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If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year.

Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams

I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen.

Williams won't be the only QB in the draft next year that could turn out to be very good.

Early returns are that it is a very talented college group of QBs this year.

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It's not "one loss". Is the same exact issues we've been yelling about for years. You keep beating your head against that wall. At some point you may be right, the wall might move out of your way.

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It's not "one loss". Is the same exact issues we've been yelling about for years. You keep beating your head against that wall. At some point you may be right, the wall might move out of your way.

Not one team in the NFL is throwing their season in the toilet after losing week one.

Not one.

We shouldn't either.

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JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

Yes, the idea would be to try to get a king's ransom.

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Except no one would give us what he is truly worth. No good player would ever want to sign here again either if that's how you treat your best player. If we were to try to trade him now, everyone would assume primmadonna and not give us what he is truly worth. and then all you super, exceptional, highly critical GM wannabes would criticize KAM for what he got.

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No, you build around a QB.

You build around TALENT. JJ would make any young QB look better. without him, a rookie would probably look like a wasted pick.

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Franchise him for two more years after no extension? History shows players become disgruntled very quick at the first sign of the franchise tag option.

I only point this out because we are in no rush to get him signed. we have options...we can build around him and if a good well Established QB comes available, JJ would make this a VERY enticing place to move to.

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And the Ponder pick has nothing to do with the 2024 draft regardless of how many times it is repeated.

The point you are ignoring is that if we are trading JJ to get a QB we may end up with a terrible reach like Ponder. And the way some of you guys are talking about KAM, He wont be able to make the right pick.

It never fails....Teams get a really good player and someone always pipes in saying "WE SHOULD TRADE HIM FOR PICKS" At some point you need to keep your great players and stop trading them away or letting them go.




IT'S ONE LOSS PEOPLE....LET'S NOT PULL THE PLUG ON OUR SEASON JUST YET

Hey, you brought up the king's ransom.

Outside of a couple of anomalies, you need a QB to build a successful team. A QB, not a WR.

There you go with Ponder again. You do know that GM that drafted him is not even here right? And you can repeat that we might swing and miss but that doesn't make it so because we could hit on the pick.

I'm not advocating JJ be traded, but your reasoning is flawed.

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If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year.

Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams

I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen.

Williams won't be the only QB in the draft next year that could turn out to be very good.

Early returns are that it is a very talented college group of QBs this year.

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If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year.

Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams

I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen.

Williams won't be the only QB in the draft next year that could turn out to be very good.

Early returns are that it is a very talented college group of QBs this year.

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Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

If they keep playing the way they did this week they may not have to trade much.

9/150....wth are you talking about? JJ made plays all over the field against a top secondary. Do you even know what you are saying?

Then they moved coverage to JJ and Addison and KJ made plays....that is the way it works.

You certainly don't have your facts straight.

Addison and KJ did NOT make plays during the second half in which JJ was invisible.

Addison had one catch, no scores.
KJ had one catch, no scores.

True we didn't have the ball but 3 times after half time (I forgot about that)....so the adjustments were earlier.

The passes went to Addison, TJ, KJ, Mattison, and even Oliver as adjustments starting in the 2nd quarter.

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If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year.

Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams

I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen.

Williams won't be the only QB in the draft next year that could turn out to be very good.

Early returns are that it is a very talented college group of QBs this year.

I posted a month ago the regime needs to triple their scouting effort and focus on QB. I'm 100% sure our first pick will be a QB, and he will be throwing to JJ & Co.

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If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year.

Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams

I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen.

Williams won't be the only QB in the draft next year that could turn out to be very good.

Early returns are that it is a very talented college group of QBs this year.

I posted a month ago the regime needs to triple their scouting effort and focus on QB. I'm 100% sure our first pick will be a QB, and he will be throwing to JJ & Co.

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Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has

Very true

I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense.

The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble.

For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see.

How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage.

Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either.

There is no such thing as a QB that doesn't crap his pants under pressure.

Tom Brady did it.

And he's the GOAT

False. Brady processed and got rid of the ball quickly usually. He could also maneuver and climb the pocket. Cousins has zero feel for those things but nice try.

19-0 going into the superbowl and he got totally flustered by the relentless pass rush the Giants sent against him that day.

NOT FALSE.

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Me to. Does anyone on this site actually strongly believe that this Vikings team can win the Super Bowl? I don't so I can't get too upset when they fail. My biggest concern is Kwesi because he will be in charge of selecting the next QB and I for one have zero idea what his plan is in that regard.

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Dalton Risner is ready to join the Vikings if he gets the call.

The 28-year-old guard, who remains a free agent, made that very clear on Sunday. He replied to a bunch of tweets from Vikings fans who were frustrated with their interior offensive line's performance in the season-opening loss to the Buccaneers.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/dalton-risner-ready-join-vikings-if-they-give-him-a-call

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Dalton Risner is ready to join the Vikings if he gets the call.

The 28-year-old guard, who remains a free agent, made that very clear on Sunday. He replied to a bunch of tweets from Vikings fans who were frustrated with their interior offensive line's performance in the season-opening loss to the Buccaneers.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/dalton-risner-ready-join-vikings-if-they-give-him-a-call

Evidently Kwesi is good with 20 straight games of incompetence at RG.