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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

He tries to win, KFC does not..

Case closed.

Tries to win? What does that mean? I live in Illinois near Chicago so I"m force fed Bear news and every single game is on TV. Fields is a very, very inaccurate passer and doesn't see the field well at all. His only skill is running. Cousins has his faults, that's obvious, but there is no way that any objective football observer would take Fields over Cousins at this point in time. If Fields "tries" to win, then why have the Bears lost 13 straight games?

He is in his second season…

JFC..KFC is in his 12th

KFC has multiple talented receivers, everywhere, including out of the backfield..

Chicago got waffle stomped by Kanas city, I didn’t watch the game, I had plumbing to look at for my SIL.

when I got back home, Kc was up 41-0, K C backupQB, running backs, and skill players were still gashing Chicago for yards.

Chicago got 2 turnover, by their defense.. scored on both of them..

How did Cousins do when handed a take-away or TOOD in scoring position…?


He ****ing choked..

I await your but, but..,but..
Rebuttal claiming that Fields, as a second year player, has piss poor mechanics and patience in the passing game.

What the hell ever…

His mobility is a PLUS.

Our STATUTE QB, has no pocket awareness, and stands there eating hits and fumbling, like the moron he is…

Prosecution rests.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young



Bench Cousins.. what’s the worst that can happen? Mullins plays?

This season is shot barring a multiple plane crash involving our next 7 opponents..

JMO.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

There needs to be wins, or this season is over.

Ah, the old mathematical chance.

In the Super Bowl era, only 2.4% of 0-3 teams have overcome such a start to make the postseason. Yes, that statistic spans 14-game, 16-game and 17-game seasons. But it hasn't happened since the NFL expanded the regular season to 17 games. The last 0-3 team to make the playoffs was the 2018 Houston Texans.

OK. the line that says it hasn't happened since the NFL expanded the regular season.

How many seasons have had 17 games so far?

That being said...anything can happen but it's not likely. We can't even win winnable games. There is no sign in our play we can turn this thing around. and it's not like we don't still have a lot of tough games ahead.

We will need a lot of things to change rather rapidly or we will go nowhere but to the top of the draft which is probably the best scenario at this point.


It's not like we've played really well. We've been good enough to be in the games but there are a lot of warts here. I just don't see a team with these warts suddenly becoming really good. It's not just overcoming 0-3 and a few bad breaks. It's overcoming our own glaring easily exploitable shortcomings as well. I just don't see it. I don't believe in tanking, but continuing to lose would be better. We dont' stand a chance against the better teams in this league right now.

Why even ask how many 17 game seasons there have been since ZERO 0-3 teams have made the playoffs during that time.

It doesn't even matter Bill.

It's just stupid to point out that no team has done it in the two years we've had 17 games. So what? I would think that one extra game would increase the odds of recoving from an 0-3 start...but...

What matters is we don't have the personnel, coaching, and chutzpah to pull it off anyway.

Our 12 year veteran QB apparently needs to be told to clock the ball (this isn't new either. IIRC it happened with Zimmer here too) Our Defense can't generate Pressure on the QB. Our Oline can't protect. more than half of Kwesi's draft picks can't play themselves onto the field. This team is not poised to buck the odds at all. Right now the odds in a 17 game season is 0%. It would take a far more talented and better prepared roster to do this. With our remaining schedule and lackluster play/gameplanning/two minute drill calamity, there is no way this team can overcome it.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

KOC blaming the crowd is about as dumb as it gets. Does anyone really buy that?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

Nice.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. Plus some QBs actually handle pressure better. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

I find that when I go back the following day and can replay each play multiple times I realize that my emotions during my first viewing can skew my reality on what really happened.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

... you have to make the QB feel you ....

And there is nothing wrong with that...

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. Plus some QBs actually handle pressure better. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

WTF? Of course 3 seconds is technically arbitrary. 4.5 speed for a WR is arbitrary. A DEs wingspan is arbitrary. A sold out crowd is arbitrary. But they are good barometers, based on averages.

And you were the guy who basically said last week that a QB should expect to have 4-5 seconds.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. Plus some QBs actually handle pressure better. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Was listening to Kfan vent line last night, and an interesting topic came up.

Not the Jets (who's pick is frozen), but New Orleans. If Carr is out for the year, that is a really interesting spot. They have a 1st round pick.
If we have a top 10 pick, for QB and then use the Saints pick for the biggest nastiest DT you can find?

Kirk would get to go to another dome, New Orleans has a very good defense, and could very well compete this year.

I know Kirk has a not trade clause, but would he waive it with a very legitimate chance to win the division?
I agree with Judd though. Kirk is so insecure, he would demand a 3 year deal.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Was listening to Kfan vent line last night, and an interesting topic came up.

Not the Jets (who's pick is frozen), but New Orleans. If Carr is out for the year, that is a really interesting spot. They have a 1st round pick.
If we have a top 10 pick, for QB and then use the Saints pick for the biggest nastiest DT you can find?

Kirk would get to go to another dome, New Orleans has a very good defense, and could very well compete this year.

I know Kirk has a not trade clause, but would he waive it with a very legitimate chance to win the division?
I agree with Judd though. Kirk is so insecure, he would demand a 3 year deal.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. Plus some QBs actually handle pressure better. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

3 seconds is pretty much the agreed upon time that the ball should be gone by. Anything more than 3 seconds and you generally have a QB running for his life or scrambling like hell to make a throw. The guys who routinely finish above 3 are the runners. Fields, Watson, Wilson, etc.

There are only 5 QBs that are averaging over 3 seconds - with Zach Wilson being a distant last at 3.2. That tracks with most years. The top guys will usually be in the 2.4-2.5 range.

Cousins is getting rid of the ball in 2.89 seconds on average - which puts him just outside the bottom 3rd. And in line with pretty much all of his career.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Was listening to Kfan vent line last night, and an interesting topic came up.

Not the Jets (who's pick is frozen), but New Orleans. If Carr is out for the year, that is a really interesting spot. They have a 1st round pick.
If we have a top 10 pick, for QB and then use the Saints pick for the biggest nastiest DT you can find?

Kirk would get to go to another dome, New Orleans has a very good defense, and could very well compete this year.

I know Kirk has a not trade clause, but would he waive it with a very legitimate chance to win the division?
I agree with Judd though. Kirk is so insecure, he would demand a 3 year deal.

I'd probably rather draft a C or G to protect my new QB.

I feel like DTs are easier to get in FA than good O-Linemen.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

The Vikings have an excellent offensive line and I'm standing by that. You can quote me.