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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/6/2023 8:07:51 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 7:06:23 AM   
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The first says what the writer would offer Berrios, not what Berrios asked for.

The second one is someone claiming Doogie said something. Doogie didn't know the specifics of any negotiations.

Berrios also didn't have any significant fall off after the trade that would have reduced his value. The Twins never go more than 4 years for a pitcher. My guess is if Berrios's agent said $20M, it was on a 4 year deal. The most likely scenario is that the Twins offered on a 4 year deal what Berrios was looking for on a 7 year deal.


The agent said that after he was traded. Berrios wanted Wheeler money and we wanted Wheeler (a true #1).

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 7:24:21 AM   
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The first says what the writer would offer Berrios, not what Berrios asked for.

The second one is someone claiming Doogie said something. Doogie didn't know the specifics of any negotiations.

Berrios also didn't have any significant fall off after the trade that would have reduced his value. The Twins never go more than 4 years for a pitcher. My guess is if Berrios's agent said $20M, it was on a 4 year deal. The most likely scenario is that the Twins offered on a 4 year deal what Berrios was looking for on a 7 year deal.


The agent said that after he was traded. Berrios wanted Wheeler money and we wanted Wheeler (a true #1).

Phil, if you honestly believe the Twins offered Berrios anywhere in the neighborhood of 7 year - $131M, I'd like to send you my address, so you can ship me a couple of pounds of whatever your smoking.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 9:20:48 AM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 10:49:41 AM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 6:03:35 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 6:30:48 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 6:42:38 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 7:25:35 PM   
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It’s sad when the other team gets 1 run and I lose interest in the game.
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 8:06:10 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 8:25:31 PM   
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They can't fire Popkins soon enough

I don't know that it's Merry Popkins. You can't expect him to take a pile of chicken manuer and turn it into chicken salad. The lack of hitting is the other side of the same coin for pitching development. The denomination of that coin is that Falvey and Levine suck at their jobs. They went all in on launch angle exit velocity players who strike out a lot. Other than Lewis, they haven't drafted anyone in the first round who even makes much contact.

Year 1: Brent Rooker - strike out machine, mega bust.
Year 2: Trevor Larnach - can't hit a breaking pitch to save his soul, Pedro Cerrano
Year 3: Keoni Cavacao - #13 overall pick, strike out machine. Was a bust in the Gulf Coast League.
Matt Wallner: Promising hitting prospect, but still a bit strike out prone.
Year 4: Aaron Sabato - If the back to back picks of Cavacao and Sabato didn't convince Falvine that Sean Johnson doesn't know what he is doing, nothing will.
Year 5: Twins drafted a pitcher and traded him to get Sonny Gray.
Year 6: Brooks Lee - TBD

Basically, Edouard Julien looks like the only real prospect in AAA who makes a lot of contact. I repeat, Falvey and Levine suck at their jobs.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 8:51:39 PM   
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I really miss Arraez. At least we were guaranteed some professional at bats.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 9:04:29 PM  1 votes
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 9:20:09 PM   
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They can't fire Popkins soon enough

I don't know that it's Merry Popkins. You can't expect him to take a pile of chicken manuer and turn it into chicken salad. The lack of hitting is the other side of the same coin for pitching development. The denomination of that coin is that Falvey and Levine suck at their jobs. They went all in on launch angle exit velocity players who strike out a lot. Other than Lewis, they haven't drafted anyone in the first round who even makes much contact.

Year 1: Brent Rooker - strike out machine, mega bust.
Year 2: Trevor Larnach - can't hit a breaking pitch to save his soul, Pedro Cerrano
Year 3: Keoni Cavacao - #13 overall pick, strike out machine. Was a bust in the Gulf Coast League.
Matt Wallner: Promising hitting prospect, but still a bit strike out prone.
Year 4: Aaron Sabato - If the back to back picks of Cavacao and Sabato didn't convince Falvine that Sean Johnson doesn't know what he is doing, nothing will.
Year 5: Twins drafted a pitcher and traded him to get Sonny Gray.
Year 6: Brooks Lee - TBD

Basically, Edouard Julien looks like the only real prospect in AAA who makes a lot of contact. I repeat, Falvey and Levine suck at their jobs.


Were they this terrible 2 years ago? Popkins took over and made them worse. THey've been going downhill even more this year.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 9:21:18 PM   
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ear 3: Keoni Cavacao - #13 overall pick, strike out machine. Was a bust in the Gulf Coast League.


So awesome at third base....

He's now at first in Cedar Rapids, hitting under .200

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 11:34:45 PM   
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They can't fire Popkins soon enough

Shouldn't his name be changed to Poopkins? Asking for a friend...

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/7/2023 11:39:02 PM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 5:31:35 AM   
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Sad thing is Arraez wouldn’t make much difference. He’d get stranded on first a lot in this lineup.



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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 5:38:29 AM  1 votes
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They can't fire Popkins soon enough

I don't know that it's Merry Popkins. You can't expect him to take a pile of chicken manuer and turn it into chicken salad. The lack of hitting is the other side of the same coin for pitching development. The denomination of that coin is that Falvey and Levine suck at their jobs. They went all in on launch angle exit velocity players who strike out a lot. Other than Lewis, they haven't drafted anyone in the first round who even makes much contact.

Year 1: Brent Rooker - strike out machine, mega bust.
Year 2: Trevor Larnach - can't hit a breaking pitch to save his soul, Pedro Cerrano
Year 3: Keoni Cavacao - #13 overall pick, strike out machine. Was a bust in the Gulf Coast League.
Matt Wallner: Promising hitting prospect, but still a bit strike out prone.
Year 4: Aaron Sabato - If the back to back picks of Cavacao and Sabato didn't convince Falvine that Sean Johnson doesn't know what he is doing, nothing will.
Year 5: Twins drafted a pitcher and traded him to get Sonny Gray.
Year 6: Brooks Lee - TBD

Basically, Edouard Julien looks like the only real prospect in AAA who makes a lot of contact. I repeat, Falvey and Levine suck at their jobs.


Were they this terrible 2 years ago? Popkins took over and made them worse. THey've been going downhill even more this year.

I think we have a bunch of shitty hitters to begin with and Popkins isn't the guy to get the most out of them. My underlying point is that Falvey and Levine suck. They assembled this batting order. They hired Popkins. They think Rocco walks on water. They need to go yesterday.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 5:40:22 AM   
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ear 3: Keoni Cavacao - #13 overall pick, strike out machine. Was a bust in the Gulf Coast League.


So awesome at third base....

He's now at first in Cedar Rapids, hitting under .200

When we drafted him, I called him Matt Moses II. Turns out I owe Matt Moses an apology.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 5:49:26 AM   
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My underlying point is that Falvey and Levine suck.


Keep getting a free pass

Bad trades

So so on signings

Horrible on coaching

6/7 years? a couple of division titles Wheeeee

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 7:30:23 AM   
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 7:45:54 AM   
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My underlying point is that Falvey and Levine suck.


Keep getting a free pass

Bad trades

So so on signings

Horrible on coaching

6/7 years? a couple of division titles Wheeeee

Yes on all and I will keep emphasizing...in 6 years the draft has produced almost nothing. Weeee...7 years at the helm and the system has produced Bailey Ober.

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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 8:24:30 AM   
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Franchise is a complete mess, their drafting sucks and so does their decisions.

Meanwhile Luis Arraez is batting over .400 and likely has more hits than several everyday players for the Twins combined.
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RE: Twins 2023 Season and Game Day Thread - 6/8/2023 8:36:36 AM   
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Arraez has struck out just 11 times in 235 plate appearances. Arraez has 87 hits while Polanco and Julien have combined for 43. He's more than doubled our current second basemen.

And oh yea, ZERO errors in 237 chances.

How is Kevin Tapani looking these days? Or Steve Bedrosian? Or whatever the hell we are calling him.

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