

Not the 2009/1998 juggernauts but they seem to have improved on the meh 2020-21 nots.

Oline did not look great against Saints

JMO YMMV

Probably their worst game, I am not concerned (except Bradbury), but I will not overlook a below average performance for 60 percent of the line

Agreed! The OL looked below average to me and remains a weakness on the team.

The oline struggled mightliy against a below avg dline.

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-offensive-line-colossal-problem/

"However, the Vikings, off to their best start since 2016, haven’t felt like a team rolling to a 3-1 record so far."

2016? In my memory, it feels like a 0-16 season (even though we won first 5 games and ended up 8-8).

But I agree 3-1 doesn't feel legit. 'Keeping pace' to maybe 6-3 near the halfway point would impress me more than 3-1 (even though its not quite as impressive sounding).

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 10/5/2022 10:16:04 AM >

Post #: 1257

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 9:54:00 AM

Tom Sykes

Posts: 5872
Joined: 7/27/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

.
.
the vikings' opponents are catching 75% of their passes, 2nd highest rate in the league - 70% of those receivers have three yards or more of separation, 4th highest....

it's amazing that we're still 12th in points allowed....

They obviously haven't scrutinized Dantzler the way that I have.

He's a peach!

Post #: 1258

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 10:02:24 AM

Brad H

Posts: 22986
Joined: 8/16/2007
From: Parts Unknown
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Power Ranking 9.

GB 4

So a team we smashed and 4 teams with worse records (2-2) ahead of us. Makes no sense.

They have a quarterback with a proven history of showing up when it matters. We don't.

That make any sense?

If The Vikes and their star QB went 13-3 three years in row and with no SB trophies to show for it I doubt anyone would be talking about getting it done when it matters most.

**** Rodgers.

We can revisit this conversation when Cousins gets the Vikings to 13-3....three years in a row.

_____________________________

Defense starts at the corners!

Post #: 1259

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 10:09:41 AM

ratoppenheimer

Posts: 9563
Joined: 12/9/2007
From: cascais, portugal...still in exile
Status: offline

The Minnesota Vikings have reportedly signed the man who was cut by the Chicago Bears when the team made room for Armon Watts in September.

That’s the NFL’s circle of life, and Khyiris Tonga is now a member of the Vikings, according to his agent David Canter.

Tonga is a large human, standing 6’4″ and weighing over 320 pounds. A nose tackle, Tonga appears to be heading for the Vikings active roster, at least for a while. He lived on the Atlanta Falcons practice squad until Tuesday, switching NFC teams to serve as a backup with Ross Blacklock to Harrison Phillips, the Vikings starter.

_____________________________

the journey...is paradise.

Post #: 1260

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 10:50:56 AM

ronhextall

Posts: 6271
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

.
.
the vikings' opponents are catching 75% of their passes, 2nd highest rate in the league - 70% of those receivers have three yards or more of separation, 4th highest....

it's amazing that we're still 12th in points allowed....

I am worried that this reinforces the "it's ok to sag off a butt load defense".

Post #: 1261

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 10:54:07 AM

marty

Posts: 13049
Joined: 12/28/2007
Status: offline

Glad Tonga is a human.

_____________________________

SKOL to the BOWL !!!

Post #: 1262

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 11:22:54 AM

drviking

Posts: 36160
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: South Dakota
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Glad Tonga is a human.

SPECIEST!

SHAME SHAME SHAME

_____________________________

"Only one thing left to do..."

Post #: 1263

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 11:30:49 AM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 27426
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Glad Tonga is a human.

SPECIEST!

SHAME SHAME SHAME

Any more Tongas around; can't create a Tonga wall w/o a 2nd.

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 1264

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 11:37:09 AM

thebigo

Posts: 28303
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

quote:

ORIGINAL: drviking

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The thing I worry about is the Vikes haven't have the game where they seem to hit on all cylinders. I know we have more talent than the Chilly days but it reminds me of his first year.

The ST and OLine have looked great in all 4 games. We seem to play smart on the penalty front and outscoring opponents at the end of each half and as a bonus it seems we have had in edge on the coaching side in 3 of the 4 games.

Not the 2009/1998 juggernauts but they seem to have improved on the meh 2020-21 nots.

Oline did not look great against Saints

JMO YMMV

Probably their worst game, I am not concerned (except Bradbury), but I will not overlook a below average performance for 60 percent of the line

Agreed! The OL looked below average to me and remains a weakness on the team.

The oline struggled mightliy against a below avg dline.

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/kirk-cousins-offensive-line-colossal-problem/

Interesting the article says the Saints are last in pass-rush win ratio. But I don't agree the tackles are part of a "colossal" problem.

Another article in that site says Cook has lost his 5th gear. Posters have said it, I posted that he is still fast based on just a few short(er) runs. Really, he hasn't had much open field to show his speed. Is that on him or the OL or both? Clearly the OL bears a chunk of that responsibility.

Darrisaw graded out pretty good per PFF 75.3 for this game. Don't have O'Neals available but sounded like he had his worst game of the season so far. but that's only 1 game out of 4. Our IOL has been clearly inconsistent from game to game and is the main problem. While Ingram has been up and down he had a 70 grade for this game and Bradbury/Cleveland stunk (but had been doing well previously). I wonder if NO's targeted these two vs Ingram?

I did see Cleveland limping back to the huddle on one play so he might have been hobbled

Post #: 1265

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 11:40:06 AM

Ricky J

Posts: 18357
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline

Huh, does this mean there are only 7 good centers in the NFL? - a little surprised to see this tweet from Inman

Luke Inman
@Luke_Spinman
·
3h
Garrett Bradbury ranks 8th among all centers in BOTH pass & run block win rate

Christian Darrisaw now the #1 OT in NFL in run block win rate according to ESPN w 84% #Skol

Post #: 1266

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 12:03:37 PM

ratoppenheimer

Posts: 9563
Joined: 12/9/2007
From: cascais, portugal...still in exile
Status: offline

.
.
pff rankings by position....

darrisaw...8th
cleveland...29th
bradbury...18th
ingram...35th
o'neill...16th

tyler linderbaum...20th

.

< Message edited by ratoppenheimer -- 10/6/2022 1:51:12 AM >

_____________________________

the journey...is paradise.

Post #: 1267

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 12:10:45 PM

ratoppenheimer

Posts: 9563
Joined: 12/9/2007
From: cascais, portugal...still in exile
Status: offline

.
.
from the daily norseman....

In addition to signing second-year defensive lineman Khyiris Tonga on Tuesday, the Minnesota Vikings have made several other roster moves that we’ll get you caught up on here.

In order to make room for Tonga on the roster, the team officially placed Lewis Cine on injured reserve, as expected.

The Vikings also activated LB Ryan Connelly from the Physically Unable to Perform List. After Connelly was activated, he was waived by the team.

Minnesota also announced that they have terminated the practice squad contracts of defensive lineman Jaylen Twyman and wide receiver Travis Toivonen. Personally, I’m a bit disappointed that Twyman is gone. Perhaps he’ll be back in the future.

The team has also announced that they have signed safety Mike Brown to the practice squad. Brown spent the preseason with the Vikings and had some moments that he stood out but was ultimately part of the team’s final cuts.

Lastly, the Vikings have announced that WR Blake Proehl has returned to practice. Proehl, the son of long-time NFL receiver Ricky Proehl, tore his ACL during Training Camp in 2021 and has been recovering since then. As he has now returned to practice, the Vikings have 21 days to decide whether or not to place him on the 53-man roster. He can practice with the team during that stretch, but if the Vikings decide not to put him on the main roster he will revert to the PUP list and be out for the season.

With the moves and transactions over the past couple of days, the Vikings’ practice squad is now as follows:

QB David Blough
S Mike Brown
WR Dan Chisena
S Myles Dorn
OLB Chris Garrett
CB Tay Gowan
OL Kyle Hinton
TE Jacob Hollister
WR Trishton Jackson
RB Bryant Koback
LB William Kwenkeu
TE Nick Muse
CB Duke Shelley
DL T.J. Smith
C Josh Sokol

There is an open spot on the practice squad as things stand right now. We’ll see who the purple decide to sign to fill in that spot.

_____________________________

the journey...is paradise.

Post #: 1268

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 2:36:40 PM

Ricky J

Posts: 18357
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline

Biggest difference between this year and last?

https://twitter.com/Str8_Cash_Homey/status/1577552738497413120?s=20&t=uPPs7p5RB9Hj5_N50I4r0w

Post #: 1269

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 6:12:18 PM

Bill Jandro

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline

Here is a nice link from ESPN with their grades on oline and dline win rates

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34536376/2022-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

< Message edited by Bill Jandro -- 10/5/2022 7:22:25 PM >

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft

Post #: 1270

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 6:17:02 PM

Bill Jandro

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline

Viking team ranking win rate

Pass rush 30th
Run stop 18th

Pass block 6th
Run block 7th

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft

Post #: 1271

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 6:52:01 PM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 28602
Status: offline

Got Jandro going on that win-rate stuff

Post #: 1272

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 6:55:32 PM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 28602
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Viking team ranking win rate

Pass rush 30th
Run stop 18th

Pass block 6th
Run block 7th

Run block 7th? Pass the pipe ESPN, PFF, or whoever.

Cook and Mattison are a great combo, but wow they are having to struggle for yards.

Post #: 1273

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 7:23:50 PM

Bill Jandro

Posts: 17928
Joined: 8/13/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Viking team ranking win rate

Pass rush 30th
Run stop 18th

Pass block 6th
Run block 7th

Run block 7th? Pass the pipe ESPN, PFF, or whoever.

Cook and Mattison are a great combo, but wow they are having to struggle for yards.

Agreed. 6th in pass block seems a bit out there as well.

_____________________________

Oline...early and often this draft

Post #: 1274

RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/5/2022 7:33:58 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

Posts: 19617
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Viking team ranking win rate

Pass rush 30th
Run stop 18th

Pass block 6th
Run block 7th

Run block 7th? Pass the pipe ESPN, PFF, or whoever.

Cook and Mattison are a great combo, but wow they are having to struggle for yards.

Agreed. 6th in pass block seems a bit out there as well.

While I agree that seems too high I don't think they're terrible either. Kirk makes them look worse by holding the ball too long at times and looking panic stricken at other times. The run blocking has seemed worse imo.

Post #: 1275