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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

My biggest takeaway from last night was when they put the camera on KAM. He was sitting there clowning it up with a shit eating grin on face. His project, about to get bounced from the playoffs by their arch rivals, at home....and he's having a great time.

That just blew my mind. You're the GM that put this thing together and they are getting boat raced. I would have stormed out after the first to start looking for better answers but I'm glad he was having a good time. It was NYE after all.

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Weak ass owners, shitty GM and a clueless offensive wannabe head coach.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

If they offer more guaranteed money to KFC..

I’ll be joining Art Forte in “ what ever happened to that guy….” land..

t least as far as commenting on this team..

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Fun Fact:

Rookie Jaren Hall is actually older than 4 year "vet" Jordan Love...

Speaking of which... Penix and Nix will both be 24 when training camp rolls around. Penix has six collegiate seasons, Nix five. They should, and probably will, be discounted for age and an imbalance in experience. The last of the COVID-era babies?

While mock drafts are certainly not done by those in the know, many of them I've quickly checked have those guys going in the 2nd round.

Penix scares me. 17 starts his first 4 years because of injuries. 4 Season ending injuries in his career.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/would-patriots-take-a-chance-on-michael-penix-jr-despite-his-injury-history/570800/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/michael-penix-jr-injury-history-washington-qb/53294f30524200aa707f2876

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

At the moment, Ryan Poles (hired by the Bears a day before Vikes hired Kwesi) is way ahead of Kwesi in positioning his team for future success. I can't imagine this is lost on the Wilfs. Didn't they always decide on renewing Spielman a year before his contract expired? Kwesi has one year to show something. Worst case is if short-termism dictates his moves over the next year.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Fun Fact:

Rookie Jaren Hall is actually older than 4 year "vet" Jordan Love...

Speaking of which... Penix and Nix will both be 24 when training camp rolls around. Penix has six collegiate seasons, Nix five. They should, and probably will, be discounted for age and an imbalance in experience. The last of the COVID-era babies?

While mock drafts are certainly not done by those in the know, many of them I've quickly checked have those guys going in the 2nd round.

Penix scares me. 17 starts his first 4 years because of injuries. 4 Season ending injuries in his career.

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/would-patriots-take-a-chance-on-michael-penix-jr-despite-his-injury-history/570800/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/michael-penix-jr-injury-history-washington-qb/53294f30524200aa707f2876

I started saying he was my guy when we went on a run and looked to be drafting around 22. I had the caveat that the injuries scared me. At 10-12 I would have major concerns.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

At the moment, Ryan Poles (hired by the Bears a day before Vikes hired Kwesi) is way ahead of Kwesi in positioning his team for future success. I can't imagine this is lost on the Wilfs. Didn't they always decide on renewing Spielman a year before his contract expired? Kwesi has one year to show something. Worst case is if short-termism dictates his moves over the next year.

They better not care. According to the reports I read after he interviewed, he laid out his plans to tear it down and they said “nope” so it’s their own damn fault.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have always wondered if they chose Addison (or targeted a WR) in the 1st round as a hedge against JJ leaving via trade due to cap concerns or potentially just wanting out. At the time, Thielen had been released and Osborn was/is merely an ok #3 WR approaching free agency. QB could have been an option or need but there wasn't much to choose from.

This is the year to get a QB. But absent a costly trade up, how far down the QB list are they willing to go considering they likely are not sold on every one of, say, the top 6-8 QBs?

It seems to me like they have passed the point of being finicky choosy to get QB lucky. Like me picking lotto numbers based on the final ages of my six dead dogs since childhood. Sure, makes perfect sense … does it get me any closer to winning?

Time to adjust the spray nozzle to maximum wad size and let it rip.

Make the QB draft picks rain.

Disagree. Don't force picks out of desperation. Pick a guy you really want. If you have to overpay to move up and get that guy, go for it. But don't draft a dud just for the sake of making a pick.

I’m exaggerating. So are you … we are desperate to begin with, not forcing anything.

Nobody is going to take a guy they dont like, nobody drafts a dud intentionally.

When the talent is clear cut, dont reach for need. Clearly.

All things equal, with multiple options of similar talent, need absolutely matters.

My thing is … we are not only desperate but we suck at drafting. We need to invest resources. That’s all I ask.

there have been 13 trades for the 1st overall pick since 1967, and it looks like no team has ever paid even three 1st rounders for the first overall - they have paid as many as two 1st and several 2nds though....

the most recent....

Bears had the 1st overall - Panthers 2023
Bears received
DJ Moore
1st on draft year #9
2nd on draft year #61
1st next year
2nd two years later


Titans had the 1st overall - Rams 2016
Titans received
1st on draft year #15
2nd on draft year
2nd on draft year
3rd on draft year
1st next year
3rd next year


I would gladly pay three 1st, or even more with trade-back picks - all for the #1 quarterback on our list....

i think that one of the keys is not to get financially bogged down on a veteran quarterback this year, i.e., cousins or whoever...we'll have some money for free agents, and with some nifty draft picking we could be reloaded and ready to go in 2025....

Beyond the #1 overall:

The Redskins gave up 3 first rounders and a second rounder for the #2 overall (RG III).

The 49ers gave up 3 first rounders and a third rounder for the #3 overall (Trey Lance).

yes, thank you for that...three 1sts and a 2nd - I would pay that and more to draft the 2024 quarterback we covet - quarterback is just so important in today's NFL that it's pointless to spend large amounts of money on other positions without one....

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

McCarthy is looking like just a guy

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

McCarthy is looking like just a guy

Same but I admitted that I didn’t see a lot of him. He/Nix and Ewers as “top prospects” are in that 2nd tier. JJ did impress me with that one handed catch and throw on the flee flicker. That was very impressive athleticism.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

McCarthy is looking like just a guy

Same but I admitted that I didn’t see a lot of him. He/Nix and Ewers as “top prospects” are in that 2nd tier. JJ did impress me with that one handed catch and throw on the flee flicker. That was very impressive athleticism.

Penix looking pretty good.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

After another season, outside of Hunter what players on defense are foundations for the future or even consistently legit starters?
- Blackmon, just for potential and the halo effect from being a high pick?
- The best of Bynum/Metellus?
- Pace based on hope?

Thy cupboard is bare.



And while Hunter and Davenport are UFAs, they'll live on in spirit in 2024 with their combined $22 million in dead cap (void years) if they are not retained.

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

The competitive rebuild was the wrong course of action and I was strongly in favor of a tear down. We did get to enjoy an entertaining yet hollow 13-4 season last year, all the while knowing we weren't good enough to win the SB with that team.

We've wasted 2 years of JJ and are further away from competing for a SB.

Not only are the cupboards pretty bare for next year, but we're paying a lot of dead cap.

We have maybe 5 guys under team control that other teams would covet and they are all on offense.

I love JJ, but we need to use that asset to kickstart the rebuild. Instead of paying him and Darrisaw big time extensions get some draft capital for them and anyone else that is tradeable. Tear it down to the studs and start by building quality OL and DL. I'm tired of being dominated in the trenches all the time.

Go 1-16 next year with Hall and Mullens as your QB and draft #1 overall in 2025. Get your QB and skill positions go from there, should have a bunch of FA money at that point too to fill in the gaps. You probably draft petty high again in 2026 as the new QB has some growing pains, but 2027 and beyond you should be very competitive if the GM and scouts did their jobs. (Hopefully not Queasy)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

The competitive rebuild was the wrong course of action and I was strongly in favor of a tear down. We did get to enjoy an entertaining yet hollow 13-4 season last year, all the while knowing we weren't good enough to win the SB with that team.

We've wasted 2 years of JJ and are further away from competing for a SB.

Not only are the cupboards pretty bare for next year, but we're paying a lot of dead cap.

We have maybe 5 guys under team control that other teams would covet and they are all on offense.

I love JJ, but we need to use that asset to kickstart the rebuild. Instead of paying him and Darrisaw big time extensions get some draft capital for them and anyone else that is tradeable. Tear it down to the studs and start by building quality OL and DL. I'm tired of being dominated in the trenches all the time.

Go 1-16 next year with Hall and Mullens as your QB and draft #1 overall in 2025. Get your QB and skill positions go from there, should have a bunch of FA money at that point too to fill in the gaps. You probably draft petty high again in 2026 as the new QB has some growing pains, but 2027 and beyond you should be very competitive if the GM and scouts did their jobs. (Hopefully not Queasy)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

McCarthy is looking like just a guy

Same but I admitted that I didn’t see a lot of him. He/Nix and Ewers as “top prospects” are in that 2nd tier. JJ did impress me with that one handed catch and throw on the flee flicker. That was very impressive athleticism.

Penix looking pretty good.

His ball placement is much better than what I've seen in most of the other college qbs. His injury history seems a bit of a concern. Gonna have to take a chance on someone though.