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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.

We'd be fools not to.

Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.

We'd be fools not to.

Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.

'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...

If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.

Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?

2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills

Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.

If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...

If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.

Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.

We'd be fools not to.

Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.

'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...

If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.

Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?

2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills

Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.

If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...

If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.

Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.

We'd be fools not to.

Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.

'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...

If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.

Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?

2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills

Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.

If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...

If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.

Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

Because the Wilfs only care about getting fanboys to dump money into seats and merch and concessions..

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

3:00 Pm cdt is the only thing I care about right now..

My desire is that KFC get let go to chum the waters for some other foolish franchise to “ guarantee “ tens of millions of dollars to a never will QB..

I’d rather suffer though a year or two of struggle, to see if either KOC or KAM, have the chops to turnaround a cluster muck roster, with well thought out personnel decisions, that don’t require a security blanket of mediocre players, including, but not limited to, KFC

Mattison
HSmith
LCine
Others

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

3:00 Pm cdt is the only thing I care about right now..

My desire is that KFC get let go to chum the waters for some other foolish franchise to “ guarantee “ tens of millions of dollars to a never will QB..

I’d rather suffer though a year or two of struggle, to see if either KOC or KAM, have the chops to turnaround a cluster muck roster, with well thought out personnel decisions, that don’t require a security blanket of mediocre players, including, but not limited to, KFC

Mattison
HSmith
LCine
Others

lewis cine is 6-2 and ran a 4.37/40 - one of the fastest safeties in the league...i say, put him in at free safety and make the phucker play - or put him on the tight end...keep him on the field and force him to become a player....

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

3:00 Pm cdt is the only thing I care about right now..

My desire is that KFC get let go to chum the waters for some other foolish franchise to “ guarantee “ tens of millions of dollars to a never will QB..

I’d rather suffer though a year or two of struggle, to see if either KOC or KAM, have the chops to turnaround a cluster muck roster, with well thought out personnel decisions, that don’t require a security blanket of mediocre players, including, but not limited to, KFC

Mattison
HSmith
LCine
Others

lewis cine is 6-2 and ran a 4.37/40 - one of the fastest safeties in the league...i say, put him in at free safety and make the phucker play - or put him on the tight end...keep him on the field and force him to become a player....

And now he can barely keep off the practice squad…

He’s taking the franchise for every dime he can before he gets released, without risking injury, and some other team will bring him in and cut him.. after we let him walk..

He has no commitment to NFL level football, and has done nothing to prove otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.

We'd be fools not to.

Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.

'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...

If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.

Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?

2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills

Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.

If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...

If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.

Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

3:00 Pm cdt is the only thing I care about right now..

My desire is that KFC get let go to chum the waters for some other foolish franchise to “ guarantee “ tens of millions of dollars to a never will QB..

I’d rather suffer though a year or two of struggle, to see if either KOC or KAM, have the chops to turnaround a cluster muck roster, with well thought out personnel decisions, that don’t require a security blanket of mediocre players, including, but not limited to, KFC

Mattison
HSmith
LCine
Others

lewis cine is 6-2 and ran a 4.37/40 - one of the fastest safeties in the league...i say, put him in at free safety and make the phucker play - or put him on the tight end...keep him on the field and force him to become a player....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

3:00 Pm cdt is the only thing I care about right now..

My desire is that KFC get let go to chum the waters for some other foolish franchise to “ guarantee “ tens of millions of dollars to a never will QB..

I’d rather suffer though a year or two of struggle, to see if either KOC or KAM, have the chops to turnaround a cluster muck roster, with well thought out personnel decisions, that don’t require a security blanket of mediocre players, including, but not limited to, KFC

Mattison
HSmith
LCine
Others

lewis cine is 6-2 and ran a 4.37/40 - one of the fastest safeties in the league...i say, put him in at free safety and make the phucker play - or put him on the tight end...keep him on the field and force him to become a player....

The emergence of Metellus and Bynum plus his gruesome injury shouldn't be ignored....but it would be great if he can at least be in the rotation in year 3.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
Took chad greenway one season after an ACL..
what’s Cine’s excuse?
Lost cause for a First rounder..
Waste of space.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
Took chad greenway one season after an ACL..
what’s Cine’s excuse?
Lost cause for a First rounder..
Waste of space.

Are you really comparing Cine to Greenway? apples and oranges with a little bit of cherry picking.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.

We'd be fools not to.

Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.

'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...

If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.

Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?

2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills

Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.

If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...

If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.

Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

Because the Wilfs only care about getting fanboys to dump money into seats and merch and concessions..

It certainly feels like a business venture, on their part.

I wonder if they would own the team differently if we were the Giants ...

be more hands on, frantic to win ... as true fans of the team ...

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young
Took chad greenway one season after an ACL..
what’s Cine’s excuse?
Lost cause for a First rounder..
Waste of space.

Are you really comparing Cine to Greenway? apples and oranges with a little bit of cherry picking.

Why the hell not? You pull crap out of some magical idiot box like you own the patent and franchise..
They are both drafted football players who suffered a serious injury..
Cine can’t even get off the bench on special teams..
He is a flat out bust as a first round pick.
Period.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes
but it gives me a big ol' chafing that our due diligence - at least up until this point - is probably researching prospects you can develop behind Cousins versus a critical and imminent decision for your franchise moving forward now. Its the difference between selling out to make something happen versus sitting at #11 and making the smartest choice of the options in front of you.

I believe our due diligence so far includes includes meeting with most if not all of the projected top 6 QBs in the draft. I also know of meetings with most of the top defensive prospects. Do you want us to sell out to make something happen? I'm pretty sure we've explored that.

Absolutely.
We'd be fools not to.
Let me rephrase that ... we ARE fools, we'd be bigger fools if we just sit and go along with what happens.

Then we have to trade up to 1 with the Bears. It's the only way to assure getting the best possible pick. I'm thinking the cost is this years 11 and our next 3 first round picks. Maybe Jefferson and 11 will get it done is another way to sell out. The Bears keep Fields and possibly take a QB at 9 as well.

I don't know what the options are. But the Bears would be absolute idiots to trade with us no matter what we offered.
'Sell out ...' is very subjective ... there simply might not be a trade into the top three ...
If we don't at least offer a blockbuster deal, we are settling for a distant second tier player.
Outside of the top picks and before round 4, are 2nd tier McCarthy Nix Penix any better than what's available any year?
2023 Levis Hooker
2022 Pickett Willis Ridder Corrall
2021 Fields Jones Trask Mond Mills
Maybe a little, not sure. It's not a very glamourous list but I really believe the situation has as much to do with it as talent. If you shuffled those picks around, it wouldn't surprise me to see Fields or Levis or Pickett show more in a different situation.
If that's all we can get our hands on ... ok then ... but at least tell me you went above and beyond, you scratched and clawed ...
If we are going to draft a QB somewhere between the #10 pick and the end of the third round ... I would be picking one of those guys every year until one starts killing off the others and takes over like the penned up velociraptor in Jurassic Park.
Not sure why we are waiting for year three to start sorting through this.

Because the Wilfs only care about getting fanboys to dump money into seats and merch and concessions..

It certainly feels like a business venture, on their part.
I wonder if they would own the team differently if we were the Giants ...
be more hands on, frantic to win ... as true fans of the team ...

I agree 100% on 100% of both Dan and Tom's comments.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Came across this little nugget that makes you want to vomit knowing they want him back. Thank God we can't afford him.


With the Minnesota Vikings from 2018-22, Kirk Cousins was 10-24 (.294) against winning teams as the starting quarterback.

That's pretty incredible when you think about it. It's not like he was a rookie picked up by a bottom feeder. That would make sense.

He took over a very talented team that was in the NFCCG.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Came across this little nugget that makes you want to vomit knowing they want him back. Thank God we can't afford him.


With the Minnesota Vikings from 2018-22, Kirk Cousins was 10-24 (.294) against winning teams as the starting quarterback.

That's pretty incredible when you think about it. It's not like he was a rookie picked up by a bottom feeder. That would make sense.

He took over a very talented team that was in the NFCCG.

What's worse, he was paid the big bucks to lead the team in those games. He just didn't get the memo.

He's around .250 for his career.

But... going into his 13th year, just think what could be!