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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:53:19 AM   
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This draft blows chunks everywhere you look on our roster.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:53:29 AM   
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So we traded our 119 for a 5th round pick next year? I am so sick of these trade downs at the time of the trade down, but sometimes I am happy with the haul LOL!


I doubt we made that trade.


We got 134 this year and a 5th round pick next year. I thought I got it edited, but I guess not.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:55:57 AM   
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So we traded our 119 for a 5th round pick next year? I am so sick of these trade downs at the time of the trade down, but sometimes I am happy with the haul LOL!


I doubt we made that trade.


We got 134 this year and a 5th round pick next year. I thought I got it edited, but I guess not.


Yep. We are about 12 picks away from another trade down!
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:56:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		A 5th rounder next year = about a 6th rounder this year, this doesn't sound like very good value.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:56:30 AM   
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Shelly is 5’8”. A great story last year but he looked good on our bottom defense which means he wasn’t a total sieve.

So if 5'10" is avg CB height how much can 5'8 hinder one if that guy has all-over-you coverage skills? What types of passes can beat that guy but not someone 5'10" - 6'2"? Seems silly to me for that to be such a big focus if you have a guy that has got everything needed for CB skills except 2" of height.

Phil has always dogged Shelley for his height. Not the guys he outplayed who were bigger and more highly touted.

Since he did outlplay / out-durable those other guys, the narrative has shifted to ... he wasn't that good, just not that bad on our bad defense. [which ofcourse doesn't apply to non-starter before injury Booth Cine]

By the way ... if we want to draft the reincarnation of 'he wasn't a total sieve' Shelley:

CB Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson, TCU

5*8 178 – 4.41 40yd 1.5 10yd 39" vert

One of the more explosive athletes in the draft.
Twitchy, agile and a voracious competitor in coverage.
Allowed 34.6 percent completion rate when targeted in 2022, per PFF.
(nfl.com)

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:57:28 AM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:57:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Vikings should have gotten at least a 3rd rounder next year in that trade.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:58:00 AM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 11:59:59 AM   
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There is a genius to this trade down strategy. If you don’t pick a player And keep trading down, you can’t be blamed when a sixth round pick does not pan out. Simple.


I think Kwesi is just phoning in random trade downs from his car.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:00:12 PM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:00:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps we'll use that 5th rounder next year to trade. I actually expect that we will trade that pick. A 5th round pick, if it is actually the KC 5th round pick is basically a 6th round pick because of how late in the round it will be.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:01:07 PM   
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There is a genius to this trade down strategy. If you don’t pick a player And keep trading down, you can’t be blamed when a sixth round pick does not pan out. Simple.


I think Kwesi is just phoning in random trade downs from his car.


Ha! Probably right.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:01:20 PM   
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The Vikings should have gotten at least a 3rd rounder next year in that trade.

If it was a 1 for 1 swap then sure. The Vikings also got a 4th this year.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:02:20 PM   
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This draft is absolutely the most boring ever.



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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:02:47 PM   
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This draft is absolutely the most boring ever.


I guess their player groupings are comprised of 15-20 players all equally rated.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:03:26 PM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:04:44 PM   
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The Vikings should have gotten at least a 3rd rounder next year in that trade.

If it was a 1 for 1 swap then sure. The Vikings also got a 4th this year.

Good job edumacating Marty.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:07:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		So... #87 nets #102, #134, a late 2024 pick. Seems to be a wash except for the factor of having to wait a year.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:09:01 PM   
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This draft is absolutely the most boring ever.


I guess their player groupings are comprised of 15-20 players all equally rated.


And every target position has another tier that's still full.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:09:08 PM   
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There is a genius to this trade down strategy. If you don’t pick a player And keep trading down, you can’t be blamed when a sixth round pick does not pan out. Simple.


I think Kwesi is just phoning in random trade downs from his car.

Somebody needs to call Kwesi with an Ian Malcom Jurassic Park voice and complain, 'This is a draft right, you are going to pick prospects during the draft right?"
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:10:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		But it seems like if KC was moving up in the 4th, they would need to throw in a 5th or 6th from this year, or a 4th or 5th next year.

Since KC tends to pick towards the bottom, the Vikings should have at least gotten a 4th next year, or even a 3rd if it were a large move up.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:11:42 PM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:14:26 PM  1 votes
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Dummies here don't realize that no CB's were taken from 87 to 102. Complain about the pick if you want, but the trade got us two more picks in the draft so stop with the hyperbole.

I made that exact point.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:17:32 PM   
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Dummies here don't realize that no CB's were taken from 87 to 102. Complain about the pick if you want, but the trade got us two more picks in the draft so stop with the hyperbole.

I made that exact point.

If CB was the only defensive need that might be significant. Were no other defensive players taken during that stretch at all?

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 4/29/2023 12:19:10 PM   
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