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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 8:51:29 AM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH mostly during the years while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 8:52:46 AM   
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Baldelli dropped an F-bomb while shootin' the $hit with Barreiro on the radio yesterday.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 8:56:28 AM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH primarily while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.


He wasn't a great DH or 1B hitting wise when he moved to that role---take a peak at Justin Mourneau's career stats or Brian Harper's in 1991-92. The answer is very easy.

The reason catchers don't hit as well is they have to catch and get beat up so it is not a valid argument.

You can put a power hitting CJ Cron in at 1b/DH and be in better shape which is exactly what the Twins did after Joe retired.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 9:09:57 AM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH primarily while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.


He wasn't a great DH or 1B hitting wise when he moved to that role---take a peak at Justin Mourneau's career stats or Brian Harper's in 1991-92. The answer is very easy.

The reason catchers don't hit as well is they have to catch and get beat up so it is not a valid argument.

You can put a power hitting CJ Cron in at 1b/DH and be in better shape which is exactly what the Twins did after Joe retired.

Mauer was DH while he was a catcher; not so much while he was a 1B. When he was a 1B, he played the field nearly every day.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 9:42:52 AM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH primarily while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.


He wasn't a great DH or 1B hitting wise when he moved to that role---take a peak at Justin Mourneau's career stats or Brian Harper's in 1991-92. The answer is very easy.

The reason catchers don't hit as well is they have to catch and get beat up so it is not a valid argument.

You can put a power hitting CJ Cron in at 1b/DH and be in better shape which is exactly what the Twins did after Joe retired.

Mauer was DH while he was a catcher; not so much while he was a 1B. When he was a 1B, he played the field nearly every day.


Same thing applies...how many years was he DH/1B? Every team has a 1B or DH that can hit. 91 Twins won the WS and were a tough team to beat because they had a catcher who could hit.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 10:03:46 AM   
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Twins signed Bubba Thompson. Dude can fly around the bases.



If he can only get on them to begin with.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 12:23:13 PM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH primarily while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.


He wasn't a great DH or 1B hitting wise when he moved to that role---take a peak at Justin Mourneau's career stats or Brian Harper's in 1991-92. The answer is very easy.

The reason catchers don't hit as well is they have to catch and get beat up so it is not a valid argument.

You can put a power hitting CJ Cron in at 1b/DH and be in better shape which is exactly what the Twins did after Joe retired.

Mauer was DH while he was a catcher; not so much while he was a 1B. When he was a 1B, he played the field nearly every day.


Same thing applies...how many years was he DH/1B? Every team has a 1B or DH that can hit. 91 Twins won the WS and were a tough team to beat because they had a catcher who could hit.

You just unplanted the goalposts and moved them 500 miles.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/25/2024 4:38:51 PM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH primarily while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.


He wasn't a great DH or 1B hitting wise when he moved to that role---take a peak at Justin Mourneau's career stats or Brian Harper's in 1991-92. The answer is very easy.

The reason catchers don't hit as well is they have to catch and get beat up so it is not a valid argument.

You can put a power hitting CJ Cron in at 1b/DH and be in better shape which is exactly what the Twins did after Joe retired.

Mauer was DH while he was a catcher; not so much while he was a 1B. When he was a 1B, he played the field nearly every day.


Same thing applies...how many years was he DH/1B? Every team has a 1B or DH that can hit. 91 Twins won the WS and were a tough team to beat because they had a catcher who could hit.

You just unplanted the goalposts and moved them 500 miles.

And you expected something different with Phil?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2024 9:21:06 AM   
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https://www.mlb.com/news/hall-of-fame-electees-press-conference-2024

Watch the 3:53 video of Mauer from Cooperstown at this link and tell us what you think.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2024 11:16:37 AM   
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I don't understand the argument against Mauer that he played so many of his games at DH. Yeah, he played DH primarily while he was also the catcher 75% of the time. He was a talented hitter that you couldn't take out of the lineup. That's a PLUS, not a MINUS. So I personally count most of those DH appearances as catching appearances since he was the primary catcher throughout those years. He was a catcher. His career is defined as a catcher.


He wasn't a great DH or 1B hitting wise when he moved to that role---take a peak at Justin Mourneau's career stats or Brian Harper's in 1991-92. The answer is very easy.

The reason catchers don't hit as well is they have to catch and get beat up so it is not a valid argument.

You can put a power hitting CJ Cron in at 1b/DH and be in better shape which is exactly what the Twins did after Joe retired.

Mauer was DH while he was a catcher; not so much while he was a 1B. When he was a 1B, he played the field nearly every day.


Same thing applies...how many years was he DH/1B? Every team has a 1B or DH that can hit. 91 Twins won the WS and were a tough team to beat because they had a catcher who could hit.

You just unplanted the goalposts and moved them 500 miles.


You are trying to somehow suggest Mauer DHed less his last 5-6 years?....I know who is moving goalposts.

Lets take a peak:
Catcher:
04 29
05 116
06 120
07 91
08 139
09 109
10 112
11 52
12 74
13 75
917 Games played at Catcher

DH
04 1
05 13
06 17
07 19
08 5
09 28
10 23
11 14
12 42
13 29
14 19
15 20
16 34
17 13
18 33

310 Games at DH

1B
11 18
12 30
13 8
14 100
15 137
16 95
17 125
18 90

603 Games at 1B.

In Mauers Career he played Catcher in about 50% of the games.....He played DH about the same from 09-18.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2024 11:21:23 AM   
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So almost 200 of his DH appearances were 2013 and earlier, when he was a catcher. Thanks for proving my point, Phil.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2024 11:53:08 AM   
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Polanco scratched from Twinsfest schedule.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2024 1:17:38 PM   
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Stelmaszek and Ryan to HOF

Honoring Ryan for driving post MacPhail twins into the ground then "making them good enough to win the division". Wheee!

Thanks Terry for all those awesome deadline deals to help the twins win in the postseason!

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/26/2024 1:21:37 PM   
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Jimmy Pohlad will be next in the HOF!!

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/27/2024 8:14:55 AM   
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It will never happen, but it's fun to think about.


Unexpected Offseason Trend Re-Opens Questions Surrounding Jhoan Durán

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By Cody Schoenmann

January 17

Could an unexpected offseason trend affect the Twins' bullpen hierarchy (and their starting rotation) in the near future?

In an article published Nov. 20 in the New York Post entitled "Teams turning to their bullpens to solve starter shortage," baseball columnist Joel Sherman wrote: "It is clear teams are going to have to find starters not just everywhere from the Americas to Asia, but also in their own bullpens." What Sherman was alluding to was the then-recent three-year, $30-million deal Reynaldo López signed with the Atlanta Braves. The erstwhile White Sox reliever was going to get a chance to start for Atlanta.

Entering free agency, everyone was under the assumption that López was going to be paid handsomely, but with the anticipation of being a high-leverage set-up man or closer. Interestingly, López isn't a unique case. Last year, former relievers Seth Lugo (San Diego Padres) and Zack Littell (Tampa Bay Rays) were acquired to undergo the same transition. Both were unmitigated success stories, as Lugo earned a three-year, $45-million contract with the Kansas City Royals as a starter, and Littell has become a fixture in the Rays rotation.

This offseason, Michael King, Jordan Hicks, and López (all relievers last season) were either signed or traded for with the intent (or at least the thought) of their becoming full-time starters. Also, A.J. Puk, who earned 15 saves as the Miami Marlins closer last season, is reportedly transitioning to becoming a starter, which is the role he filled coming up through the Oakland Athletics system. With this trend becoming more prevalent every offseason, could the Twins join in on the movement?

At first glance, the Twin who makes the most sense to undergo the same transition is starter-turned-reliever Louie Varland. Unlike the pitchers mentioned above, Varland's transition to reliever was meant to be temporary. The plan was to maximize Varland's fastball (which worked, as his fastball (which traditionally sits around 95.3 MPH) spiked to 100.1 MPH at its peak) and have him operate out of the bullpen as an electric high-leverage arm during the postseason. The plan looked brilliant as Varland struck out one and gave up zero runs over 2/3 innings pitched during the postseason. Still, the long-term plan for the 26-year-old Minnesota native is to have him become a fixture of the team's starting rotation.

More intriguingly, another Twins reliever could attempt to leverage the recent trend around MLB and become a member of the team's rotation: Jhoan Durán. In the past, Durán has expressed a desire to be a starter, which is the role he played until he was on the doorstep of the big leagues in spring 2023. Durán has quickly become one of baseball's best relievers, but would it be in the Twins' best interest to consider transitioning him into becoming a starter? Let's weigh the pros and cons:

Pros
The main argument for turning Durán back into a starting pitcher is that the Twins could use him for more innings. Over the past two seasons, Durán has averaged roughly 65 innings pitched in (primarily) high-leverage relief appearances. In 2023, MLB pitchers averaged 5 1/3 innings per start. Drag that number out over 30 starts, and you get 153 innings. If Durán were to pitch around 153 innings, the quality of his stuff and average velocity on his pitches (most notably his fastball and splinker) would likely diminish in the name of sustainability. Health permitting, however, there is little reason to doubt that Durán would immediately become the Twins' second-best starting pitcher, with the potential to become a bona fide ace.

Durán already has a three-pitch repertoire, including an elite fastball and a curveball and splitter as above-average complementary pitches. He might need to implement a fourth and potentially fifth pitch to become a starter. Because he already has three pitches that move mostly in the vertical plane, it could be in his best interest to implement one of multiple pitches that move to the arm side and/or glove side. Durán's arm-side pitch would likely be a more traditional changeup, or a variation on his splitter that involves a bit less velocity and a bit more pronation; his glove-side pitch would likely be a sweeper. Though it is hard to know what Durán would add in this hypothetical situation, it is fair to assume whichever pitch he and the Twins coaching staff elected to implement would suffice.

Admittedly, Durán struggled as a starting pitcher in the Diamondbacks and Twins minor leagues, but his last relevant season as a starter came in 2019. Since that time, the 26-year-old has been able to sufficiently improve his command and secondary pitches, while seemingly mitigating (if not entirely erasing) any genuine concern over a significant injury taking place. Much of Durán's good bill of health is likely due to him only throwing around 65 innings per year. Yet, although there is sufficient reason to be skeptical, he has earned the benefit of the doubt when speculating whether his favorable health status would be sustainable if pushed to five or six innings per appearance.

Cons
Though he isn't in the same tier as the best relievers in the game (like Félix Bautista, Devin Williams, or Josh Hader), Durán has quickly become one of the best second-tier closers in MLB alongside Emmanuel Clase, David Bednar, and Camilo Doval. If Durán were to transition into a starter, the Twins would be without one of the best relievers in the game, which would significantly hamper the quality of the team's bullpen.

If Durán were to become a reliever, Brock Stewart or Griffin Jax would probably become the team's closer, with Caleb Thielbar, Kody Funderburk, and potentially Varland needing to be the organization's primary high-leverage middle relievers. The construction of the team's high-leverage relievers wouldn't change much, but losing one of the best closers in the game would inevitably diminish the effectiveness of an already middling bullpen. If Durán were to become a starter, the team would need to acquire a different top-tier reliever, which would come at the expense of significant prospect capital or a hefty price tag. Earlier today, Ted Schwerzler suggested one possible solution to that problem, but it also illustrates the cost involved. Would the tradeoff be worth it if Durán became one of the best starters in the Twins' rotation? Presumably so. But if the bullpen were to sink into becoming one of the worst units in the league, what good would a lead through six or seven innings be?

As noted earlier, there is little reason to doubt that Durán's pitch quality and ability to stay healthy would be sustainably sufficient as a starter. Though this is the case, there is still reason to worry about the possibility of Durán struggling to stay healthy and effective as a starter. He excels in one- or two-inning roles, but that is because he can maximize his pitching repertoire while not needing to physically strain himself over multiple innings and 80 or more pitches. Durán's velocity, break, location, and durability would all drop due to being stretched out over more innings. The only question is, how much?

Although the Twins converting Durán into a starting pitcher is highly unlikely, the recent offseason trend of relievers signing as starters and Durán recently expressing a desire to become a starter once again leave the opportunity for a significant transition a still-plausible outcome.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/28/2024 2:54:37 PM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/28/2024 5:07:50 PM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors. He can easily be punted if they need room on the 40 man roster.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/28/2024 5:35:00 PM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?


I’m guessing he comes cheap?
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RE: Twins off-season - 1/28/2024 7:01:10 PM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?


I’m guessing he comes cheap?



Hope

Hope he can reign in his high walk numbers

Just like all these other scrap heap things

Hope someone,as DL noted (CHEAP), they pick up for nothing becomes a contributor.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/29/2024 9:19:57 AM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors. He can easily be punted if they need room on the 40 man roster.

Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaa

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/29/2024 9:37:33 AM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors. He can easily be punted if they need room on the 40 man roster.

Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaa


I don’t think you know what that means…
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RE: Twins off-season - 1/29/2024 9:52:18 AM   
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So almost 200 of his DH appearances were 2013 and earlier, when he was a catcher. Thanks for proving my point, Phil.


& 120 games at DH his last 5 years; 191 games in the first 8 years (since he was hurt 2)....almost exactly the same amount of DH in both. What is your point again?

Mine was that he played DH and 1B as much as Catcher.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/29/2024 9:56:08 AM   
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What do the Twins see in 26 year-old AA reliever Ryan Jensen?

He's a former 1st round pick, who struck out over 10 per 9 innings in the minors. He can easily be punted if they need room on the 40 man roster.

Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaa


I don’t think you know what that means…

He doesn't. I gave a summary of the Twins thought process. Not an endorsement of that process. It's just cheap bastards doing what cheap bastards do.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/29/2024 9:58:29 AM   
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Polanco scratched from Twinsfest schedule.


This could mean something.

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RE: Twins off-season - 1/29/2024 10:00:08 AM   
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Polanco scratched from Twinsfest schedule.


This could mean something.

Thank you. I'm not worthless.

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