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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 9:59:57 AM

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I think if the Vikings were going to make a trade, signing, or claim before the first game they'd have done it by now. We might be looking at the opening day roster right now.

if we pick up a free agent after the first game of the season, like risner, we don't have to guarantee his salary - some think that we might sign someone during the 2nd week....

Yeah that's why I just said opening day roster. I don't like that thinking. If we want Risner and really thing he'll be good why not sign him now. Who cares if his contract is guaranteed?

Risner still hasn't signed (with another); so maybe he is onboard with the plan?

Vikings have money available for a Risner deal unless it get's front loaded into JJs extension.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 10:07:21 AM

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I think if the Vikings were going to make a trade, signing, or claim before the first game they'd have done it by now. We might be looking at the opening day roster right now.

if we pick up a free agent after the first game of the season, like risner, we don't have to guarantee his salary - some think that we might sign someone during the 2nd week....

Yeah that's why I just said opening day roster. I don't like that thinking. If we want Risner and really thing he'll be good why not sign him now. Who cares if his contract is guaranteed?

Risner still hasn't signed (with another); so maybe he is onboard with the plan?

Vikings have money available for a Risner deal unless it get's front loaded into JJs extension.

A JJ extension doesn't need to cost anything this year; TJ's extension for example helped the cap for this year.

With 14 million in space both can be done.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 10:27:12 AM

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I think if the Vikings were going to make a trade, signing, or claim before the first game they'd have done it by now. We might be looking at the opening day roster right now.

if we pick up a free agent after the first game of the season, like risner, we don't have to guarantee his salary - some think that we might sign someone during the 2nd week....

Yeah that's why I just said opening day roster. I don't like that thinking. If we want Risner and really thing he'll be good why not sign him now. Who cares if his contract is guaranteed?

Risner still hasn't signed (with another); so maybe he is onboard with the plan?

Vikings have money available for a Risner deal unless it get's front loaded into JJs extension.

A JJ extension doesn't need to cost anything this year; TJ's extension for example helped the cap for this year.

With 14 million in space both can be done.

Resetting the TE and WR markets are free this year! Mr. Risner, come on down …

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 10:39:38 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 11:02:16 AM

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I think if the Vikings were going to make a trade, signing, or claim before the first game they'd have done it by now. We might be looking at the opening day roster right now.

if we pick up a free agent after the first game of the season, like risner, we don't have to guarantee his salary - some think that we might sign someone during the 2nd week....

Yeah that's why I just said opening day roster. I don't like that thinking. If we want Risner and really thing he'll be good why not sign him now. Who cares if his contract is guaranteed?

Risner still hasn't signed (with another); so maybe he is onboard with the plan?

Vikings have money available for a Risner deal unless it get's front loaded into JJs extension.

A JJ extension doesn't need to cost anything this year; TJ's extension for example helped the cap for this year.

With 14 million in space both can be done.

I understand that, but it's been speculated they would use that freed up money to Front load Jefferson a bit.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 11:02:48 AM

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I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 11:04:05 AM

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I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

WOW. I didn't recall that one.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 12:30:03 PM

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FYI.. my un ranked picks are in.. in the pool..

Straight run down the list top to bottom, gut feel picks..

I’ll get slaughtered..

Catch up is my name and pick pool is my game..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 7:47:57 PM

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I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

WOW. I didn't recall that one.

I meant 12 players, and it wasn't a pass play, it was a cook run around the right...stop the video at 00:01 seconds and count the bills players - six on the line and six off the line....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCTyOY-Fps

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/5/2023 8:03:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

WOW. I didn't recall that one.

I meant 12 players, and it wasn't a pass play, it was a cook run around the right...stop the video at 00:01 seconds and count the bills players - six on the line and six off the line....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCTyOY-Fps

That extra defender is why they stopped the play so easily. Huge missed call, but to be honest I would almost never catch too many men on the field myself.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 6:04:13 AM

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I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

WOW. I didn't recall that one.

I meant 12 players, and it wasn't a pass play, it was a cook run around the right...stop the video at 00:01 seconds and count the bills players - six on the line and six off the line....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCTyOY-Fps

That extra defender is why they stopped the play so easily. Huge missed call, but to be honest I would almost never catch too many men on the field myself.

if you were a professional NFL referee standing in the backfield, you would/should...o'connell caught it and mentioned it to the officials during the game and after the game to the on-field network commentator....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 7:10:22 AM

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I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

WOW. I didn't recall that one.

I meant 12 players, and it wasn't a pass play, it was a cook run around the right...stop the video at 00:01 seconds and count the bills players - six on the line and six off the line....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCTyOY-Fps

That extra defender is why they stopped the play so easily. Huge missed call, but to be honest I would almost never catch too many men on the field myself.

if you were a professional NFL referee standing in the backfield, you would/should...o'connell caught it and mentioned it to the officials during the game and after the game to the on-field network commentator....

Yep. There are officials whose job includes counting the players before every snap. That play was an epic fail on their part.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 8:00:28 AM

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Sorry if it was already mentioned but is anybody else watching the Dorktown "History of the Minnesota Vikings" on the Secret Base Youtube channel? It's great and sometimes painful (obviously). There has been six episodes so far with eight being the total count when it's done (releases on Tuesdays). Here is the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2aQOZo3EQI&list=PLUXSZMIiUfFSzryyLHHw2Lt1toY7a2TrN&index=14

These guys have some great stuff on their channel.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 8:58:44 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 9:39:08 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

Of course … there is no way to be AS lucky as last year … its nothing to aspire to.

I guess I was trying to say, ‘better to be lucky than good’ was disproved last year. Good luck is fantastic but would rather see some improvement over the course of the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 9:51:28 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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Sorry if it was already mentioned but is anybody else watching the Dorktown "History of the Minnesota Vikings" on the Secret Base Youtube channel? It's great and sometimes painful (obviously). There has been six episodes so far with eight being the total count when it's done (releases on Tuesdays). Here is the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2aQOZo3EQI&list=PLUXSZMIiUfFSzryyLHHw2Lt1toY7a2TrN&index=14

These guys have some great stuff on their channel.

It’s on my list..

Wife is rewatching “once upon a time on the 65”.. and I haven’t wall mounted the bedroom TV yet.. sooo… no….

I don’t know if I can handle reliving the ultimate dissapointments, despite the incredible season.. all for naught.

But I plan on watching it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 9:59:29 AM

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Sorry if it was already mentioned but is anybody else watching the Dorktown "History of the Minnesota Vikings" on the Secret Base Youtube channel? It's great and sometimes painful (obviously). There has been six episodes so far with eight being the total count when it's done (releases on Tuesdays). Here is the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2aQOZo3EQI&list=PLUXSZMIiUfFSzryyLHHw2Lt1toY7a2TrN&index=14

These guys have some great stuff on their channel.

It’s on my list..

Wife is rewatching “once upon a time on the 65”.. and I haven’t wall mounted the bedroom TV yet.. sooo… no….

I don’t know if I can handle reliving the ultimate dissapointments, despite the incredible season.. all for naught.

But I plan on watching it.

Right after you finish QB? <wink>

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 10:06:01 AM

Daniel Lee Young

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Sorry if it was already mentioned but is anybody else watching the Dorktown "History of the Minnesota Vikings" on the Secret Base Youtube channel? It's great and sometimes painful (obviously). There has been six episodes so far with eight being the total count when it's done (releases on Tuesdays). Here is the trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2aQOZo3EQI&list=PLUXSZMIiUfFSzryyLHHw2Lt1toY7a2TrN&index=14

These guys have some great stuff on their channel.

It’s on my list..

Wife is rewatching “once upon a time on the 65”.. and I haven’t wall mounted the bedroom TV yet.. sooo… no….

I don’t know if I can handle reliving the ultimate dissapointments, despite the incredible season.. all for naught.

But I plan on watching it.

Right after you finish QB? <wink>

As if….

I refuse to drink the koolaid..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 10:16:19 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

Of course … there is no way to be AS lucky as last year … its nothing to aspire to.

I guess I was trying to say, ‘better to be lucky than good’ was disproved last year. Good luck is fantastic but would rather see some improvement over the course of the season.

Seems one concern for any season opener is whether a team that had great success the prior year will start with a hangover. That certainly applies to the SB winner but can extend to say the top two teams in the conference or a team that realized it has arrived. Anyway, unless the Vikings players or coaches are delusional there is no way they should be suffering from any success-based hangover.

It would have been different if the team was solid and got lucky in one or two playoff games. But seeing that crap defense turn backup QBs into Pro Bowlers? While we are all fans and want the team to succeed, I found the season to be hollow, almost gimmicky. Yeah, in isolation it was great to see highlights of the wins. Overall though, it was merely a fun story and season for the casual fan.

The Buffalo win probably had real non-Vikings NFL fans examine things a bit closer, but outside of that game they probably considered the team a fraud that would be exposed in the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 10:21:26 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

Of course … there is no way to be AS lucky as last year … its nothing to aspire to.

I guess I was trying to say, ‘better to be lucky than good’ was disproved last year. Good luck is fantastic but would rather see some improvement over the course of the season.

Seems one concern for any season opener is whether a team that had great success the prior year will start with a hangover. That certainly applies to the SB winner but can extend to say the top two teams in the conference or a team that realized it has arrived. Anyway, unless the Vikings players or coaches are delusional there is no way they should be suffering from any success-based hangover.

It would have been different if the team was solid and got lucky in one or two playoff games. But seeing that crap defense turn backup QBs into Pro Bowlers? While we are all fans and want the team to succeed, I found the season to be hollow, almost gimmicky. Yeah, in isolation it was great to see highlights of the wins. Overall though, it was merely a fun story and season for the casual fan.

The Buffalo win probably had real non-Vikings NFL fans examine things a bit closer, but outside of that game they probably considered the team a fraud that would be exposed in the playoffs.

I believe having an aggressive offense and defense will help.....not as worried about Flores dialing it up as KOC; our offense has started slowly many games last year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 10:34:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

Of course … there is no way to be AS lucky as last year … its nothing to aspire to.

I guess I was trying to say, ‘better to be lucky than good’ was disproved last year. Good luck is fantastic but would rather see some improvement over the course of the season.

Seems one concern for any season opener is whether a team that had great success the prior year will start with a hangover. That certainly applies to the SB winner but can extend to say the top two teams in the conference or a team that realized it has arrived. Anyway, unless the Vikings players or coaches are delusional there is no way they should be suffering from any success-based hangover.

It would have been different if the team was solid and got lucky in one or two playoff games. But seeing that crap defense turn backup QBs into Pro Bowlers? While we are all fans and want the team to succeed, I found the season to be hollow, almost gimmicky. Yeah, in isolation it was great to see highlights of the wins. Overall though, it was merely a fun story and season for the casual fan.

The Buffalo win probably had real non-Vikings NFL fans examine things a bit closer, but outside of that game they probably considered the team a fraud that would be exposed in the playoffs.

I believe having an aggressive offense and defense will help.....not as worried about Flores dialing it up as KOC; our offense has started slowly many games last year.

Actually the most troubling part of many games was the third quarter. For at least half the season we had to have been on a record setting pace for offensive ineptitude.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 11:19:09 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

Of course … there is no way to be AS lucky as last year … its nothing to aspire to.

I guess I was trying to say, ‘better to be lucky than good’ was disproved last year. Good luck is fantastic but would rather see some improvement over the course of the season.

Seems one concern for any season opener is whether a team that had great success the prior year will start with a hangover. That certainly applies to the SB winner but can extend to say the top two teams in the conference or a team that realized it has arrived. Anyway, unless the Vikings players or coaches are delusional there is no way they should be suffering from any success-based hangover.

It would have been different if the team was solid and got lucky in one or two playoff games. But seeing that crap defense turn backup QBs into Pro Bowlers? While we are all fans and want the team to succeed, I found the season to be hollow, almost gimmicky. Yeah, in isolation it was great to see highlights of the wins. Overall though, it was merely a fun story and season for the casual fan.

The Buffalo win probably had real non-Vikings NFL fans examine things a bit closer, but outside of that game they probably considered the team a fraud that would be exposed in the playoffs.

I believe having an aggressive offense and defense will help.....not as worried about Flores dialing it up as KOC; our offense has started slowly many games last year.

Actually the most troubling part of many games was the third quarter. For at least half the season we had to have been on a record setting pace for offensive ineptitude.

A lot of the offseason changes and improvements (?) will be blunted a bit if we don't improve our in-game adjustments.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 11:22:44 AM

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2022 3Q scoring:
3, 0, 0, 3, 0, 0, 14 (Ari), 0, 7, 0, 7, 0, 6, 14 (Indy), 0, 0, 7, 7 (NYG playoffs).

An average of 3.8 points. Zero points in 9 games. Less than seven points in 12 games. Through eight games they scored 3 or less seven times.

1Q not much better:
7, 0, 0, 7, 7, 0, 7, 7, 7, 3, 7, 3, 7, 0, 7, 3, 6, 7.

4.7 points average.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 11:26:45 AM

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Looking forward to seeing how far along the def scheme is coming.

Also how the new muscle on offense affects the playcalling.

Wouldn’t mind seeing us retain some of the good ball bounce / luck from last year but wont raise my expectation until I see something better developing on the IOL and DL. Oh and CBs … can we see our CBs in some WR zip codes? Thank you.

Risner I believe would be a very good addition and get me very excited about this offense.

No possible way does the ball bounce and luck continue this year. The Vikings likely were the luckiest team in history last season. It was an incredibly hollow number of wins. I suspected the Giants would beat the Vikes you could see it coming.

Of course … there is no way to be AS lucky as last year … its nothing to aspire to.

I guess I was trying to say, ‘better to be lucky than good’ was disproved last year. Good luck is fantastic but would rather see some improvement over the course of the season.

Seems one concern for any season opener is whether a team that had great success the prior year will start with a hangover. That certainly applies to the SB winner but can extend to say the top two teams in the conference or a team that realized it has arrived. Anyway, unless the Vikings players or coaches are delusional there is no way they should be suffering from any success-based hangover.

It would have been different if the team was solid and got lucky in one or two playoff games. But seeing that crap defense turn backup QBs into Pro Bowlers? While we are all fans and want the team to succeed, I found the season to be hollow, almost gimmicky. Yeah, in isolation it was great to see highlights of the wins. Overall though, it was merely a fun story and season for the casual fan.

The Buffalo win probably had real non-Vikings NFL fans examine things a bit closer, but outside of that game they probably considered the team a fraud that would be exposed in the playoffs.

I believe having an aggressive offense and defense will help.....not as worried about Flores dialing it up as KOC; our offense has started slowly many games last year.

Actually the most troubling part of many games was the third quarter. For at least half the season we had to have been on a record setting pace for offensive ineptitude.

A lot of the offseason changes and improvements (?) will be blunted a bit if we don't improve our in-game adjustments.

Certainly for halftime adjustments. Once read it's difficult to adjust during the game. Not sure how difficult. The 'break' between quarters looked good. Momentum swings seem more obvious... a pick six, timely sack, key player injured, big play by special teams, etc.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/6/2023 11:30:50 AM

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I just watched the last minutes of the 2022 Vikings vs Bills. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW6R-ITG04s
So fun. Remembering that game makes me miss Dalvin Cook, but all in all it's for the best that he's gone.

Thanks KGD. A game for the ages.

I've watched that probably 5-6 times over the last several months...cook played very well on our last couple of drives...and don't forget that the refs screwed us twice in that clip....

That bogus catch during the last drive in regulation. What was the other one?

buffalo had 13 men men on the field when we were knocking on the door inside the 5 yard line...and I don't mean they had a man who didn't get off the field soon enough, I mean they had 13 defenders lined up in position to stop us....

it was the play where cook took a pass in the flat and was tackled for a short loss....

WOW. I didn't recall that one.

I meant 12 players, and it wasn't a pass play, it was a cook run around the right...stop the video at 00:01 seconds and count the bills players - six on the line and six off the line....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkCTyOY-Fps

That extra defender is why they stopped the play so easily. Huge missed call, but to be honest I would almost never catch too many men on the field myself.

if you were a professional NFL referee standing in the backfield, you would/should...o'connell caught it and mentioned it to the officials during the game and after the game to the on-field network commentator....