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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/6/2023 3:11:43 PM   
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Take a physical freak example. Lamar Jackson’s rookie year he was at 58%. Following was 66. It can be taught with a good coach.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/6/2023 3:12:11 PM   
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/7/2023 12:05:55 PM   
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Dane Brugler’s NFL mock draft, 3.0:

23. Minnesota Vikings: Deonte Banks, CB, Maryland

The 6-0, 197-pound Banks clocked a 4.35 in the 40-yard dash. He also posted elite results in his 10-yard split (1.49), vertical (42 inches) and broad jump (11-4). He is a physical, cover-and-clobber corner who is ready to step in and see starter-level snaps — exactly what Minnesota needs.

(He has Carolina trading up to #4 for Richardson)

https://theathletic.com/4281118/2023/03/07/nfl-mock-draft-cj-stroud-dane-brugler-combine/
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/7/2023 12:09:22 PM   
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The show stopper in my mind was Florida QB Anthony Richardson. I had him No. 50 on my list last summer. That’s pretty high for a QB. My UF sources described him as “a chiseled 6-4, 238 pounds with just 10 percent body fat,” who could run a 4.4 40 and can throw a football 75 yards.

“Anthony is physically built like an outside linebacker — tall, long, and chiseled out of stone,” Florida strength coach Mark Hocke told me. “Has the athleticism (speed and agility) and bounce (plays above the rim) of a running back/wide receiver combined with a Jugs machine for an arm.”

Richardson didn’t just back up that hype, he far exceeded it. He measured in at 244 pounds and clocked a 4.43 40. His vertical was 40.5 inches, and his broad jump was 10-9. That is wow stuff, especially paired with his juiced-up arm. It is spectacular seeing him launch balls through the air like Shohei Ohtani majestically uncorking on home runs deep into the sky.

Having said that, it is unfair to compare Richardson to Cam Newton, the last really super-sized Freak QB with a small on-field sample size of playing quarterback in major college football. Newton put an Auburn team with a very ordinary supporting cast on his back and carried it to a national title. Richardson had some wow moments, such as in the 2022 opener against Utah, but he was very inconsistent.

The NFL coaches I spoke to in Indy are intrigued by his potential but think he’s extremely raw. Could he be utilized similarly to how Brian Daboll brought along Josh Allen and then how he deployed Daniel Jones this season with the Giants, which entails letting him be an athlete, moving the pocket, using more QB run game, cutting the field in half, using more play-action and more RPOs and limiting the true drop-back game? That seems like the recipe for Richardson and Kentucky’s Will Levis.

Indianapolis, at No. 4, might be a good fit for Richardson and Levis because new coach Shane Steichen did some of that in Philadelphia with Jalen Hurts as well as with the Chargers and Justin Herbert during Herbert’s rookie season in 2020. Las Vegas with Josh McDaniels probably wouldn’t be ideal.

“I knew that was what Anthony was gonna look like throwing the ball,” one NFL QB coach told The Athletic on Monday. And the reason why I’m so high on him is you can see him throw with touch on film; you can see him take a good drop and be accurate, throwing the right type of ball. He just needs to play quarterback more.”

The coach said Florida’s Billy Napier told him Richardson is the best athlete he’s ever been around, which carried a lot of weight with him considering that the Gators head man has been at both Alabama and Clemson previously.

Richardson’s physical presence wowed NFL coaches when they first eyeballed him in person. “When he weighed in, and they called out ‘244,’ a bunch of people were like, ‘Holy crap!’” the QB coach said. “It’s just he looked like he weighed 220, the way he was built and carrying it. But he’s just so BIG. His bone structure; thick wrists; a big head. He’s just a big dude. And he throws it as good as any one. On those 10-yard outs, you don’t see him loading up the back leg and really driving off like some guys do, he’s so under control.

“I think he’s unique. Cam’s taller and not nearly as fast, and Anthony throws it better than Cam. Josh Allen at Wyoming was the biggest guy on the field. He was crazy inaccurate, but he had played a lot. I think there’s pieces of Cam and Josh Allen and Lamar (Jackson) and Daunte Culpepper in there. I had him first on my quarterbacks in this class. He’s an outlier to me. I’m not a fan of projects, but he is so otherworldly talented, and I’ve seen him on film doing it right. You saw it in the Utah game. He is gifted enough as a runner and so big and strong enough physically to buy enough time to mentally catch up as a passer and turn the corner. That’s what Jalen Hurts did this year.”

https://theathletic.com/4281870/2023/03/07/nfl-combine-takeaways-jaxon-smith-njigba-cj-stroud/
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/7/2023 1:35:45 PM   
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Biggest knock on Richardson is he isn’t accurate.

That’s a pretty scary negative when it comes to playing the position in NFL.

I will say if they “go get him” at least the new regime is trying.


This is what makes me less worried about that. He's inexperienced and probably still needs a ton of coaching. Mechanics can be improved through work and repetition if the inherent ability is there:

As a passer, Richardson’s arm strength and ability to push the ball down the field with ease are immediately evident. With simply a flick of the wrist, Richardson can push the ball 50-plus yards down the field effortlessly. Richardson also has the ability to put velocity on his passes to fit the ball in tight, condensed spaces between defenders. Richardson’s arm strength allows him to have access to the entire field and there is simply not a throw that Richardson can not make from an arm strength perspective. On occasion, Richardson has also shown that he can change tempo and trajectories on the football, dropping the ball over the shoulder of a receiver or placing the ball in between two defenders in zone. Reading coverages and working through progressions, Richardson shows that he can read defenses high to low and is disciplined enough to take the check-down throw underneath when necessary.

Richardson’s improvements are centered around his accuracy. While Richardson has a strong arm, ball placement and location are a couple key elements that Richardson appears to be inconsistent with. It appears Richardson’s accuracy comes from his mechanics. When he can operate correctly mechanically, everything looks good. When he doesn’t quite execute proper mechanics, it leads to missed throws, incompletions, tipped throws, or interceptions.


https://thedraftnetwork.com/sr-prospect/anthony-richardson-5e150861-e6cb-465a-8d18-fe90a34daa2b/


Doesn't sound like most QB's get more accurate once they get to NFL, Josh Allen seems to be the exception and he is sort of regressing.

I have no idea, just what I heard from "NFL experts on sports radio".

If you can't complete a higher percentage of passes that what he has in the mostly very average ACC I think there is big reason for concern. Then again, nobody is perfect and if he flames out you will know it early and not have invested a lot of cash in him.


]Doesn't sound like most QB's get more accurate once they get to NFL, Josh Allen seems to be the exception and he is sort of regressing.

That's such a dangerously misinformed statement. For one, we're not talking about the jump from college to the NFL. Second, there's a LOT of big name QBs that had to develop their accuracy.

Joe Burrow 1st season as a starter: 57.8% 16TDs 5INTs. 2nd season: 76.35% 60TDs 6 INTs

Kirk Cousins 1st season as a starter: 60.4% 19TDs 9INTs. 2nd season 66.9% 20TDs 10 INTs

Aaron Rodgers 1st season: 61.6% 19TDs 5 INTs. 2nd season: 66.1% 24TDs 8 INTs

Matthew Stafford went 52.7%, 55.7%, and then 61.4% throwing 7, 19, and then 25TDs in college

Mohomes started 7 games as a freshman with 56.8% completion 16TDs and 4 INTs. In his third year he was 65.7% with 41TDs and 10 INTs

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/10/2023 3:02:28 PM   
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Richardson is a monster, I would trade up for him if he lasted to the 10-15 range, no question.

He is better than Cam on so many levels, not the least of which is that he is not an immature a-hole.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/10/2023 3:30:22 PM   
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Richardson is a monster, I would trade up for him if he lasted to the 10-15 range, no question.

He is better than Cam on so many levels, not the least of which is that he is not an immature a-hole.


I have issues with his Comp %...

Stroud/snag Hooker from Tenn U (or make the Kirk for Trey Lance move but you may lose JJ).

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/10/2023 3:41:03 PM   
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Richardson is a monster, I would trade up for him if he lasted to the 10-15 range, no question.

He is better than Cam on so many levels, not the least of which is that he is not an immature a-hole.


In a heartbeat.

But I doubt he makes it out of the Top 5.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/21/2023 6:21:20 PM   
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-bucs-colts-panthers-texans-vikings-pick-

i love this, actually...been feeling Hooker might be as good as any of these qb's this year...

would be a fascinating pick
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/21/2023 6:36:45 PM   
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-bucs-colts-panthers-texans-vikings-pick-

i love this, actually...been feeling Hooker might be as good as any of these qb's this year...

would be a fascinating pick

Picking him 23rd would be a massive reach.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/21/2023 6:46:10 PM   
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-bucs-colts-panthers-texans-vikings-pick-

i love this, actually...been feeling Hooker might be as good as any of these qb's this year...

would be a fascinating pick

Picking him 23rd would be a massive reach.


Maybe?

I'm seeing more and more stuff about him possibly being an early R2 pick. If that's the case, 23rd doesn't seem unreasonable if he's our guy.

2 weeks ago Richardson was seen by many as a late 1st rounder, now its unlikely he gets out of the Top 5.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/21/2023 7:01:41 PM   
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Talked to a handful of teams about TENN QB Hendon Hooker this morning. He's acing interviews and board work.

With 4 QBs expected in top 10, I don't think Hooker waits long into Round 2 if he makes it that far. He had a Round 1 grade on my board pre-ACL injury
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/21/2023 7:40:12 PM   
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SKOR North's Thor Nystrom doesn't think very highly of him. Late 3rd is where he ranks him. No ability to read the field.

Start at 35:50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdbnhtEX9aQ

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/21/2023 8:02:12 PM   
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And that's a totally valid opinion.

I'm just saying if we identify him as our guy, 23 isn't unreasonable.

Maybe you trade down a few spots if you're confident you can still get him.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/22/2023 10:37:41 AM   
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https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-bucs-colts-panthers-texans-vikings-pick-

i love this, actually...been feeling Hooker might be as good as any of these qb's this year...

would be a fascinating pick

Picking him 23rd would be a massive reach.


It's entirely conceivable QB-needy teams would select him in the second round. So picking him at #23 isn't as big of a reach as it may seem.

Part of what may influence opinions of that being a reach is that we have so many other needs - most all defense - and do not have a 2nd rounder, but those are separate issues.

Not advocating to select him, but any QB over the next two years won't be perfect. Also, there is the age old question about whether it's better to throw a rookie into the fire or let him watch for a year.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/26/2023 10:53:46 AM   
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2023 NFL Draft
Round 1: 1 pick (own)
Round 3: 1 pick (own)
Round 4: 1 pick (Lions)
Round 5: 1 pick (own)

2024 NFL Draft
Round 1: 1 pick (own)
Round 2: 1 pick (own)
Round 4: 1 pick (Lions)
Round 5: 1 pick (Eagles)
Round 6: 1 pick (own)

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Not good Kwesi D.
Gonna be hard to get it good in a trade down with teams knowing we need to move down...and KOM being seen as a potential mark.

Nor would it seem at all likely we target a QB aggressively. Hard to attack any position. We'll trade down for scraps and try and squeeze value on who drops BC of injury or character concerns.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/26/2023 11:05:16 AM   
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We need a top of the line escort but KOM is gonna keep walking down the line until he can get value from the aged double amputee Hooker.

That or stay in the sexless marriage with Kirk.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 7:39:41 AM  1 votes
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2023 NFL Draft
Round 1: 1 pick (own)
Round 3: 1 pick (own)
Round 4: 1 pick (Lions)
Round 5: 1 pick (own)

2024 NFL Draft
Round 1: 1 pick (own)
Round 2: 1 pick (own)
Round 4: 1 pick (Lions)
Round 5: 1 pick (Eagles)
Round 6: 1 pick (own)

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Not good Kwesi D.
Gonna be hard to get it good in a trade down with teams knowing we need to move down...and KOM being seen as a potential mark.

Nor would it seem at all likely we target a QB aggressively. Hard to attack any position. We'll trade down for scraps and try and squeeze value on who drops BC of injury or character concerns.


I see Dalvin, Hunter or Zed being trading...still the pickings will be slim.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 9:07:49 AM   
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Of those 3, I think only Cook will be traded this off-season, and they might even keep all 3.

I would consider trading Hunter, if you could get a least a 2nd for him, ideally a 1st next year for him. Then package that 1st and the Vikings 1st to move up to get Caleb Williams, if that is at all possible.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 9:53:45 AM   
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Of those 3, I think only Cook will be traded this off-season, and they might even keep all 3.

I would consider trading Hunter, if you could get a least a 2nd for him, ideally a 1st next year for him. Then package that 1st and the Vikings 1st to move up to get Caleb Williams, if that is at all possible.


Signing Davenport and Mattison....odds are you are wrong.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 9:59:12 AM   
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Of those 3, I think only Cook will be traded this off-season, and they might even keep all 3.

I would consider trading Hunter, if you could get a least a 2nd for him, ideally a 1st next year for him. Then package that 1st and the Vikings 1st to move up to get Caleb Williams, if that is at all possible.


According to the twitter account skolbros, a historically accurate and seemingly-has-inside-info account, Cook was traded over a week ago and the announcement is being held up until he can pass the physical. They say he can't pass it yet because of his shoulder surgery. That's not to say anything went wrong with the surgery, just a natural recovery process he needs to go through.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 1:47:05 PM   
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Of those 3, I think only Cook will be traded this off-season, and they might even keep all 3.

I would consider trading Hunter, if you could get a least a 2nd for him, ideally a 1st next year for him. Then package that 1st and the Vikings 1st to move up to get Caleb Williams, if that is at all possible.

If Caleb Williams is supposed to be the next Mahomes, no one is trading out of number 1 slot. We would have to win 2 or 3 games this year to get him.

Cheapest move: Trade for Lance. Very small base salaries and it shouldn't cost more than 3rd rounder.

Next cheapest move: Draft Hooker at #23

Bold move: Trade #23, next years #1 and more to move up and get Richardson or Levis.
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 2:40:01 PM   
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I think you can trade down and get Hooker. 23 is a reach IMO
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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 4:04:01 PM  1 votes
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I think you can trade down and get Hooker. 23 is a reach IMO


Don't grab a QB just because; grab the best player available. Needing upgrades....WR, LB, DT, OG, CB, QB, S.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 3/28/2023 4:23:19 PM  1 votes
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I think you can trade down and get Hooker. 23 is a reach IMO


Why?

Because bloggers like you and I slotted him in the 3rd?

Here's a former GM (former means he isn't a GM lol) projecting him to go #5 overall: https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2023/story/_/id/35931704/2023-nfl-mock-draft-mike-tannenbaum-gm-first-round-picks-five-quarterbacks

With one year to go on Cousin's train robbery, QB is basically a top need. CB is a top need, and is also up there on premium positions. I'm good with QB or CB at #23.
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