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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

I would rather we find another way to secure a top pick, and have a superstud like JJ HERE for them to throw to and gain confidence earlier in their career.

Agree 100% but I get the logic. I wouldn't do, that's for sure.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

If they keep playing the way they did this week they may not have to trade much.

9/150....wth are you talking about? JJ made plays all over the field against a top secondary. Do you even know what you are saying?

Then they moved coverage to JJ and Addison and KJ made plays....that is the way it works.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Hell, after yesterday and seeing that we didn't improve (and probably got worse) on the OLine, we might not have to give up much to move up. Our schedule may put us in a big whole quickly.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Hell, after yesterday and seeing that we didn't improve (and probably got worse) on the OLine, we might not have to give up much to move up. Our schedule may put us in a big whole quickly.

The only bright spot other then perhaps Addison, and the continued greatness of JJ (Till he got HT adjusted out of the game)

going forward is that there are truly 6-8 QB’s in college that appear totally legit.

Problem is I’m losing confidence that Kwesi’s analytics will unmask any talent in the draft…

Maybe? I like Addison, but he was simply the last WR left after a run at the position.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

Yes, the idea would be to try to get a king's ransom.

No, you build around a QB.

Franchise him for two more years after no extension? History shows players become disgruntled very quick at the first sign of the franchise tag option.

And the Ponder pick has nothing to do with the 2024 draft regardless of how many times it is repeated.

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ORIGINAL: Kurt B

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Hell, after yesterday and seeing that we didn't improve (and probably got worse) on the OLine, we might not have to give up much to move up. Our schedule may put us in a big whole quickly.

The only bright spot other then perhaps Addison, and the continued greatness of JJ (Till he got HT adjusted out of the game)

going forward is that there are truly 6-8 QB’s in college that appear totally legit.

Problem is I’m losing confidence that Kwesi’s analytics will unmask any talent in the draft…

Maybe? I like Addison, but he was simply the last WR left after a run at the position.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Kurt B

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Hell, after yesterday and seeing that we didn't improve (and probably got worse) on the OLine, we might not have to give up much to move up. Our schedule may put us in a big whole quickly.

The only bright spot other then perhaps Addison, and the continued greatness of JJ (Till he got HT adjusted out of the game)

going forward is that there are truly 6-8 QB’s in college that appear totally legit.

Problem is I’m losing confidence that Kwesi’s analytics will unmask any talent in the draft…

Maybe? I like Addison, but he was simply the last WR left after a run at the position.

My hope there would be that he lets KOC choose. I've lost faith in KAM. Sadly. Addison was a no-brainer that fell in our laps. Still have some concerns about his off field decision making but he's been clean after the dumb driving incident but his talent is great. However:

Cine (and trading back to take him instead of grabbing a better S)
Ingram
Booth
CJ Ham extention
Not taking another interior lineman for comp whether it's Draft or FA
Giving Hock a top 3 TE extension

If he were the Giants GM he too would have extended Jones

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

To me the blueprint (that i'm sure most team already knew) was cemented yesterday. Blitz us up the middle and we are screwed. How does KOC counter that will be the key to the season moving forward. He's gonna get a big test on Thursday. I'm curious/frightned and excited to see how he does.

I'll say this too. The D did better than I thought they would. I was concerned about our lack of size but encouraged by the upgrade at speed. We got worn down at in the 4th but held up well overall. If the offense did what it was supposed to do, it would be something to work on, but not the reason we lost.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

To me the blueprint (that i'm sure most team already knew) was cemented yesterday. Blitz us up the middle and we are screwed. How does KOC counter that will be the key to the season moving forward. He's gonna get a big test on Thursday. I'm curious/frightned and excited to see how he does.

I'll say this too. The D did better than I thought they would. I was concerned about our lack of size but encouraged by the upgrade at speed. We got worn down at in the 4th but held up well overall. If the offense did what it was supposed to do, it would be something to work on, but not the reason we lost.

I'm not sold yet.

Mayfield was atrocious though most of the first half, and he missed at least two TD throws. But we let him get comfortable and he found a groove in the 2nd half.

I also hate the 3 man rush - especially with our 3 men. On 3rd and 8 type of plays, you can't give a QB that much time to find someone.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

If they keep playing the way they did this week they may not have to trade much.

9/150....wth are you talking about? JJ made plays all over the field against a top secondary. Do you even know what you are saying?

Then they moved coverage to JJ and Addison and KJ made plays....that is the way it works.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Blackmon had 1 tackle and was in good position on a throw (not credited with a PD) in his 15 defensive snaps.

It was a nice start, but "making plays all over the field" is a wild exaggeration.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

If they keep playing the way they did this week they may not have to trade much.

9/150....wth are you talking about? JJ made plays all over the field against a top secondary. Do you even know what you are saying?

Then they moved coverage to JJ and Addison and KJ made plays....that is the way it works.

You certainly don't have your facts straight.

Addison and KJ did NOT make plays during the second half in which JJ was invisible.

Addison had one catch, no scores.
KJ had one catch, no scores.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

To me the blueprint (that i'm sure most team already knew) was cemented yesterday. Blitz us up the middle and we are screwed. How does KOC counter that will be the key to the season moving forward. He's gonna get a big test on Thursday. I'm curious/frightned and excited to see how he does.

I'll say this too. The D did better than I thought they would. I was concerned about our lack of size but encouraged by the upgrade at speed. We got worn down at in the 4th but held up well overall. If the offense did what it was supposed to do, it would be something to work on, but not the reason we lost.

I'm not sold yet.

Mayfield was atrocious though most of the first half, and he missed at least two TD throws. But we let him get comfortable and he found a groove in the 2nd half.

I also hate the 3 man rush - especially with our 3 men. On 3rd and 8 type of plays, you can't give a QB that much time to find someone.

I point to how horrible Mayfield is on the Godwin catch on the game ending first down.....horrific throw to a wide open WR. Godwin had to make an incredible catch on a basic out route.
Our Defense will be a work in progress.....TB is not a great offense. No threat at RB or TE.

Blackmon and Pace made a ton of plays and even Hicks played faster then I ever remember last year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Tyreke Hill. 111 yards in the second half. 2 TDs in the second half, including the go-ahead score with 1:45 left in the game.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

Yes, the idea would be to try to get a king's ransom.

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Except no one would give us what he is truly worth. No good player would ever want to sign here again either if that's how you treat your best player. If we were to try to trade him now, everyone would assume primmadonna and not give us what he is truly worth. and then all you super, exceptional, highly critical GM wannabes would criticize KAM for what he got.

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No, you build around a QB.

You build around TALENT. JJ would make any young QB look better. without him, a rookie would probably look like a wasted pick.

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Franchise him for two more years after no extension? History shows players become disgruntled very quick at the first sign of the franchise tag option.

I only point this out because we are in no rush to get him signed. we have options...we can build around him and if a good well Established QB comes available, JJ would make this a VERY enticing place to move to.

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And the Ponder pick has nothing to do with the 2024 draft regardless of how many times it is repeated.

The point you are ignoring is that if we are trading JJ to get a QB we may end up with a terrible reach like Ponder. And the way some of you guys are talking about KAM, He wont be able to make the right pick.

It never fails....Teams get a really good player and someone always pipes in saying "WE SHOULD TRADE HIM FOR PICKS" At some point you need to keep your great players and stop trading them away or letting them go.




IT'S ONE LOSS PEOPLE....LET'S NOT PULL THE PLUG ON OUR SEASON JUST YET

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“There is no hate like Christian love.”

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

It's not "one loss". Is the same exact issues we've been yelling about for years. You keep beating your head against that wall. At some point you may be right, the wall might move out of your way.

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If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year.

Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams

I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen.