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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. Plus some QBs actually handle pressure better. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

3 seconds is pretty much the agreed upon time that the ball should be gone by. Anything more than 3 seconds and you generally have a QB running for his life or scrambling like hell to make a throw. The guys who routinely finish above 3 are the runners. Fields, Watson, Wilson, etc.

There are only 5 QBs that are averaging over 3 seconds - with Zach Wilson being a distant last at 3.2. That tracks with most years. The top guys will usually be in the 2.4-2.5 range.

Cousins is getting rid of the ball in 2.89 seconds on average - which puts him just outside the bottom 3rd. And in line with pretty much all of his career.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

3 seconds seems sort of arbitrary to me. but it is a nice analysis.

For some QBs 3 seconds is all they need. for many, they need more. So it depends more on the QB. For a Justin Herbert 3 seconds is more than enough time. For a Kirk Cousins it probably isn't. Plus some QBs actually handle pressure better. But i do appreciate the effort you made to analyze this. and stand corrected.

It just seems like our Oline is completely ineffective at providing a clean pocket. or at protecting the QB in general. He gets hit a lot even as he makes a successful throw. and Cousins does hold the ball too long frequently.

It just looks like the pocket collapses almost instantaneously every snap and even if no hit is made that adds pressure to the QB.

Again. I applaud your analysis and stand corrected.

Well done on that.

I just think there is far more to it than your analysis provides.

3 seconds is pretty much the agreed upon time that the ball should be gone by. Anything more than 3 seconds and you generally have a QB running for his life or scrambling like hell to make a throw. The guys who routinely finish above 3 are the runners. Fields, Watson, Wilson, etc.

There are only 5 QBs that are averaging over 3 seconds - with Zach Wilson being a distant last at 3.2. That tracks with most years. The top guys will usually be in the 2.4-2.5 range.

Cousins is getting rid of the ball in 2.89 seconds on average - which puts him just outside the bottom 3rd. And in line with pretty much all of his career.

Awesome research that should end that debate after the second consecutive week.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

The Vikings have an excellent offensive line and I'm standing by that. You can quote me.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

It's good analysis except we don't know if anybody is open after just 3 seconds. Or 4 seconds. Best coach on the field yesterday was Chargers OC. Quick hitters against back 7 that only had 5 back there because of all the blitzes.

I've been on board with getting a mobile QB for 2 years now. But, our OLine is not excellent and finally had a decent game against the 32nd rated defense.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

It's good analysis except we don't know if anybody is open after just 3 seconds. Or 4 seconds. Best coach on the field yesterday was Chargers OC. Quick hitters against back 7 that only had 5 back there because of all the blitzes.

I've been on board with getting a mobile QB for 2 years now. But, our OLine is not excellent and finally had a decent game against the 32nd rated defense.

If, after everything we've invested into our pass catchers, no one is open... check that... CONSISTENTLY no one is open then disband the franchise. We have Justin Jefferson, TJ Hockenson, and Jordan Addison for crying out loud.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Today I've learned that we should have Justin Fields on our team behind our excellent OLine. It's bizzaro world.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Today I've learned that we should have Justin Fields on our team behind our excellent OLine. It's bizzaro world.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

It's good analysis except we don't know if anybody is open after just 3 seconds. Or 4 seconds. Best coach on the field yesterday was Chargers OC. Quick hitters against back 7 that only had 5 back there because of all the blitzes.

I've been on board with getting a mobile QB for 2 years now. But, our OLine is not excellent and finally had a decent game against the 32nd rated defense.

If, after everything we've invested into our pass catchers, no one is open... check that... CONSISTENTLY no one is open then disband the franchise. We have Justin Jefferson, TJ Hockenson, and Jordan Addison for crying out loud.

Obviously Cousins is not going to see some guys when they are open. And that is on him.

But, your analysis leads us to believe that we have open guys every play, beating double teams, waving their arms while Kirk panics into a sack.

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ORIGINAL: David F.


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@vikesinsider
Week 3 #Vikings PFF grades, ranked:

1.) Jordan Hicks (89.2)
2.) Josh Oliver (86.5)
3.) Danielle Hunter (85.2)
4.) Justin Jefferson (84.5)
5.) Ed Ingram (81.5)
6.) Ezra Cleveland (79.9)
7.) Josh Metellus (76.2)
8.) Harrison Smith (73.9)
9.) Ivan Pace Jr. (72.2)
10.) Kirk Cousins (71.5)
11.) Akayleb Evans (71.0)
12.) Cam Bynum (70.3)
13.) Austin Schlottmann (69.7)
14.) Ty Chandler (68.5)
15.) Jonathan Bullard (68.4)
16.) Jaquelin Roy (66.6)
17.) Alexander Mattison (66.6)
18.) Johnny Mundt (65.5)
19.) Brian O'Neill (61.6)
20.) Jordan Addison (61.2)
21.) Christian Darrisaw (61.1)
22.) Trishton Jackson (60.0)
23.) KJ Osborn (58.8)
24.) Brandon Powell (58.6)
25.) Harrison Phillips (57.8)
26.) CJ Ham (57.4)
27.) Andre Carter (54.6)
28.) TJ Hockenson (54.5)
29.) Mekhi Blackmon (53.4)
30.) Pat Jones II (50.4)
31.) DJ Wonnum (49.7)
32.) Dean Lowry (47.6)
33.) Theo Jackson (41.7)
34.) Byron Murphy Jr. (41.1)
11:53 AM · Sep 25, 2023
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ORIGINAL: David F.


vikesinsider
@vikesinsider
Week 3 #Vikings PFF grades, ranked:

1.) Jordan Hicks (89.2)
2.) Josh Oliver (86.5)
3.) Danielle Hunter (85.2)
4.) Justin Jefferson (84.5)
5.) Ed Ingram (81.5)
6.) Ezra Cleveland (79.9)
7.) Josh Metellus (76.2)
8.) Harrison Smith (73.9)
9.) Ivan Pace Jr. (72.2)
10.) Kirk Cousins (71.5)
11.) Akayleb Evans (71.0)
12.) Cam Bynum (70.3)
13.) Austin Schlottmann (69.7)
14.) Ty Chandler (68.5)
15.) Jonathan Bullard (68.4)
16.) Jaquelin Roy (66.6)
17.) Alexander Mattison (66.6)
18.) Johnny Mundt (65.5)
19.) Brian O'Neill (61.6)
20.) Jordan Addison (61.2)
21.) Christian Darrisaw (61.1)
22.) Trishton Jackson (60.0)
23.) KJ Osborn (58.8)
24.) Brandon Powell (58.6)
25.) Harrison Phillips (57.8)
26.) CJ Ham (57.4)
27.) Andre Carter (54.6)
28.) TJ Hockenson (54.5)
29.) Mekhi Blackmon (53.4)
30.) Pat Jones II (50.4)
31.) DJ Wonnum (49.7)
32.) Dean Lowry (47.6)
33.) Theo Jackson (41.7)
34.) Byron Murphy Jr. (41.1)
11:53 AM · Sep 25, 2023
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

It's good analysis except we don't know if anybody is open after just 3 seconds. Or 4 seconds. Best coach on the field yesterday was Chargers OC. Quick hitters against back 7 that only had 5 back there because of all the blitzes.

I've been on board with getting a mobile QB for 2 years now. But, our OLine is not excellent and finally had a decent game against the 32nd rated defense.

If, after everything we've invested into our pass catchers, no one is open... check that... CONSISTENTLY no one is open then disband the franchise. We have Justin Jefferson, TJ Hockenson, and Jordan Addison for crying out loud.

Obviously Cousins is not going to see some guys when they are open. And that is on him.

But, your analysis leads us to believe that we have open guys every play, beating double teams, waving their arms while Kirk panics into a sack.

David's at-game reports tend to lend credence to that idea.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wish they'd go back to a 4-3.

Hunter - Phillips - Tonga - Davenport

Asamoah? - Hicks - Pace

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wish they'd go back to a 4-3.

Hunter - Phillips - Tonga - Davenport

Asamoah? - Hicks - Pace

What's up with Tonga? Was last year a fluke?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Wish they'd go back to a 4-3.

Hunter - Phillips - Tonga - Davenport

Asamoah? - Hicks - Pace

What's up with Tonga? Was last year a fluke?

Maybe throw Roy in there.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: David F.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzfLYsjgK7M

OK. Let's look at pressure on our QB objectively. That link is to the condensed game. It takes 47 minutes to watch. I just went through every offensive play and used a timer to gauge if we allowed a pressure on a play. I used three seconds. If the ball is out or no defender is about to make contact at three seconds I determined it to be a play free of pressure. I came up with 58 pass plays. Some were negated by penalties. I didn't have the time to sort those out. Here are the resutls:

Out of 58 pass plays I determined that the Chargers got pressure clearly on six plays. There are also two plays where Cousins is sacked or hit at exactly three seconds so let's count those also. That makes eight plays out of 58 or 14% of drop backs.

Kirk successfully navigated the pressure three of the plays including throwing a TD pass on one of them.

His sacks came at 3, 5, 6, and 5 seconds so like I said I counted the 3 second one as a pressure.

I saved my notes on this so if anyone else wants to go through the plays like I did and disagree with my results I'm willing to take a look.

14% pressure rate and half the fan base talks about "running for his life from the onset of the snap on every play".

It's good analysis except we don't know if anybody is open after just 3 seconds. Or 4 seconds. Best coach on the field yesterday was Chargers OC. Quick hitters against back 7 that only had 5 back there because of all the blitzes.

I've been on board with getting a mobile QB for 2 years now. But, our OLine is not excellent and finally had a decent game against the 32nd rated defense.

If, after everything we've invested into our pass catchers, no one is open... check that... CONSISTENTLY no one is open then disband the franchise. We have Justin Jefferson, TJ Hockenson, and Jordan Addison for crying out loud.

Obviously Cousins is not going to see some guys when they are open. And that is on him.

But, your analysis leads us to believe that we have open guys every play, beating double teams, waving their arms while Kirk panics into a sack.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

He tries to win, KFC does not..

Case closed.

Tries to win? What does that mean? I live in Illinois near Chicago so I"m force fed Bear news and every single game is on TV. Fields is a very, very inaccurate passer and doesn't see the field well at all. His only skill is running. Cousins has his faults, that's obvious, but there is no way that any objective football observer would take Fields over Cousins at this point in time. If Fields "tries" to win, then why have the Bears lost 13 straight games?

He is in his second season…

JFC..KFC is in his 12th

KFC has multiple talented receivers, everywhere, including out of the backfield..

Chicago got waffle stomped by Kanas city, I didn’t watch the game, I had plumbing to look at for my SIL.

when I got back home, Kc was up 41-0, K C backupQB, running backs, and skill players were still gashing Chicago for yards.

Chicago got 2 turnover, by their defense.. scored on both of them..

How did Cousins do when handed a take-away or TOOD in scoring position…?


He ****ing choked..

I await your but, but..,but..
Rebuttal claiming that Fields, as a second year player, has piss poor mechanics and patience in the passing game.

What the hell ever…

His mobility is a PLUS.

Our STATUTE QB, has no pocket awareness, and stands there eating hits and fumbling, like the moron he is…

Prosecution rests.

Then we might as well put Mattison at QB if that's all you care about.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

KOC blaming the crowd is about as dumb as it gets. Does anyone really buy that?

Not for a second.

If you don't know to clock the ball in that situation, you are a dumbfuck that doesn't derserve the starting job.

After 12 years in the league you should know better, and they were getting loud because THEY knew you needed to clock it, but you didn't.