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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 5:25:40 PM

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I finde it strange SF didn't draft a DTR instead of bringing in Darnold as the 2nd string....

Most teams prefer the #2 qb to have some game exp.

DTR is better than Darnold already from what I saw.

It's kind of like us with Sean Mannion. Coaches like a veteran holding the clipboard that can add their 2 cents in and help the starter. Not saying I agree with it.

I'd prefer to hire a (recently?) retired QB as an assistant coach instead of wasting a very important roster spot on it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 5:36:15 PM

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BTW, how long is a competitive rebuild supposed to last, and how far along are things?

Is anyone on D talented enough to worry a DC? Someone on the DL? At LB? DB? Lots of new faces suggests it is another "we have to see what we have" year.

So it's laughable reading Cousins is the best bet to take us to the promised land. Well, that is technically true, especially for now. He may be the best out of no alternatives, but that doesn't mean he is the guy that can or will do it.

Good question. The Seahawks have been doing what could be described as a competitive rebuild for the 6-8 years. Last SB appearance was 2015. They have made the playoffs fairly regualrily as a one and done wildcard.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 5:44:52 PM

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Id like to think, unlike many, Kirk got better and is going to get better yet going forward. Theres lots of talk about his past like he hasnt got any better since year 5.
Pretty sure he works pretty hard at improving his game. We should have a better team than last year, better than anything Zim did for him, so let's see where it takes us.
Be interesting to see what promises the fan base will make this year. "If only ..."

It's totally possible.

But probably unlikely at age 35 and going into his 12th year (9th as a starter) that he has much untapped upside.

Im not so sure. One of his last press conf he talked about facing Phillys last year's DC at these team practices. Talked about how he recognized something out of 0 from playing Philly last year and ended up having to throw it away in the game. This time he hit the TE and even after that went looking for a better option yet on the tape.
Yes thats just one example. But its an example from having the same OC and im sure its not the only thing he's improved on.
Im trying to be optimistic here. Sports sometimes rewards people who put in the time. And sometimes it doesnt. We'll see soon enough

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 5:56:02 PM

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Strange that 'One playoff win in 11 years' Cousins is so good yet his contract was not extended. Maybe not so strange considering that happened to him in Washington as well. Fool's gold.

"...Kirk will be back. Not because of JJ..." More like Kirk will not be back because of JJ. 30 million reasons a year help explain why. JJ, Darrisaw, O'Neill, Hock, + dead cap will result in having to go with a high pick at QB.

I'll believe it when I see it. If I had seen any real effort on the future of the position in two years ... I would buy in.

No, I have no clue what that effort would have looked like.

But it feels like we are tidying up the pantry before remodeling the kitchen, instead of the reverse.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 6:06:21 PM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 6:12:03 PM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 11:17:05 PM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career. In 3 years Hall might be ready and it's a seamless transition.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/28/2023 11:45:18 PM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 2:53:15 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 8:42:53 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:02:06 AM

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:08:48 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

Lots of spitballs and maybes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:15:19 AM

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For what it's worth... And I'm talking a great big FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH here... I'm not saying the quality of QB doesn't matter in terms of a WRs success. But let's look at some history.

In 2008 and 2009 Larry Fitzgerald had Kurt Warner as his QB and he caught 96 for 1431 yards and 12 TDs in 2008 and 97 for 1092 yards and 13 TDs in 2009.

In 2010 he had a combo of Derek Anderson, John Skelton, and Max Hall as QB. He caught 90 for 1137 yards and 6 TDs.

In 2011 he had a combo of Keven Kolb and John Skelton as QB. He caught 80 for 1411 yards and 8 TDs.

Clearly it was best to have a hall of fame QB but when it was a pile of garbage-nobodies he still put up big (yet not his very best) numbers. It should go without saying but I'll say it anyway - Kirk Cousins is no Kurt Warner.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:18:09 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

Lots of spitballs and maybes.

Gzuz Phil that was intentional to make a point.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:37:38 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

Lots of spitballs and maybes.

Gzuz Phil that was intentional to make a point.

The thing is Tom you are totally missing the point that Kirk is the most likely QB to bring team success to JJ as well as the inflated stats. The best of both worlds. He led a team with the 31st ranked defense to a 13-4 record. That is virtually miraculous. I believe we have a great chance to dramatically improve the defense and with the addition of Addison the offense as good as it was will be even better. He finally has a coach that he meshes with. Kirk is the answer not some pie in the Faerie mist draft pick.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:40:28 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

Lots of spitballs and maybes.

Gzuz Phil that was intentional to make a point.

The thing is Tom you are totally missing the point that Kirk is the most likely QB to bring team success to JJ as well as the inflated stats. The best of both worlds. He led a team with the 31st ranked defense to a 13-4 record. That is virtually miraculous. He finally has a coach that he meshes with. Kirk is the answer not some pie in the sky draft pick.

If Kirk is the answer. What is the question?

Which QB will be next to get fans hopes up only to dash them in the most embarassing way?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:42:37 AM

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Arizona going for the biggest tank job since the 76ers made it a religion several years ago.

Can't be more obvious after cutting McCoy. "You mean we could win a couple games with Colt?, get rid of him now!!".

Outside of Mahomes and Burrow I don't see a QB in the league that is 100% slam dunk I would be completely satisfied with. Rodgers would be for 1 year. Lawrence and Herbert I would take long term.

Outside of that the rest have serious question marks surrounding them.

The rest seem of the top shelf QB's seem to be run first or run very aggressively. Which means once their legs give out will that be any good? I think a few of these run first QB's will have a career like many RB. Don't even think about signing them to second contract.

Time will tell, looking forward to the entire NFL season to see how it flushes out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:43:55 AM

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Cousins is the QB this year no matter what. Mullens is here no matter what.

This year at least, Hall is completely insignificant. Much less important than the 1 or 2 players being shuffled on the bottom of the roster and ps before TB.

And that is the sum total of our franchise’s attention to the qb position this offseason.

Very … freakin … disappointing. As much as I want to move past Cousins … I almost WANT Kwesi to extend him … just to show some proactive initiative. As it is, it feels like he is just doggie paddling his way forward.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:44:58 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

Lots of spitballs and maybes.

Gzuz Phil that was intentional to make a point.

The thing is Tom you are totally missing the point that Kirk is the most likely QB to bring team success to JJ as well as the inflated stats. The best of both worlds. He led a team with the 31st ranked defense to a 13-4 record. That is virtually miraculous. He finally has a coach that he meshes with. Kirk is the answer not some pie in the sky draft pick.

If Kirk is the answer. What is the question?

Which QB will be next to get fans hopes up only to dash them in the most embarassing way?

The question is who is the most likely QB to win a Super Bowl for us. The answer is Kirk Cousins.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:49:04 AM

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Report: Vikings, Justin Jefferson camp 'optimistic a huge deal gets done'
Could Jefferson be making as much or more than Kirk Cousins?
JOE NELSON11 MINUTES AGO
Justin Jefferson appears to be on the verge of becoming the richest wide receiver in NFL history as there are now multiple reports saying talks are progressing. The latest comes from Diana Russini of The Athletic, who reported Tuesday that there is optimism for a "huge deal."

"Both sides have traded proposals on the deal. I’m told by a league source conversations are going well but it’s not done yet," writes Russini. "This is all happening while the reigning NFL Offensive Player of the Year has never missed a practice during training camp, all optimistic a huge deal gets done."

Russini's report comes less than 24 hours after Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer said the Vikings are "making an effort" to get Jefferson signed to an extension "before the season starts."

That could mean a Jefferson contract extension could come within two weeks. The Vikings open the 2023-24 regular season on Sunday, Sept. 10 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at U.S. Bank Stadium.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 9:54:13 AM

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Even if we commit to KC for another year or two ... at some point we have to start building the future of the position.

At this point, I'm worried its going to be KC until its not ... and then we start looking hard. That's asking for journeyman hell IMO.

Right.

I don't buy the idea that Kirk and JJ are some kind of package deal.

When JJ is hitting his prime, Kirk is going to be on the wrong side of 40. The timelines don't match up.

JJ's next three years could very easily be the best three of his career. I can't imagine he would be happy wasting them while we are developing a rookie. He's gotten very used to having an ultra accurate QB throwing to him his entire career.

I can't imagine JJ would be happy continuing to tread water with a veteran. That's going to get old real fast if Cousins falls on his face again this year.

I doubt JJ will have any trouble buying into a new situation.

What happens if Cousins ends the season successfully? Its far-fetched but anything is possible.

We'll cross that make-believe bridge when it materializes out of the faerie mist.

If you think what JJ has been doing so far is treading water wow. What is falling on his face? Cousins led a team with the 31st ranked defense to 13 wins. That is almost statistically impossible. Yeah he had the final play that didn't work out. I guess he fell on his face. After three more years with Cousins maybe Hall is ready. Maybe we've won it all is that what you mean by finishes the season successfully. If we do move on from Cousins next year barring a trade for an established Star QB watch for JJ's numbers to take a significant drop. If we do go for a rookie QB who are we going to get that will not suck for at least a couple years? That is what will materialize out of the faerie mist. A rookie QB who won't suck or Hall being ready to lead the Vikings. That sure would be awesome if Hall does turn out to be the answer. The best possible scenario.

Maybe all JJ cares about is inflated stats. Maybe the competition part of it, being an above average team when it matters ... doesn't matter.

Like you, maybe JJ is more than happy with barely beating bad teams and an occasional iffy Buffalo thrown in. maybe he likes getting dogged by the good teams in the league.

I can't tell you what a different QB option will bring until I know what that option is. But I'll take the drop off in robot accuracy if its for someone who can play with a little creativity and gumption when it matters most.

A brand spanking new baby or marmot or zebra only needs one playoff win to equal Kirk 'the only possible option in the western world' Cousins.

Lots of spitballs and maybes.

Gzuz Phil that was intentional to make a point.

The thing is Tom you are totally missing the point that Kirk is the most likely QB to bring team success to JJ as well as the inflated stats. The best of both worlds. He led a team with the 31st ranked defense to a 13-4 record. That is virtually miraculous. I believe we have a great chance to dramatically improve the defense and with the addition of Addison the offense as good as it was will be even better. He finally has a coach that he meshes with. Kirk is the answer not some pie in the Faerie mist draft pick.

You talk about me missing the point but all you do, all you ever do, is regurgitate your own opinion over and over again, regardless of the response or subject or conversation.

You win, I’m done, move on.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 10:26:37 AM

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Do it!!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 10:28:19 AM

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The #Vikings have received trade interest from other teams around the league for WR Jalen Reagor, per
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Do it!!

"Carolina also acquired preseason standout wide receiver Ihmir Smith-Marsette from the Kansas City Chiefs in a trade that will require an exchange of conditional seventh-round picks in 2025." (espn.com)

We are a hot bed of WR activity. Who knew.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 10:32:08 AM

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Do it!!

"Carolina also acquired preseason standout wide receiver Ihmir Smith-Marsette from the Kansas City Chiefs in a trade that will require an exchange of conditional seventh-round picks in 2025." (espn.com)

We are a hot bed of WR activity. Who knew.

Smith-Marsette positively tore it up this preseason. I watched their most recent game and he looked really good. I understand that the context of preseason makes it meaningless but he killed it all the same. 9 catches for 195 yards and 2 TDs on 10 targets.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/29/2023 10:59:29 AM

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Cousins this and year two that. The fact is Cousins QBR took a dive last year to the lowest it has been since 2014.

Meanwhile JJ is going to bust the $ ceiling for WRs having come off his 47 yard playoff performance. Hock is reportedly looking to bust the $ ceiling for TEs for no legit reason. Darrisaw is gassing up his Brinks trucks.

Conversely, the no-name defense is scrap city.

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