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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 4:31:00 PM

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KG is full of it. Some times guys had an angle after he was bouncing off of guys. Some times he ran clear. A few he was caught by a speedy DB.

Is he going to run by everyone? No. Is he going to blurp out a bunch of shitty 0 to 1 yard runs? Also no.

I said nothing negative about him. I just stated fact. He was caught from behind several times. If Robert Smith had of had those same leads he would have been caught zero times. Adequate speed yes. What I call breakaway speed no.

What is his yards per carry?

7.3 I think. He doesn't have breakaway speed. Not even close.

MN Gopher Mo averaged 5.4 yards a carry as a reference. Ty Chandler 5.6.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 4:32:18 PM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 4:35:57 PM

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KG is full of it. Some times guys had an angle after he was bouncing off of guys. Some times he ran clear. A few he was caught by a speedy DB.

Is he going to run by everyone? No. Is he going to blurp out a bunch of shitty 0 to 1 yard runs? Also no.

I said nothing negative about him. I just stated fact. He was caught from behind several times. If Robert Smith had of had those same leads he would have been caught zero times. Adequate speed yes. What I call breakaway speed no.

What is his yards per carry?

7.3 I think. He doesn't have breakaway speed. Not even close.

MN Gopher Mo averaged 5.4 yards a carry as a reference. Ty Chandler 5.6.

The yards per carry is great. But if he had breakaway speed he wouldn't be getting caught from behind. I don't think Mo or Chandler have breakaway speed either.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 4:36:33 PM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 5:01:49 PM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

For a guy that housed so many TDs he only had 32 TDs over 8 years (92 games, 1411 carries).....Dalvin has 47 TDs in 6 years with a worse Oline (73 games, 1282 carries).

Robert Smith had 18 TDs in 2 years of college; McBride 36 in 3; 32 TDs the last 2 years.

Breakaway speed doesn't equal TDS; we could look at Michael Bennett speed also...

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 6:08:17 PM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

For a guy that housed so many TDs he only had 32 TDs over 8 years (92 games, 1411 carries).....Dalvin has 47 TDs in 6 years with a worse Oline (73 games, 1282 carries).

Robert Smith had 18 TDs in 2 years of college; McBride 36 in 3; 32 TDs the last 2 years.

Breakaway speed doesn't equal TDS; we could look at Michael Bennett speed also...

Comparing apples to oranges. If McBride ends up half as good as Robert Smith I will be thrilled. Dalvin also had breakaway speed. I remember many of his runs being among the fastest in the league.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 7:33:32 PM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

He was only tackled 7 times in that video total and only a few were him being caught from behind.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 8:44:23 PM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

He was only tackled 7 times in that video total and only a few were him being caught from behind.

I saw 1 from behind but hed just made a move so it wasn't like a true foot race. The other two, if you think they were from behind, I'd counter with, the defenders had angles, again, not a true foot race

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 8:47:08 PM

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I can't believe we got him where we did

If this regime has shown one thing it's that it can fill the RB group with later picks.

Which baffles me then why they are thusfar keeping the vastly overpriced Dalvin Cook.

A lot of rb's on the roster esp considering KOC never uses them.

Matty's touches were down from last year and I don't believe Chandler or Kene even garnered an offensive snap.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/9/2023 9:35:20 PM 1 votes

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

He was only tackled 7 times in that video total and only a few were him being caught from behind.

I saw 1 from behind but hed just made a move so it wasn't like a true foot race. The other two, if you think they were from behind, I'd counter with, the defenders had angles, again, not a true foot race

You're seeing it right

KG is so far out in left field he's in the parking lot.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 5:20:19 AM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

He was only tackled 7 times in that video total and only a few were him being caught from behind.

On rewatching it wasn't as many times as I thought. 2:08, 2:38 and 3:03 were the only times he was caught from behind. My apologies. It seemed like more on my initial watch. He does not have breakaway speed. An RB with breakaway speed would not have been caught on those runs.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 5:47:29 AM

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I thought I had read somewhere that the Vikings were trying to trade up for Richardson, maybe that was just a rumor.

This article says the Vikings were only trying to move up for ONE QB, and that QB was Bryce Young:

https://share.newsbreak.com/3svwh7jh

I am glad they weren't able to make that trade, I would be concerned that he lacked size. The good part is they showed a willingness to move up to one of the top spots, so maybe they'll attempt to move up to get Caleb Williams next year, if there is any chance of his being available.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 6:19:07 AM

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I thought I had read somewhere that the Vikings were trying to trade up for Richardson, maybe that was just a rumor.

This article says the Vikings were only trying to move up for ONE QB, and that QB was Bryce Young:

https://share.newsbreak.com/3svwh7jh

I am glad they weren't able to make that trade, I would be concerned that he lacked size. The good part is they showed a willingness to move up to one of the top spots, so maybe they'll attempt to move up to get Caleb Williams next year, if there is any chance of his being available.

There was "stuff" on Twitter yesterday where they were prepared to attempt a trade up if Young didn't get picked 1

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 6:32:52 AM

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I'm glad they appear to have wanted to make a go for my #1 guy. I would have done it for Richardson too mind you.

It'll be fun watching them grow up in the league with all the if onlys.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 7:06:15 AM

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If all is true i like that KOC knew what he wanted and wasnt going to reach for someone he didn't feel fit what he's thinks are certain abilities to be great.
Now we get to see if he was right

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 7:19:31 AM

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I can't believe we got him where we did

If this regime has shown one thing it's that it can fill the RB group with later picks.

Which baffles me then why they are thusfar keeping the vastly overpriced Dalvin Cook.

A lot of rb's on the roster esp considering KOC never uses them.

Matty's touches were down from last year and I don't believe Chandler or Kene even garnered an offensive snap.

I think Ty and Kene were hurt. I was surprised Chandler didn't get more carries.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/10/2023 4:53:57 PM

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I like the thought of Mattison and some fresh legs getting the carries. The only thing that concerns me is that McGuire seems to run with the ball really loose in his hands. If he can get that dialed in, he’ll be okay.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/11/2023 11:00:35 AM

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I can't believe we got him where we did

If this regime has shown one thing it's that it can fill the RB group with later picks.

Which baffles me then why they are thusfar keeping the vastly overpriced Dalvin Cook.

A lot of rb's on the roster esp considering KOC never uses them.

Matty's touches were down from last year and I don't believe Chandler or Kene even garnered an offensive snap.

I think Ty and Kene were hurt. I was surprised Chandler didn't get more carries.

Chandler was hurt (arm injury IIRC) for a good portion of the year. That may explain some of it.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/11/2023 11:04:32 AM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

He was only tackled 7 times in that video total and only a few were him being caught from behind.

On rewatching it wasn't as many times as I thought. 2:08, 2:38 and 3:03 were the only times he was caught from behind. My apologies. It seemed like more on my initial watch. He does not have breakaway speed. An RB with breakaway speed would not have been caught on those runs.

He seems to run very well in traffic though.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/20/2023 9:00:46 AM

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I didn't see it. Can you tell me how far down field he was when he was being caught from behind?

I'd say 10 times or more he was caught from behind in that highlight video.

Closer to 2 or 3.

Just BC it wasn't a TD doesn't mean he was caught from behind.

Way more. A player with breakaway speed would have housed at least 6 runs and maybe 10 that McBride didn't. However, McBride did good creating those opportunities for himself. Take a look at the runs where he got tackled from behind and think about how many of those Robert Smith would not have been caught from behind.

He was only tackled 7 times in that video total and only a few were him being caught from behind.

On rewatching it wasn't as many times as I thought. 2:08, 2:38 and 3:03 were the only times he was caught from behind. My apologies. It seemed like more on my initial watch. He does not have breakaway speed. An RB with breakaway speed would not have been caught on those runs.

He seems to run very well in traffic though.

I never had anything against him. I think he makes the team and considering the backs we have that is saying something.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/20/2023 7:22:29 PM

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Fun, behind the scenes, Vikings draft video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYptU4uVyM4

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/29/2023 6:06:51 PM

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Cool video jbusse, thank you.

Kwesi at 11:50 sounded like Spielman, and even sounded a little bit the Spielman would say it.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 5/29/2023 6:14:32 PM

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I think the race for next year's #1 pick will be an interesting race to watch at the end of the season (one of the more interesting ones, as I assume it will be for Caleb).

I think with Arizona also having the Texans' pick, gives them about an 80% chance of getting the #1 pick.

I think the Bears got about a 10% chance, higher if Fields gets hurt. I think the Raiders have about a 5% chance, with a Garapollo injury. All the other teams combined for the other 5%.

Is this about how you see the odds for that #1 pick ?

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 6/2/2023 9:39:10 AM

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AZ looks to be the worst team in football. Assuming they have the #1 overall they select Williams being they haven't been real happy with Kyler Murray since inking him to that contract. They will have to eat a large dead cap hit.

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RE: 2023 NFL Draft - 6/2/2023 11:13:55 AM

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AZ looks to be the worst team in football. Assuming they have the #1 overall they select Williams being they haven't been real happy with Kyler Murray since inking him to that contract. They will have to eat a large dead cap hit.

I think AZ is better w/o Hopkins and Murray to start the season. Hopkins is always hurt and on wrong side of 30.

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