RE: General Vikes Talk

Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports

Forums Register Login My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums

Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ Ticket List Log Out

RE: General Vikes Talk

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [The Minnesota Vikings] >> Vikes Talk >> RE: General Vikes Talk

Page: << < prev 202 203 [204] 205 206 next > >>

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 10:30:53 AM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 33122
Status: offline

Del.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 11/19/2023 11:28:55 AM >

Post #: 5076

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 10:39:43 AM

David Levine

Posts: 80877
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Las Vegas
Status: offline

I think just getting to the Playoffs is enough to keep Dobbs on a reasonable deal while still looking to the draft for the future.

If we win one Playoff game, then Dobbs has basically hit Cousins’ ceiling and I don’t see how you could even consider bringing Kirk back considering his age, injury, history and price.

If we win two Playoff games (where Dobbs leads us to the wins), I think we have to consider he might be the guy.

< Message edited by David Levine -- 11/19/2023 10:41:28 AM >

Post #: 5077

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 12:12:16 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

Posts: 20937
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

Justin Jefferson. Not tough. Not needed. Might as well shut him down for the season and trade him.

Right on time... as reliable as a Swiss watch... and train.

You said you manned up in high school with a hammy so with that laughable comparo as your baseline shouldn't the training staff and docs be fired as well? Or is this just all on not-tough Jefferson?

I might be out in left field, but there might be a slight degree of caution bringing back one of the best WRs in the NFL. Maybe it's different to high school ball in Canada, who knows.

I thought I heard recently that it was on Jefferson to make the decision at this point. So this leads me to believe that he's been medically cleared. Could have been misinformation. I'm trying to remember where I heard it from.

Prior to this injury, Jefferson played 55 out of 57 regular season games. He hadn't missed a game since his rookie and hadn't missed a playoff game. Over that span, Jefferson has made some great catches through some pretty nasty hits. JJ is plenty tough. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

I would say it most definitely wouldn't be about his toughness and would be about making sure he gets to his next contract.

< Message edited by Richard Neussendorfer -- 11/19/2023 12:14:07 PM >

Post #: 5078

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 12:42:06 PM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 32127
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

Vikings fifth team since 1950 to go 5-0 with 3 different starting QBs

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 5079

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 1:00:59 PM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 33122
Status: offline

"The hamstring is a difficult injury just because it lingers and it comes back from time to time if you don't put the right treatment into it," Jefferson said in his first public comments since suffering the injury Oct. 8.

"The guys and the rest of the coaching staff in this building know my worth on the field and they want me at 100 percent, as I do as well. I don't want to go out there at 80 or 90 percent and have the chance of hurting it again. It's just day-to-day, and when that time comes, I'll definitely be ready to step out there."

Sounds reasonable. Perhaps being medically cleared to play is different than making decisions to help assure an injury is fully healed to prevent reoccurrence. The team culture still has that old school mentality to a degree: get a shot at halftime and get your ass back out there.

If it was some backup or low level starter, they'd mandate he get back out there. JJ can say uh, not so fast.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 11/19/2023 1:11:24 PM >

Post #: 5080

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 1:07:20 PM

Bill Johanesen

Posts: 33122
Status: offline

With other types of injuries, all fans have seen cases of players not opting for surgery during the offseason then re-aggravating the injury close to opening day... to the point where the player then requires surgery. Fans are like, you selfish idiot, why didn't you get the surgery immediately!

Post #: 5081

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 1:22:32 PM

stfrank

Posts: 12562
Joined: 7/22/2007
From: Twin Cities
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

"The hamstring is a difficult injury just because it lingers and it comes back from time to time if you don't put the right treatment into it," Jefferson said in his first public comments since suffering the injury Oct. 8.

"The guys and the rest of the coaching staff in this building know my worth on the field and they want me at 100 percent, as I do as well. I don't want to go out there at 80 or 90 percent and have the chance of hurting it again. It's just day-to-day, and when that time comes, I'll definitely be ready to step out there."

Sounds reasonable. Perhaps being medically cleared to play is different than making decisions to help assure an injury is fully healed to prevent reoccurrence. The team culture still has that old school mentality to a degree: get a shot at halftime and get your ass back out there.

If it was some backup or low level starter, they'd mandate he get back out there. JJ can say uh, not so fast.

Yup, if you want me to re-sign here, I say when I'm ready to play.

Post #: 5082

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 1:59:43 PM

Ricky J

Posts: 18444
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline

Go Bears!

Post #: 5083

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 2:18:34 PM

Jeff Jesser

Posts: 20119
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: Southern Cal
Status: offline

I’m stuck with the Puke/Chargers. I have to ask. How the heck did we lose to the Chargers??? They are a terrible team.

Post #: 5084

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 2:41:20 PM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 32127
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I’m stuck with the Puke/Chargers. I have to ask. How the heck did we lose to the Chargers??? They are a terrible team.

Bosa and Mike Williams are both out. Different team.

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 5085

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 2:42:32 PM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 32127
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Go Bears!

Goff has 3 ints. Bears are playing well

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 5086

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 3:10:11 PM

Jeff Jesser

Posts: 20119
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: Southern Cal
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I’m stuck with the Puke/Chargers. I have to ask. How the heck did we lose to the Chargers??? They are a terrible team.

Bosa and Mike Williams are both out. Different team.

Herbert just put a game winner on QJ and he flat out dropped it. Makes you appreciate Addison even more.

Post #: 5087

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 3:43:51 PM

marty

Posts: 14129
Joined: 12/28/2007
Status: offline

Kwesi deserves credit for getting Dobbs, but some luck may have been involved, as I linked an article earlier that claimed the Vikings tried to get Brissett before getting Dobbs.

_____________________________

SKOL to the BOWL !!!

Post #: 5088

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 3:52:07 PM

fmaltes

Posts: 1019
Joined: 9/8/2008
Status: offline

From the Mercy Health Site documenting hamstring strains:

Mild to moderate (grade 1 or 2) tears or strains can heal within three to eight weeks with diligent home therapy. For a grade 3 hamstring tear or strain, recovery may be as long as three months.

Returning to sports before the injury is fully healed can cause more severe injuries.

While it was a long time ago, when I had a hamstring strain while running track, it took me 8 weeks to get back to being able to sprint. Also, from me, it was not an issue of "toughing it out". I just did not have the ability to sprint. Jefferson should stay out until after the bye and make sure the injury is fully healed.

Post #: 5089

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 4:11:38 PM

Todd M

Posts: 41758
Joined: 7/14/2007
Status: offline

JJ’s was a grade .5 strain.

Post #: 5090

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 4:40:02 PM

Ricky J

Posts: 18444
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: fmaltes

From the Mercy Health Site documenting hamstring strains:

Mild to moderate (grade 1 or 2) tears or strains can heal within three to eight weeks with diligent home therapy. For a grade 3 hamstring tear or strain, recovery may be as long as three months.

Returning to sports before the injury is fully healed can cause more severe injuries.

While it was a long time ago, when I had a hamstring strain while running track, it took me 8 weeks to get back to being able to sprint. Also, from me, it was not an issue of "toughing it out". I just did not have the ability to sprint. Jefferson should stay out until after the bye and make sure the injury is fully healed.

Same here. Toughing out a severe ankle sprain, no problem - a hammy, nope!

Post #: 5091

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 4:53:34 PM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 32127
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

I remember Randy’s hammy being the end for him. He played with a bad hammy and if you don’t let it heal it can take your career at 33

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 11/19/2023 4:54:57 PM >

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 5092

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:02:50 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

Posts: 20937
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline

I think we should just be really safe and shut him down until next season.

Post #: 5093

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:03:27 PM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 32127
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

I think we should just be really safe and shut him down until next season.

It is a 4-6 week injury.

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 5094

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:06:37 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

Posts: 20937
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

I think we should just be really safe and shut him down until next season.

It is a 4-6 week injury.

It doesn't seem so now does it.

Post #: 5095

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:24:41 PM

Phil Riewer

Posts: 32127
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

I think we should just be really safe and shut him down until next season.

It is a 4-6 week injury.

It doesn't seem so now does it.

This is the 6th week. Kupp was out all preseason and first four with a hammy.

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 11/19/2023 5:26:18 PM >

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq

Post #: 5096

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:28:50 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

Posts: 20937
Joined: 12/7/2007
From: Alamogordo, NM
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

I think we should just be really safe and shut him down until next season.

It is a 4-6 week injury.

It doesn't seem so now does it.

This is the 6th week. Kupp was out all preseason and first four with a hammy.

Considering today is actually a full six weeks it appears it's not a 4-6 week injury.

Post #: 5097

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:49:52 PM

Ricky J

Posts: 18444
Joined: 7/19/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

I think we should just be really safe and shut him down until next season.

It is a 4-6 week injury.

It doesn't seem so now does it.

This is the 6th week. Kupp was out all preseason and first four with a hammy.

Considering today is actually a full six weeks it appears it's not a 4-6 week injury.

8 weeks

Post #: 5098

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 5:57:55 PM

Daniel Lee Young

Posts: 16451
Status: offline

I don’t really think it matters..

I’m fine with JJ coming back when HE feels ready.. it’s his career and his body, so it’s totally his decision.

Other receivers have stepped up, filled the void and gained invaluable experience in KOC’s offensive scheme.

If JJ comes back fully healthy, come playoff or while fighting for a spot to get in the playoffs.. so much the better.

I want to see our offense with Addison, Jefferson, Hockenson, and Osborn..

Dreams of three deep and a Cinderella story to finally get the SUPERBOWL win we deserve.

SKOL Vikes!

Crush Denver, on the road, in prime time and serve notice..

_____________________________

Deep Purple, Gand Funk Railroad, AC\DC, George and PinkFloyd, The Beetles, Jethro Tull, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, The Who

Post #: 5099

RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/19/2023 6:03:03 PM

Daniel Lee Young

Posts: 16451
Status: offline

As much as I hate the rams, we need them to beat Seattle..

_____________________________

Deep Purple, Gand Funk Railroad, AC\DC, George and PinkFloyd, The Beetles, Jethro Tull, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, The Who

Post #: 5100