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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/30/2023 10:26:20 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Just in case anyone didn't know.....Dan Campbell is a doofus.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/30/2023 10:35:56 PM

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Just in case anyone didn't know.....Dan Campbell is a doofus.

He’s an emotional decision maker.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/30/2023 11:44:20 PM

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Late to the party...

I was lamenting the Flacco non signing a bit as well.
So I tuned into the Jets/Browns games Thursday.

I thought during the game (casual watching at best)... "man, Joe throws a lot of balls into heavy coverage."

So I looked up his stats.

8 picks in 5 games.
Should have been more in the Jets game.

I'm not sure he would have moved the needle here that much... maybe some.

I think the Browns just have a really good defense and a better run game than the Vikes.
(Probably better offensive coaching as well... but Stefanski has had his bumps too and KOC is still learning on the job)

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/30/2023 11:50:35 PM

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Just in case anyone didn't know.....Dan Campbell is a doofus.

Everyone is ripping on the official(and rightfully so). But, if you tell Dallas 68 is eligible(not 70), they probably pay attention to him and he isn't wide open.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 2:56:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: beo

Late to the party...

I was lamenting the Flacco non signing a bit as well.
So I tuned into the Jets/Browns games Thursday.

I thought during the game (casual watching at best)... "man, Joe throws a lot of balls into heavy coverage."

So I looked up his stats.

8 picks in 5 games.
Should have been more in the Jets game.

I'm not sure he would have moved the needle here that much... maybe some.

I think the Browns just have a really good defense and a better run game than the Vikes.
(Probably better offensive coaching as well... but Stefanski has had his bumps too and KOC is still learning on the job)

Without Chubb.

I do find it interesting that Flacco and Hunt were both interested in becoming Vikings, and I guess we were happy with the likes of Mattison, Akers, Chandler, Dobbs and Mullens.

I don't think Flacco is great any more, but he is a leader. Hunt would have been perfect for this team. I also don't think he is great. Low bar, and we somehow always find a way to stay under it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 5:49:02 AM

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Have always wondered if they chose Addison (or targeted a WR) in the 1st round as a hedge against JJ leaving via trade due to cap concerns or potentially just wanting out. At the time, Thielen had been released and Osborn was/is merely an ok #3 WR approaching free agency. QB could have been an option or need but there wasn't much to choose from.

This is the year to get a QB. But absent a costly trade up, how far down the QB list are they willing to go considering they likely are not sold on every one of, say, the top 6-8 QBs?

It seems to me like they have passed the point of being finicky choosy to get QB lucky. Like me picking lotto numbers based on the final ages of my six dead dogs since childhood. Sure, makes perfect sense … does it get me any closer to winning?

Time to adjust the spray nozzle to maximum wad size and let it rip.

Make the QB draft picks rain.

Disagree. Don't force picks out of desperation. Pick a guy you really want. If you have to overpay to move up and get that guy, go for it. But don't draft a dud just for the sake of making a pick.

I’m exaggerating. So are you … we are desperate to begin with, not forcing anything.

Nobody is going to take a guy they dont like, nobody drafts a dud intentionally.

When the talent is clear cut, dont reach for need. Clearly.

All things equal, with multiple options of similar talent, need absolutely matters.

My thing is … we are not only desperate but we suck at drafting. We need to invest resources. That’s all I ask.

there have been 13 trades for the 1st overall pick since 1967, and it looks like no team has ever paid even three 1st rounders for the first overall - they have paid as many as two 1st and several 2nds though....

the most recent....

Bears had the 1st overall - Panthers 2023
Bears received
DJ Moore
1st on draft year #9
2nd on draft year #61
1st next year
2nd two years later

Titans had the 1st overall - Rams 2016
Titans received
1st on draft year #15
2nd on draft year
2nd on draft year
3rd on draft year
1st next year
3rd next year

I would gladly pay three 1st, or even more with trade-back picks - all for the #1 quarterback on our list....

i think that one of the keys is not to get financially bogged down on a veteran quarterback this year, i.e., cousins or whoever...we'll have some money for free agents, and with some nifty draft picking we could be reloaded and ready to go in 2025....

Beyond the #1 overall:

The Redskins gave up 3 first rounders and a second rounder for the #2 overall (RG III).

The 49ers gave up 3 first rounders and a third rounder for the #3 overall (Trey Lance).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 6:26:16 AM

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yes, thank you for that...three 1sts and a 2nd - I would pay that and more to draft the 2024 quarterback we covet - quarterback is just so important in today's NFL that it's pointless to spend large amounts of money on other positions without one....

Yeah, it's interesting. Say a team trades (just) two firsts and a second to move up. One of the firsts can be construed as a pick swap, and the team giving up all the picks is actually ahead at just that point. The second first helps equalize that disparity. So in a way it's not that much. Maybe it's semantics. "Team A gave up two first round picks and x." But they also gained a pick, a pick near the top of the draft at that.

Assuming a draft value chart is the be-all, end-all (with outyear picks being discounted), three firsts to move from the middle of the round to the top is entirely in the realm as far as equalizing points.

Conversely, after the trade the other team has more chances to hit on good/great players or trade around. And the player who ends up on the team trading up is under more of a microscope.

Ultimately, it's the risk factor. Three 1st rounders is a lot of draft capital to hope you hit on not just a good QB, but a star. And that player is going to play for 2-3 years regardless... the QB position is on freeze all the while. But the reward is great....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 7:46:35 AM

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Why hasn't the NFL set the kickoff times for week 18 games? Just the timing of the games could impact whether the Lions rest their starters, which in turn affects the Vikings ability to win the game, which then helps decide the draft slot. It should be a noon local kickoff, but who knows what shenanigans the NFL and the networks will pull to maximize the drama.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 7:57:44 AM

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We have never made a big move up into the top of the first round.

This is the year I hope we do, even if the cost sets us back for a year. I'd prefer that to our usual safe, conservative approach that make a us a playoff competitive team.

ID 3 QB's in the class you love i.e. (Williams, Maye, Daniels), make a Godfather offer to a team like the Cardinals, picking in that range and get one of your guys.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 8:03:44 AM

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IMO there have been just two QBs in the past 50 years who were can't miss types: Elway and Manning. Perhaps Luck as well. And scouts were falling over Jeff George after his pro day (or maybe combine) so he'd be up there, but not to the same degree.

How many first round picks were they worth to teams wanting to trade up?

Elway and Manning were both drafted by the Colts, Baltimore and Indianapolis respectively. Baltimore didn't get a boatload in the trade, but Elway's preferences factored into that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 8:52:56 AM

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We have never made a big move up into the top of the first round.

This is the year I hope we do, even if the cost sets us back for a year. I'd prefer that to our usual safe, conservative approach that make a us a playoff competitive team.

ID 3 QB's in the class you love i.e. (Williams, Maye, Daniels), make a Godfather offer to a team like the Cardinals, picking in that range and get one of your guys.

I think the chance of Kwesi trading down is probably greater.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 9:20:11 AM

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The question is what does Kwesi think his best move to garner an extension is?

Will he get an extension with another year being competitive or will he need a playoff run?

I hope he gambles, goes big or goes home and finds a way to land their absolute favourite QB. I’d respect that even if it failed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 10:47:09 AM

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Just in case anyone didn't know.....Dan Campbell is a doofus.

Everyone is ripping on the official(and rightfully so). But, if you tell Dallas 68 is eligible(not 70), they probably pay attention to him and he isn't wide open.

Campbell really screwed the pooch here. As David pointed out, he's way too emotional at times.

Going for the win was fine. After getting the penalty he had a chance to rethink that decision and he still went for it. That was dumb. After Parson's was offsides, he had a 3rd crack to think about it and STILL said 'f' it.

At that point it's time to slow down, take the extra point and regroup.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 2:07:05 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Just in case anyone didn't know.....Dan Campbell is a doofus.

Everyone is ripping on the official(and rightfully so). But, if you tell Dallas 68 is eligible(not 70), they probably pay attention to him and he isn't wide open.

Campbell really screwed the pooch here. As David pointed out, he's way too emotional at times.

Going for the win was fine. After getting the penalty he had a chance to rethink that decision and he still went for it. That was dumb. After Parson's was offsides, he had a 3rd crack to think about it and STILL said 'f' it.

At that point it's time to slow down, take the extra point and regroup.

Exactly my thoughts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 2:43:02 PM

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Baltimore is the class of the league. Lamar would have looked good in a different shade of purple.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 3:35:47 PM

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Rams win, Saints win, TB just has to beat Carolina next week. Seattle could win too and all that still doesn't put a bullet in the dying dog teams in the hunt. Vikings, losers of 4 of their last 5, need a tie tonight to humanely end the season.

And... the Bears are in the hunt, LMAO!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 3:47:46 PM

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IMO there have been just two QBs in the past 50 years who were can't miss types: Elway and Manning. Perhaps Luck as well. And scouts were falling over Jeff George after his pro day (or maybe combine) so he'd be up there, but not to the same degree.

How many first round picks were they worth to teams wanting to trade up?

Elway and Manning were both drafted by the Colts, Baltimore and Indianapolis respectively. Baltimore didn't get a boatload in the trade, but Elway's preferences factored into that.

And a crazy sidenote... there was a lot of differing opinion on Manning vs Leaf.
That couldn't have been a more lopsided outcome of careers.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 6:04:21 PM

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An opening…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 6:19:20 PM

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Jake browning has ZERO chance against the KC defense down 8..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 10:28:54 PM

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Until Kevin and Kwesi go there will be no hoping ‘this’ year could be the year.

Maybe we’ll be the team of the 2030’s.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 10:46:46 PM

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I’d sit JJ next game.

Protect the asset. Trade the asset.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 10:53:48 PM

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Picking 12vth looking at ESPN league standings.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 12/31/2023 10:55:59 PM

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Dumb targeting the franchise QB. Dumber grooming him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/1/2024 4:49:29 AM

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Trading up to the #1 spot is a possibility.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/1/2024 7:32:13 AM

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Suffering my New Years Viking hangover this morning. Have that horrible taste in my mouth and my head hurts thinking about this team. Yes injuries make a difference but the lack of preparation is on the coaches. I am not for kicking KOC out the door this year but he needs to prove it next year. Is he last year's coach of a winning team or the one we have seen this year?

Happy New Year to you all!

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