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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 11:26:33 AM

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How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

But many didn’t get it done when they didn’t take a lot of cap space and now they do. Also the current wave of QB's seem to really on running and taking big hits. Guys like Lamar and Josh Allen are going to get very old very quickly. "Windows" to win it all will not stay open near as long, besides Mahomes.

< Message edited by ronhextall -- 10/19/2023 11:31:01 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 11:26:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Tom Brady is an enormous statistical outlier and he personally wrecks most any hope for getting a "trend" on Super Bowl winning QBs. He won so damn many of them that barely anyone else got a chance. A new era is now upon us and the winning QBs of this year and beyond are going to be young guys and guys that were young just a second ago. Mahomes is now a vet but he already has two. The time to draft QB talent is now - and it's now even more than ever.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:28:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Does that mean you fold? No, it's all the more reason to draft one... high. Excluding Warner, the draft is where all the SB winning QBs originate.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:37:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Let's broaden the field.

How many QBs have made a SB?

How many QBs have led their team to a Conference Championship Game?

How many have more than a single Playoff Win in a dozen years?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:41:51 PM

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Mahomes has played six full seasons. He does not have six Super Bowl rings. He has two, so other teams have won four times... double the rate he has.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:49:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

GZUZ you're relentless.

Marty's Williams obsession has nothing on you as you bend posts to advocate for Cousins.

He can't and won't win a SB.

There's a vast difference between QBs that have not won a SB ...

and QBs that are unable to get their team there (can't), much less win.

I can hear it now, 'did I say Cousins?'

No but your pounding on that anvil for months has left a ringing in the ears.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 10/19/2023 12:51:05 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:50:06 PM

Jeff Jesser

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

As Ron mentions, that's pretty damn nuts if you think about it. Edit, I didn't read the rest of the posts. Still kina eye opening how young the QB field is right now

< Message edited by Jeff Jesser -- 10/19/2023 12:51:32 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:50:46 PM

Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Does that mean you fold? No, it's all the more reason to draft one... high. Excluding Warner, the draft is where all the SB winning QBs originate.

Im all for drafting one, Bill. Heck, get two. And if this is the last year he's here that's ok, too.

I just shake my head at things like: If you are not a contender there is soo much value in a loss. But maybe he means you don't try to lose but if you do there's good value in it. I dont know ...

Good QBs come from all over the draft - stupid to have to repeat but I think we get fixated on thinking we can't get a good one unless it's high first round

I also think it's silly to continue to rant about Cousins. He's here. What good is repeating how much one can't stand him over and over?

< Message edited by Ricky J -- 10/19/2023 12:52:57 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:53:35 PM

Jeff Jesser

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I haven't watched every game of every top prospect by any means but, because of our situation, I've paid way more attention to non-Gopher CFB this year. Nothing but my eye test and guts but I stay away from Bo Nix. Nothing against the dude but he screams Baker Mayfield to me.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:55:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

GZUZ you're relentless.

Marty's Williams obsession has nothing on you as you bend posts to advocate for Cousins.

He can't and won't win a SB.

There's a vast difference between QBs that have not won a SB ...

and QBs that are unable to get their team there (can't), much less win.

I can hear it now, 'did I say Cousins?'

No but your pounding on that anvil for months has left a ringing in the ears.

What are those other things pounding on the anvil that leave a ringing in your ears? If you dont get it you don't have to scroll up too far to figure it out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 12:55:33 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Teams that have their QB and have a chance at a Super Bowl for this year and possibly more years:

Miami - Tua
Buffalo - Josh Allen
Baltimore - LamJack
Cincinnati - Burrow
Jacksonville - TLaw
Kansas City - Mahomes
LA Chargers - Herbert
Philly - Hurts
San Fran - Purdy

Teams that have recently taken a chance and that chance remains to be seen:

Jets - Aaron Rodgers
Browns - Watson
Colts - Richardson
Texans - Stroud
Carolina - Bryce Young
Detroit - Jared Goff

Teams that appear to have a failed try:

New England - Mac Jones
Pittsburgh - Pickett
Tennessee - Tannehill
Denver - Mr. Unlimited
Dallas - Dak
Arizona - Murray
Minnesota - Cousins
Chicago - Fields
Green Bay - Love

Teams that don't appear to even be trying:

Washington - Sam Howell?
Atlanta - Desmond RIdder?
Las Vegas - Not even sure who their qb is
New Orleans - Also don't know who their QB is

Weird Ducks

Seattle - Is Geno Smith working out?
La Rams - It worked but now it's not working but by golly it worked so everything is fine? I'd be fine if I had a recent championship.
Tampa - See LA Rams

The big question is, does the window truly stay wide open when the QB "Gets Paid".

I find it all fascinating, I enjoy watching San Fran and KC the most. They seem to make offense look so easy when it's needed. Baltimore and Buffalo seem to need their QBs to take a pounding to win at a high level. Baltimore already seems to be regressing.

That includes the Chiefs. Last year was the first time Mahomes was paid well but not crazy well. In this the second year they don't look like world-beaters but who knows.

And in the next four year, Mahomes' average cap hit is about $60 million. As in he "Gets Paid!". So, let's see whether their window will truly stay wide open as you label it or will they have roster problems after paying their QB the market rate.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:00:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Does that mean you fold? No, it's all the more reason to draft one... high. Excluding Warner, the draft is where all the SB winning QBs originate.

Im all for drafting one, Bill. Heck, get two. And if this is the last year he's here that's ok, too.

I just shake my head at things like: If you are not a contender there is soo much value in a loss. But maybe he means you don't try to lose but if you do there's good value in it. I dont know ...

Good QBs come from all over the draft - stupid to have to repeat but I think we get fixated on thinking we can't get a good one unless it's high first round

I also think it's silly to continue to rant about Cousins. He's here. What good is repeating how much one can't stand him over and over?

My only add is I believe it's been shown here over the years that QBs drafted in the first round are more successful. I don't know if there was a breakdown of particular first round groupings like high, middle, bottom. Sometimes there is a diamond late in the draft, but it's certainly not the way to go about seeking a QBOTF.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:06:22 PM

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How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

As Ron mentions, that's pretty damn nuts if you think about it. Edit, I didn't read the rest of the posts. Still kina eye opening how young the QB field is right now

Yes, one of the rest of the posts like where David F said Brady helped create that outlying factoid. At the end of the day it's 'so what?'. If anything I'd pour more resources into getting a QB. I'm not sure what Ron's point is, but for a year he's all but crowned future SBs to Mahomes (and earlier he had a couple of other QBs in the mix).

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 10/19/2023 1:08:57 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:13:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Does that mean you fold? No, it's all the more reason to draft one... high. Excluding Warner, the draft is where all the SB winning QBs originate.

Im all for drafting one, Bill. Heck, get two. And if this is the last year he's here that's ok, too.

I just shake my head at things like: If you are not a contender there is soo much value in a loss. But maybe he means you don't try to lose but if you do there's good value in it. I dont know ...

Good QBs come from all over the draft - stupid to have to repeat but I think we get fixated on thinking we can't get a good one unless it's high first round

I also think it's silly to continue to rant about Cousins. He's here. What good is repeating how much one can't stand him over and over?

My only add is I believe it's been shown here over the years that QBs drafted in the first round are more successful. I don't know if there was a breakdown of particular first round groupings like high, middle, bottom. Sometimes there is a diamond late in the draft, but it's certainly not the way to go about seeking a QBOTF.

I agree

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:13:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

As Ron mentions, that's pretty damn nuts if you think about it. Edit, I didn't read the rest of the posts. Still kina eye opening how young the QB field is right now

Yes, one of the rest of the posts like where David F said Brady helped create that outlying factoid. At the end of the day it's 'so what?'. If anything I'd pour more resources into getting a QB. I'm not sure what Ron's point is, but for a year he's all but crowned future SBs to Mahomes (and earlier a couple of other Qbs).

Not sure I have a point, it is what it is.

Lots of teams think/thought they have their QB Dak, Herbert, Allen, and Lamar to name a few. They didn't get it done when they took very little cap space, now they will have to deliver with cheaper talent.

Meanwhile the Chiefs dump Hill, and keep on winning.

Not sure there really is a formula, take away Brady, Manning, and Mahomes and "get lucky/hot" seems to be the best path in the past 20 years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:26:28 PM

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All teams are hunting for that franchise QB and hold on to them once they have them. The best teams move on quickly if it's not happening and still remain competitive. I was hoping KAM was a trendy new age GM that may get the new NFL, but he's definitely a commodities trader learning football. Right now we're getting killed by the S&P 500, he'd do better putting it on autodraft. I hope in '24 he can at least approach it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:44:55 PM

Bill Johanesen

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All teams are hunting for that franchise QB and hold on to them once they have them. The best teams move on quickly if it's not happening and still remain competitive. I was hoping KAM was a trendy new age GM that may get the new NFL, but he's definitely a commodities trader learning football. Right now we're getting killed by the S&P 500, he'd do better putting it on autodraft. I hope in '24 he can at least approach it.

He needs a small team to do an analysis to mimic what Kevin Costner did on a tip in Draft Day... who is not leader, who can't handle pressure. Then go a step further and find the QB who best can.

Kwesi definitely picks players from the big/well-known universities.

Georgia, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma...
USC, USC, LSU, LSU...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:52:43 PM

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Using the QBs from my breakdown a few days ago:

Have a chance (legit contender) or are killing it:

Tua: Round 1 pick 5 2020
Allen: Round 1 pick 7 2018
Lamar: Round 1 pick 32 2018
Burrow: Round 1 pick 1 2020
TLaw: Round 1 pick 1 2021
Mahomes: Round 1 pick 10 2017
Herbert: Round 1 pick 6 2020
Hurts: Round 2 pick 53 2020
Purdy: Round 7 pick 262

Remains to be seen:

Rodgers: Round 1 pick 24 2005 - in fairness he won a Super Bowl like 43 years ago so he could also be in category 1
Watson: Round 1 pick 12 2017
Richardson: Round 1 pick 4 2023
Stroud: Round 1 pick 2 2023
Young: Round 1 pick 1 2023
Goff: Round 1 pcik 1 2016

Weird ducks

Geno Smith: Round 2 pick 39 2013
Stafford: Round 1 pick 1 - technically could also be in the first category because literally just won the Super Bowl 2 seasons ago

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:55:40 PM

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My expert/in-depth/smartypants/intellectual opinion, based on my research, is that it's better to have the highest pick you can possibly get because by golly then you can get the high pick QB AND the later-in-the-draft diamond in the rough.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 1:59:09 PM

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Further expert/in-depth/smartypants/intellectual analysis tells me that QBs like Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes might fall to 32 and 10 back in 2018 and 2017 when decision makers were nervous and/or oblivious to the value that QBs with their skills brought to the table and that the NFL was going to bend the rules to make the game custom-built for those skills. In 2023, these QBs go in the first four picks.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 2:47:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Does that mean you fold? No, it's all the more reason to draft one... high. Excluding Warner, the draft is where all the SB winning QBs originate.

Im all for drafting one, Bill. Heck, get two. And if this is the last year he's here that's ok, too.

I just shake my head at things like: If you are not a contender there is soo much value in a loss. But maybe he means you don't try to lose but if you do there's good value in it. I dont know ...

Good QBs come from all over the draft - stupid to have to repeat but I think we get fixated on thinking we can't get a good one unless it's high first round

I also think it's silly to continue to rant about Cousins. He's here. What good is repeating how much one can't stand him over and over?

My only add is I believe it's been shown here over the years that QBs drafted in the first round are more successful. I don't know if there was a breakdown of particular first round groupings like high, middle, bottom. Sometimes there is a diamond late in the draft, but it's certainly not the way to go about seeking a QBOTF.

Superbowl winners from last 20 years...
Does seem to favor the round 1 QBs

Aaron Rodgers, Packers 1
Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers 1
Cam Newton, Panthers 1
Donovan McNabb, Eagles 1
Eli Manning, Giants 1
Jared Goff, Rams 1
Joe Burrow, Bengals 1
Joe Flacco, Ravens 1
Matt Ryan, Falcons 1
Matthew Stafford, Rams 1
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs 1
Peyton Manning, Broncos 1
Rex Grossman, Bears 1
Colin Kaepernick, 49ers 2
Drew Brees, Saints 2
Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers 2
Jalen Hurts 3
Nick Foles, Eagles 3
Russell Wilson, Seahawks 3
Russell Wilson, Seahawks 3
Rich Gannon, Raiders 4
Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks 6
Tom Brady, Patriots 6
Brad Johnson, Buccaneers 9
Jake Delhomme, Panthers uda
Kurt Warner, Rams uda

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 3:06:02 PM

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I think the big key, these days in the NFL is 2 fold:

1. have a great QB (duh)
2. find ways to bend the rules

The Pats 'dynasty' was riddled with those and now, look at the Chiefs. Their RT lines up about 3 yards off the LOS every play so he can't get beat to the outside. I've seen them flagged for it but the refs will, obviously, not penalize them everytime so Reid goes with it. Same with all their movement. No chance everyone is set ever single play but is the league willing to call 40 penalties and risk a total flag fest or just turn a bit of a blind eye when it's not hyper obvious?

I saw the Chiefs about 2-3 weeks ago when I first noticed the RT. It was really blatant. They called him 2 times in about 4-5 plays for it. He "corrected" it somewhat where it was still, technically, a penalty but not as bad. After a series of that he went right back to it and wasn't called the rest of the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 3:40:23 PM

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Yeah, illegal formation and false starts aren't called much against the teams with top QBs. These teams can hold all day as well. It seems like if you do it all the time, like you said, they'll flag it a couple times early and then let it go. In full conspiracy mode, the flag sees light of day again when it's needed to squash certain comebacks or start them... :)

It's the "National Entertainment League" where things like the Swift/Kelce romance dominate and the football is merely a distraction from this reality TV show. The AWS Next Gen Stats, the Hard Knocks stuff, it's showtime!

Similarly, walking around the CU campus pre-game before the CSU game was a complete frenzy of selfiedom and groupies. I bet half that crowd couldn't name 3 types of penalties, or any of the positions other than maybe QB. They knew how much Shadeur's watch and Rolls cost though...SMH Sko' Buffs!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 3:57:03 PM

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How many currently active NFL QB's have won a Super Bowl as the starting QB?

Mahomes, Stafford, and Wilson are it I believe.

Nobody would trade a box of practice balls for Stafford or Wilson at this point.

I find that to be a crazy factoid.

Correct.

31 teams you could argue don't have a QB that can win it. No?

Does that mean you fold? No, it's all the more reason to draft one... high. Excluding Warner, the draft is where all the SB winning QBs originate.

Im all for drafting one, Bill. Heck, get two. And if this is the last year he's here that's ok, too.

I just shake my head at things like: If you are not a contender there is soo much value in a loss. But maybe he means you don't try to lose but if you do there's good value in it. I dont know ...

Good QBs come from all over the draft - stupid to have to repeat but I think we get fixated on thinking we can't get a good one unless it's high first round

I also think it's silly to continue to rant about Cousins. He's here. What good is repeating how much one can't stand him over and over?

My only add is I believe it's been shown here over the years that QBs drafted in the first round are more successful. I don't know if there was a breakdown of particular first round groupings like high, middle, bottom. Sometimes there is a diamond late in the draft, but it's certainly not the way to go about seeking a QBOTF.

Superbowl winners from last 20 years...
Does seem to favor the round 1 QBs

Aaron Rodgers, Packers 1
Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers 1
Cam Newton, Panthers 1
Donovan McNabb, Eagles 1
Eli Manning, Giants 1
Jared Goff, Rams 1
Joe Burrow, Bengals 1
Joe Flacco, Ravens 1
Matt Ryan, Falcons 1
Matthew Stafford, Rams 1
Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs 1
Peyton Manning, Broncos 1
Rex Grossman, Bears 1
Colin Kaepernick, 49ers 2
Drew Brees, Saints 2
Jimmy Garoppolo, 49ers 2
Jalen Hurts 3
Nick Foles, Eagles 3
Russell Wilson, Seahawks 3
Russell Wilson, Seahawks 3
Rich Gannon, Raiders 4
Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks 6
Tom Brady, Patriots 6
Brad Johnson, Buccaneers 9
Jake Delhomme, Panthers uda
Kurt Warner, Rams uda

McNabb, Goff, Newton, Burrow, Hurts, Kap, Delhomme? Jimmy G was a backup. More like they were in the SB.

But it does show some of the low round guys like Brad Johnson were more game manager types.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 10/19/2023 4:08:34 PM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/19/2023 3:59:25 PM

Bill Johanesen

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Here is a list of the last 25 years, but not what round they were picked:

Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs
Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (Julian Edelman), 0TDs
Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 55: Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 56: Matthew Stafford (Cooper Kupp), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 57: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 3 TDs

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