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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 10:45:44 AM

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Sonny Gray pitches 7 shutout innings, Gallo hits another bomb and the Twins keep their uniforms urine free, beating the Skanks 5-1. Win tonight and the Twins take the season series. Polanco continues to produce in his return with two hits and 3 rbi.

Even Moran couldn't manage to blow it. He did continue to demonstrate that he doesn't belong in the major leagues. Moran is basically the left handed Emilio Pagan.

Moran needs a stint at AAA. He showed signs last year of having some talent. Needs to work on confidence.

Pagan just sucks. He needs to go.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 12:12:34 PM

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I'll take Gallo at 1st over Arraez anyday and twice against a righty.

2023 Stats:

Arraez
BA: .444
OB%: .506
SLG%: .583
OPS: 1.090

Gallo
BA: .243
OB%: .364
SLG%: .757
OPS: 1.121

Gallo hits home runs. The rest of the at-bats, you might as well send air to the plate.

Any day, and twice on Sundays? The guy has struck out 13 times in 37 at-bats. Good luck when the at-bat means something.

Gallo has almost caught Arraez's OB% for last season...

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 2:31:51 PM

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I'll take Gallo at 1st over Arraez anyday and twice against a righty.

2023 Stats:

Arraez
BA: .444
OB%: .506
SLG%: .583
OPS: 1.090

Gallo
BA: .243
OB%: .364
SLG%: .757
OPS: 1.121

Gallo hits home runs. The rest of the at-bats, you might as well send air to the plate.

Any day, and twice on Sundays? The guy has struck out 13 times in 37 at-bats. Good luck when the at-bat means something.

Just wait until Arreaz twinges his knee; like he has the past 4 years. It isn't just Gallo that can play first either; Kirilloff who is due back, Gallo, and Miranda.

Arreaz is a man w/o a position. The Twins had to DH him and play him at 1B.

If you can't understand hitting is only a third of the game.......

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 8:11:52 PM

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Buxton with a BIG Fly!!!

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 8:22:55 PM

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Buxton with a BIG Fly!!!

Saw it! Hockey game sucking. Going Wolves now.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 9:17:43 PM

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That was fun
Ortiz was on the Twins the last time we had a season winning record against NY

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/25/2023 9:18:54 PM

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First season series win against the Yanks since 2001!

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 6:36:56 AM

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Go for the sweep

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 6:53:07 AM 1 votes

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I'll take Gallo at 1st over Arraez anyday and twice against a righty.

2023 Stats:

Arraez
BA: .444
OB%: .506
SLG%: .583
OPS: 1.090

Gallo
BA: .243
OB%: .364
SLG%: .757
OPS: 1.121

Gallo hits home runs. The rest of the at-bats, you might as well send air to the plate.

Any day, and twice on Sundays? The guy has struck out 13 times in 37 at-bats. Good luck when the at-bat means something.

Just wait until Arreaz twinges his knee; like he has the past 4 years. It isn't just Gallo that can play first either; Kirilloff who is due back, Gallo, and Miranda.

Arreaz is a man w/o a position. The Twins had to DH him and play him at 1B.

If you can't understand hitting is only a third of the game.......

Not sure why you keep referring to him as a first baseman. He has played primarily second base all season for Miami. Just because the Twins played him out of position isn't his fault. 79 total chances so far....ZERO errors. Not sure how one can get any better than that.

MLB Rank:
Batting Average #1
On-Base % #1
Slugging % #13
OPS #6

And let me repeat...HE HAS STRUCK OUT FOUR TIMES IN 81 PLATE APPEARANCES! He's literally the toughest guy in the league to strikeout, which drives up pitch counts for opposing pitchers.

ZERO errors in the field. You can find 1,000 baseball scouts and I can almost guarantee you that all 1,000 will agree that that's a pretty good number.

You can keep talking nonsense all you want. The guy is a player.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:16:44 AM

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I'll take Gallo at 1st over Arraez anyday and twice against a righty.

2023 Stats:

Arraez
BA: .444
OB%: .506
SLG%: .583
OPS: 1.090

Gallo
BA: .243
OB%: .364
SLG%: .757
OPS: 1.121

Gallo hits home runs. The rest of the at-bats, you might as well send air to the plate.

Any day, and twice on Sundays? The guy has struck out 13 times in 37 at-bats. Good luck when the at-bat means something.

Just wait until Arreaz twinges his knee; like he has the past 4 years. It isn't just Gallo that can play first either; Kirilloff who is due back, Gallo, and Miranda.

Arreaz is a man w/o a position. The Twins had to DH him and play him at 1B.

If you can't understand hitting is only a third of the game.......

Not sure why you keep referring to him as a first baseman. He has played primarily second base all season for Miami. Just because the Twins played him out of position isn't his fault. 79 total chances so far....ZERO errors. Not sure how one can get any better than that.

MLB Rank:
Batting Average #1
On-Base % #1
Slugging % #13
OPS #6

And let me repeat...HE HAS STRUCK OUT FOUR TIMES IN 81 PLATE APPEARANCES! He's literally the toughest guy in the league to strikeout, which drives up pitch counts for opposing pitchers.

ZERO errors in the field. You can find 1,000 baseball scouts and I can almost guarantee you that all 1,000 will agree that that's a pretty good number.

You can keep talking nonsense all you want. The guy is a player.

Polanco is our 2b with Lee, Julien, and Lewis in tow......

LET ME REPEAT....Twins trusted him more at 1B and DH last year than 2b.

How man Twins games did you watch last year or this year?

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:20:45 AM

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Most people would agree that Rod Carew was one of the greatest pure hitters of all time. For me, it was either Carew or Tony Gwynn.

Lets compare the numbers to Arraez.

Lifetime Batting Average:
Gwynn, .338
Carew, .328
Arraez, .321

Lifetime OB%:
Carew, .393
Gwynn, .388
Arraez, .381

Lifetime Slugging %:
Gwynn, .459
Carew, .429
Arraez, .418

Lifetime Fielding % at 2nd Base:
Arraez, .987
Carew, .973
Gwynn played OF, which is very different

Lifetime Overall Fielding %:
Arraez, .988
Carew, .985
Gwynn played OF, which is very different

Rod Carew was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1991. Tony Gwynn was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2007. Arraez's numbers are not that far off from either one of those guys, and he's just starting to hit the prime of his career.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:45:40 AM

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Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:48:33 AM

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Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:56:11 AM

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Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

So you don't watch Twins games then?

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:57:23 AM

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Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

So you don't watch Twins games then?

For a guy that has a rich and full life, I watch as many as I can. Have been since the late 60's.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:59:49 AM

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Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

So you don't watch Twins games then?

For a guy that has a rich and full life, I watch as many as I can. Have been since the late 60's.

How many do you say in your rich and full life you watched this year and last two years (when we saw Arreaz hobble the 2nd half of the year.
No one is disagreeing with you that Arreaz can hit; Miami at one time had Zac Gallen. Teams that need pitching talk to teams that need hitting.

Do you think Arizona would like to have Duran back in the Escobar trade a few years back?

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 7:59:53 AM

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I've been very critical of Falvine in the past, but I have to admit that the Joe Ryan trade is shaping up to be one of the great steals in Twins history. He is currently 5-0 with a 2.81 ERA, 0.813 WHIP, 10.1 K/9 and 9.0 K/BB. He's off to a great start.

I'm really happy with the top of the rotation on this team. This is the best 1-3 the Twins have had in many years. If the Falvine pitching pipeline ever kicks in maybe guys like Ober and Varland can force their way up and knock Mahle and Maeda out and make this a really special rotation.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:01:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

So you don't watch Twins games then?

For a guy that has a rich and full life, I watch as many as I can. Have been since the late 60's.

How many do you say in your rich and full life you watched this year and last two years (when we saw Arreaz hobble the 2nd half of the year)?

Guys get hurt. It's professional sports.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:01:51 AM

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I've been very critical of Falvine in the past, but I have to admit that the Joe Ryan trade is shaping up to be one of the great steals in Twins history. He is currently 5-0 with a 2.81 ERA, 0.813 WHIP, 10.1 K/9 and 9.0 K/BB. He's off to a great start.

I'm really happy with the top of the rotation on this team. This is the best 1-3 the Twins have had in many years. If the Falvine pitching pipeline ever kicks in maybe guys like Ober and Varland can force their way up and knock Mahle and Maeda out and make this a really special rotation.

Ryan looks like a dude. Agreed on that.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:07:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

So you don't watch Twins games then?

For a guy that has a rich and full life, I watch as many as I can. Have been since the late 60's.

How many do you say in your rich and full life you watched this year and last two years (when we saw Arreaz hobble the 2nd half of the year)?

Guys get hurt. It's professional sports.

He has been hurt every 2nd half the last 3 and we have tons of depth at 2b...your argument is a strawman as everyone knows Arreaz can hit....health and defense never hold up over a full year.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:08:41 AM

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Get back to me when Arraez sustains it for 19 years.

You could say the same for anyone playing the game today. The days of Cal Ripken are over with.

The bottom line is, Luis Arraez is one of the best pure hitters in baseball and we traded him for a guy that is under .500 as a pitcher (and plays once every five games). That sounds like a pretty poor decision to me.

The point is that comparing Arraez to two HOF players who's careers spanned decades is completely and utterly ridiculous. Arraez's career doesn't include any numbers from the inevitable late career decline. Since Gwynn and Carew left the game there have been many guys who have come along and hit like Arraez, even won a batting title or two and then faded. Our own Joe Mauer comes to mind (pre-concussion of course). If you want to debate the here and now, that's fine, but leave the Carew and Gwynn comparisons out of it until they become relevant to an Arraez discussion...which they currently are not.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:12:17 AM

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Here is the one thing you guys are missing from the big picture. You are all encouraged about the young pitching and their futures. What you forget is that we aren't a big market team and once those guy hit their stride (if they ever do) they will be gone.

If the Twins are going to win a title, they are going to have to catch lightning in a bottle (which is what they did in both '87 and '91). Both times they won it all they didn't have great pitching staffs. They had a handful of guys that kept them in games and had 4-5 guys with career years at the plate.

The Minnesota Twins are never going to have a rotation that looks like the Braves from the 90's or most recently the Dodgers. It's a nice thought, but it's not reality.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:33:06 AM

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Here is the one thing you guys are missing from the big picture. You are all encouraged about the young pitching and their futures. What you forget is that we aren't a big market team and once those guy hit their stride (if they ever do) they will be gone.

If the Twins are going to win a title, they are going to have to catch lightning in a bottle (which is what they did in both '87 and '91). Both times they won it all they didn't have great pitching staffs. They had a handful of guys that kept them in games and had 4-5 guys with career years at the plate.

The Minnesota Twins are never going to have a rotation that looks like the Braves from the 90's or most recently the Dodgers. It's a nice thought, but it's not reality.

Joe Ryan, Pablo Lopez and the old Vet Gray....eerily similar to 1991 (Tapani, Erickson, Morris). In addition this is the most pitching depth they have had in a very long time in the bullpen and rotation. Exactly the reason why you jump on the Lopez trade and sign him.....Ryan and Lopez alone is the best 1 and 2 we have had in a long time before you even consider what Gray has done this year.

They also have more depth on Defense and Offense w/o Arreaz....which brings me back to the same question. How much Twins baseball have you watched this year and the 2 years prior....Injuries, Pagan, BUNDY, and ARCHER were the demise in 2022. If you think pitching wasn't a problem......Arreaz hitting didn't get us far in 2022...he is one minor piece to the puzzle.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:34:53 AM

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Here is the one thing you guys are missing from the big picture. You are all encouraged about the young pitching and their futures. What you forget is that we aren't a big market team and once those guy hit their stride (if they ever do) they will be gone.

If the Twins are going to win a title, they are going to have to catch lightning in a bottle (which is what they did in both '87 and '91). Both times they won it all they didn't have great pitching staffs. They had a handful of guys that kept them in games and had 4-5 guys with career years at the plate.

The Minnesota Twins are never going to have a rotation that looks like the Braves from the 90's or most recently the Dodgers. It's a nice thought, but it's not reality.

Joe Ryan, Pablo Lopez and the old Vet Gray....eerily similar to 1991 (Tapani, Erickson, Morris). In addition this is the most pitching depth they have had in a very long time in the bullpen and rotation. Exactly the reason why you jump on the Lopez trade and sign him.....Ryan and Lopez alone is the best 1 and 2 we have had in a long time before you even consider what Gray has done this year.

They also have more depth on Defense and Offense w/o Arreaz....which brings me back to the same question. How much Twins baseball have you watched this year and the 2 years prior....Injuries, Pagan, BUNDY, and ARCHER were the demise in 2022. If you think pitching wasn't a problem......Arreaz hitting didn't get us far in 2022...he is one minor piece to the puzzle.

I'll be at the upcoming Dodgers and Angels series'. How about you?

Eerily similar? Where did you come up with that? Jack Morris had been in the league for 15 years and won nearly 200 games by the time he played for the Twins. Are you comparing Sonny Gray to Jack Morris? Gray has never won more than 14 games. Morris did that 13 times.

But I forgot, you guys don't think wins is a pertinent statistic.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 4/26/2023 8:38:22 AM

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Ryan and Lopez are under team control for several more years. Ober, Varland, Woods-Richardson, etc. will be under team control for a lot longer than that. If Falvine has finally worked out the kinks in their pitching development program, the Twins will be set up for starting pitching for a few years.

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