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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Well Moran pitched like a Moron and Rockhead left him out there for the duration. Barring an improbably DP from Miranda it would have looked even worse.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

I have a much higher opinion of Arraez than most in here. He was the guy I wanted up in just about any situation. He's off to an even better start this year. I hope he has a monster year.

Lopez is also off to a great start and I hope he has a monster year. We needed pitching to compete and so far look like we are getting it.

Time will tell who won the trade, but we definitely need better production from the lineup. I lost faith in Kepler last year and remain very concerned with Kirilloff and his wrist issues. Hopefully Lewis will be a productive run producer when he gets the chance.

I was a fan of Arraez at the plate. His eye and his ability to make contact on just about everything was very impressive. If he could've been slotted in as the everyday 2B I wouldn't have had a problem with him being on the team. I did not like him at 1B. Too small and no power. I love that we got a potential ace for him and a couple of prospects. Luis had 1 tool. It was a very good tool, but I'm glad we sold high on him.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Using Wins and Losses as the gauge for the value of a pitcher, especially in this era, is ASSININE!

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Using Wins and Losses as the gauge for the value of a pitcher, especially in this era, is ASSININE!

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Using Wins and Losses as the gauge for the value of a pitcher, especially in this era, is ASSININE!

He has a 3.83 lifetime ERA. Marginal, but not great. Lets give it some time and see how it shakes out by the All Star Break.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Let's look at Lopez's career.

1. 29-32 is a product of playing for shit teams.

2. His ERA is 3.83 despite his first two years, when he was just 22 & 23,being 4.14 and 5.09. Since then he has been 3.61, 3.07, 3.75 and currently 1.73.

3. He has a career average of 8.8 K per 9 innings.

4. is just entering his prime at age 27 and has front line stuff built around a 95-97 mph fastball.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Well Moran pitched like a Moron and Rockhead left him out there for the duration. Barring an improbably DP from Miranda it would have looked even worse.

They had a day off yesterday, why didn't Rockhead run Duran out for another inning? Why is Moran even on this roster?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Let's look at Lopez's career.

1. 29-32 is a product of playing for shit teams.

2. His ERA is 3.83 despite his first two years, when he was just 22 & 23,being 4.14 and 5.09. Since then he has been 3.61, 3.07, 3.75 and currently 1.73.

3. He has a career average of 8.8 K per 9 innings.

4. is just entering his prime at age 27 and has front line stuff built around a 95-97 mph fastball.

Bingo

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

Give that spin to the guys that select the Cy Young Award. They'll laugh you out of the building. At the end of the day, it's always about wins and losses.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

Give that spin to the guys that select the Cy Young Award. They'll laugh you out of the building. At the end of the day, it's always about wins and losses.

It may have been 30-50 years ago but not anymore. the voters have all but stopped looking at the number of wins as a factor.

It was preposterous to consider the 20 win Chieng-Meng Wang a candidate for the Cy over the 19 win Johan Santana, but that argument was actually made despite the fact that in every single metric outside of wins/losses Santana crushed Wang.

Felix Hernandez and Zack Greinke both won the Cy despite low win totals playing for otherwise bad teams. they dominated and just suffered from poor run support.

It's not spin.

It's fact. There are far too many factors that go into how a pitcher is awarded a win that have nothing to do with the pitcher, and the rules for getting a win, (for a starter you need to complete five innings, but for a loss you don't even have to get an out, and a relief pitcher can earn a win getting just one out) are so uneven it's laughable.

You need to look at stats that show how the pitcher keeps hitters off the basepaths and keeps the ones on the basepaths from scoring.

If you really look at those metrics since Pablo Lopez joined the team you will find a pitcher that is pretty damned good at his job.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

Give that spin to the guys that select the Cy Young Award. They'll laugh you out of the building. At the end of the day, it's always about wins and losses.

It may have been 30-50 years ago but not anymore. the voters have all but stopped looking at the number of wins as a factor.

It was preposterous to consider the 20 win Chieng-Meng Wang a candidate for the Cy over the 19 win Johan Santana, but that argument was actually made despite the fact that in every single metric outside of wins/losses Santana crushed Wang.

Felix Hernandez and Zack Greinke both won the Cy despite low win totals playing for otherwise bad teams. they dominated and just suffered from poor run support.

It's not spin.

It's fact. There are far too many factors that go into how a pitcher is awarded a win that have nothing to do with the pitcher, and the rules for getting a win, (for a starter you need to complete five innings, but for a loss you don't even have to get an out, and a relief pitcher can earn a win getting just one out) are so uneven it's laughable.

You need to look at stats that show how the pitcher keeps hitters off the basepaths and keeps the ones on the basepaths from scoring.

If you really look at those metrics since Pablo Lopez joined the team you will find a pitcher that is pretty damned good at his job.

Did any win a Cy Young at 29-32 with a 3.83?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

Give that spin to the guys that select the Cy Young Award. They'll laugh you out of the building. At the end of the day, it's always about wins and losses.

It may have been 30-50 years ago but not anymore. the voters have all but stopped looking at the number of wins as a factor.

It was preposterous to consider the 20 win Chieng-Meng Wang a candidate for the Cy over the 19 win Johan Santana, but that argument was actually made despite the fact that in every single metric outside of wins/losses Santana crushed Wang.

Felix Hernandez and Zack Greinke both won the Cy despite low win totals playing for otherwise bad teams. they dominated and just suffered from poor run support.

It's not spin.

It's fact. There are far too many factors that go into how a pitcher is awarded a win that have nothing to do with the pitcher, and the rules for getting a win, (for a starter you need to complete five innings, but for a loss you don't even have to get an out, and a relief pitcher can earn a win getting just one out) are so uneven it's laughable.

You need to look at stats that show how the pitcher keeps hitters off the basepaths and keeps the ones on the basepaths from scoring.

If you really look at those metrics since Pablo Lopez joined the team you will find a pitcher that is pretty damned good at his job.

Did any win a Cy Young at 29-32 with a 3.83?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

Using Wins and Losses as the gauge for the value of a pitcher, especially in this era, is ASSININE!

He has a 3.83 lifetime ERA. Marginal, but not great. Lets give it some time and see how it shakes out by the All Star Break.

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Dang it, Pablo is now in a tie with 59 others for the most starts. It's over!

Again your just cherry picking what I said. Another QAnon tactic.

I've got a better idea....don't use it in your argument. That way it can't come back to haunt you.

When you stop using Wins/Losses to judge a pitcher...

Give that spin to the guys that select the Cy Young Award. They'll laugh you out of the building. At the end of the day, it's always about wins and losses.

It may have been 30-50 years ago but not anymore. the voters have all but stopped looking at the number of wins as a factor.

It was preposterous to consider the 20 win Chieng-Meng Wang a candidate for the Cy over the 19 win Johan Santana, but that argument was actually made despite the fact that in every single metric outside of wins/losses Santana crushed Wang.

Felix Hernandez and Zack Greinke both won the Cy despite low win totals playing for otherwise bad teams. they dominated and just suffered from poor run support.

It's not spin.

It's fact. There are far too many factors that go into how a pitcher is awarded a win that have nothing to do with the pitcher, and the rules for getting a win, (for a starter you need to complete five innings, but for a loss you don't even have to get an out, and a relief pitcher can earn a win getting just one out) are so uneven it's laughable.

You need to look at stats that show how the pitcher keeps hitters off the basepaths and keeps the ones on the basepaths from scoring.

If you really look at those metrics since Pablo Lopez joined the team you will find a pitcher that is pretty damned good at his job.

Did any win a Cy Young at 29-32 with a 3.83?

That's a lot of decisions for 1 season