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Mayes Pros Big, Strong Arm
Mayes Cons Inaccurate, Folds under pressure

I can see teams back off on him and him sliding to 11.

You keep insisting he's inaccurate, but he has completed 65% of his passes in college, while playing for a crappy team. It's laughable to think he slides to 11. Maybe if 28% of his passes were dumps behind the LOS like Nix, he could get it up to 70%.

If you were watching the analysis of him and actually paying attention every single analyst says he misses several simple automatic completions in most of his games. 65% is about average, but he can't be missing all the simple completions he does. I stand by inaccurate. Nix is just under 78% and when you take away the drops he is at 87%. A lot of easy passes true, but he has very good completion % on intermediate and long throws also. Maye is big and has a crazy strong arm. He is also very young with a good chance to improve. I would take him over Nix based on his age. Him sliding to 11 is certainly possible.

Nix during the season, in the senior bowl sessions and workouts has inexplicably burried wide open throws in the dirt. He still undeniably completed a high percentage of his passes as has Maye. They are both accurate.

Maye sliding to 11? Not a chance.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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Mayes Pros Big, Strong Arm
Mayes Cons Inaccurate, Folds under pressure

I can see teams back off on him and him sliding to 11.

You keep insisting he's inaccurate, but he has completed 65% of his passes in college, while playing for a crappy team. It's laughable to think he slides to 11. Maybe if 28% of his passes were dumps behind the LOS like Nix, he could get it up to 70%.

If you were watching the analysis of him and actually paying attention every single analyst says he misses several simple automatic completions in most of his games. 65% is about average, but he can't be missing all the simple completions he does. I stand by inaccurate. Nix is just under 78% and when you take away the drops he is at 87%. A lot of easy passes true, but he has very good completion % on intermediate and long throws also. Maye is big and has a crazy strong arm. He is also very young with a good chance to improve. I would take him over Nix based on his age. Him sliding to 11 is certainly possible.

Nix during the season, in the senior bowl sessions and workouts has inexplicably burried wide open throws in the dirt. He still undeniably completed a high percentage of his passes as has Maye. They are both accurate.

Maye sliding to 11? Not a chance.

I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Mayes Pros Big, Strong Arm
Mayes Cons Inaccurate, Folds under pressure

I can see teams back off on him and him sliding to 11.

You keep insisting he's inaccurate, but he has completed 65% of his passes in college, while playing for a crappy team. It's laughable to think he slides to 11. Maybe if 28% of his passes were dumps behind the LOS like Nix, he could get it up to 70%.

If you were watching the analysis of him and actually paying attention every single analyst says he misses several simple automatic completions in most of his games. 65% is about average, but he can't be missing all the simple completions he does. I stand by inaccurate. Nix is just under 78% and when you take away the drops he is at 87%. A lot of easy passes true, but he has very good completion % on intermediate and long throws also. Maye is big and has a crazy strong arm. He is also very young with a good chance to improve. I would take him over Nix based on his age. Him sliding to 11 is certainly possible.

Nix during the season, in the senior bowl sessions and workouts has inexplicably burried wide open throws in the dirt. He still undeniably completed a high percentage of his passes as has Maye. They are both accurate.

Maye sliding to 11? Not a chance.

I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Sounds like some very extensive evaluation you put in. The Vikings should hire you. Honestly it seems like a lot of people want to dismiss Nix because he was simply too good.

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I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

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I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Just to beat the Bo Nix topic a little further to death.

Two thirds of his throws were either behind the line of scrimmage (27.6% with a completion % of96%) or 0 to 9 yards (39.4% with a completion % of 83%).

Compare him to McCarthy, who threw 138 fewer passes, but only 9 fewer passes of 20+ yards.

Nix's defenders pooh-pooh the whole ADOT, but look at that stat for the top 6 rated QB.

Michael Penix - 11.3
Drake Maye - 11.0
Jayden Daniels - 10.5
JJ McCarthy - 10.3
Caleb Williams - 9.2
Bo Nix - 6.9 second lowest among all P5 QB

This is more than the scheme. This is Nix being exactly as he is described. He doesn't go through progressions. Either his primary is open or Nix dumps. On the Vikings that's ...JJ is covered, forget Addy or TJ, I'm just dumping to Jones or Chandler.

I'd rather trade up for McCarthy or take Penix at 11.

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Mayes Pros Big, Strong Arm
Mayes Cons Inaccurate, Folds under pressure

I can see teams back off on him and him sliding to 11.

You keep insisting he's inaccurate, but he has completed 65% of his passes in college, while playing for a crappy team. It's laughable to think he slides to 11. Maybe if 28% of his passes were dumps behind the LOS like Nix, he could get it up to 70%.

If you were watching the analysis of him and actually paying attention every single analyst says he misses several simple automatic completions in most of his games. 65% is about average, but he can't be missing all the simple completions he does. I stand by inaccurate. Nix is just under 78% and when you take away the drops he is at 87%. A lot of easy passes true, but he has very good completion % on intermediate and long throws also. Maye is big and has a crazy strong arm. He is also very young with a good chance to improve. I would take him over Nix based on his age. Him sliding to 11 is certainly possible.

Nix during the season, in the senior bowl sessions and workouts has inexplicably burried wide open throws in the dirt. He still undeniably completed a high percentage of his passes as has Maye. They are both accurate.

Maye sliding to 11? Not a chance.

I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Sounds like some very extensive evaluation you put in. The Vikings should hire you. Honestly it seems like a lot of people want to dismiss Nix because he was simply too good.

That's neither honest nor accurate.

Nobody sees Nix as too good at anything. He's a good prospect like McCarthy and Penix.

What he brings to the table is a mid-first rd to early second rd grade.

Where he gets drafted depends on the desperation of teams and the premium on the position.

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I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Just to beat the Bo Nix topic a little further to death.

Two thirds of his throws were either behind the line of scrimmage (27.6% with a completion % of96%) or 0 to 9 yards (39.4% with a completion % of 83%).

Compare him to McCarthy, who threw 138 fewer passes, but only 9 fewer passes of 20+ yards.

Nix's defenders pooh-pooh the whole ADOT, but look at that stat for the top 6 rated QB.

Michael Penix - 11.3
Drake Maye - 11.0
Jayden Daniels - 10.5
JJ McCarthy - 10.3
Caleb Williams - 9.2
Bo Nix - 6.9 second lowest among all P5 QB

This is more than the scheme. This is Nix being exactly as he is described. He doesn't go through progressions. Either his primary is open or Nix dumps. On the Vikings that's ...JJ is covered, forget Addy or TJ, I'm just dumping to Jones or Chandler.

I'd rather trade up for McCarthy or take Penix at 11.

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I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Just to beat the Bo Nix topic a little further to death.

Two thirds of his throws were either behind the line of scrimmage (27.6% with a completion % of96%) or 0 to 9 yards (39.4% with a completion % of 83%).

Compare him to McCarthy, who threw 138 fewer passes, but only 9 fewer passes of 20+ yards.

Nix's defenders pooh-pooh the whole ADOT, but look at that stat for the top 6 rated QB.

Michael Penix - 11.3
Drake Maye - 11.0
Jayden Daniels - 10.5
JJ McCarthy - 10.3
Caleb Williams - 9.2
Bo Nix - 6.9 second lowest among all P5 QB

This is more than the scheme. This is Nix being exactly as he is described. He doesn't go through progressions. Either his primary is open or Nix dumps. On the Vikings that's ...JJ is covered, forget Addy or TJ, I'm just dumping to Jones or Chandler.

I'd rather trade up for McCarthy or take Penix at 11.

I'd like to say Penix has the best arm period of the top six prospects, the zip unbelievable, but it seems a little too one dimensional to me for the pros, like he's only got a driver and some woods in his bag. Plus the injury concern. A solid pick in the mid to late first rd. IMO

Nix reminds me of Mayfield last year. Leader, competitive, experienced, does a good job in the short game, not great arm strength but he has more than enough with a hell of a lot more touch than Penix. More effective as a runner than Penix. But doesn't bring anything unique that the other 5 don't have. A solid pick in the mid to late first rd. IMO

McCarthy may be a little better than either Penix or Nix but not by much. I think winning the championship (he was not a driving force, more about being along for the ride) has pushed him up more than revelations about his ability during the draft process. He's no stumbler ... seems like he plays within himself (except for that first pass against ALA) – his hs / college record is phenomenal. Because he's a bit of a mystery, I see why people have been over-analyzing him in the draft process and repositioning him more than the others.

I don't really care at this point. I refuse to jump on a favorite horse or rule others out.

As long as we get one in our system and go from there. If the worst possible scenario evolved and our evaluation got us up to #4 for Nix ... which would have people absolutely flipping out ... I'd question the decision but wait to see him play for us before truly judging. He hasn't earned it but I'm giving Kwesi a flyer on this one if he at least does the right thing.

The only thing I won't tolerate is NOT taking one of the top six QBs.

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Mayes Pros Big, Strong Arm
Mayes Cons Inaccurate, Folds under pressure

I can see teams back off on him and him sliding to 11.

You keep insisting he's inaccurate, but he has completed 65% of his passes in college, while playing for a crappy team. It's laughable to think he slides to 11. Maybe if 28% of his passes were dumps behind the LOS like Nix, he could get it up to 70%.

If you were watching the analysis of him and actually paying attention every single analyst says he misses several simple automatic completions in most of his games. 65% is about average, but he can't be missing all the simple completions he does. I stand by inaccurate. Nix is just under 78% and when you take away the drops he is at 87%. A lot of easy passes true, but he has very good completion % on intermediate and long throws also. Maye is big and has a crazy strong arm. He is also very young with a good chance to improve. I would take him over Nix based on his age. Him sliding to 11 is certainly possible.

Nix during the season, in the senior bowl sessions and workouts has inexplicably burried wide open throws in the dirt. He still undeniably completed a high percentage of his passes as has Maye. They are both accurate.

Maye sliding to 11? Not a chance.

I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Sounds like some very extensive evaluation you put in. The Vikings should hire you. Honestly it seems like a lot of people want to dismiss Nix because he was simply too good.

That's neither honest nor accurate.

Nobody sees Nix as too good at anything. He's a good prospect like McCarthy and Penix.

What he brings to the table is a mid-first rd to early second rd grade.

Where he gets drafted depends on the desperation of teams and the premium on the position.

You can't read my mind so quit trying. I was being 100% honest and accurate.
I was going for something deep with the too good comment. His stats were ridiculously good. I mean video game good. Many people seeing something like that want to cut the person down. You get total BS like Noodle arm being parroted by people who don't have a clue.

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Mayes Pros Big, Strong Arm
Mayes Cons Inaccurate, Folds under pressure

I can see teams back off on him and him sliding to 11.

You keep insisting he's inaccurate, but he has completed 65% of his passes in college, while playing for a crappy team. It's laughable to think he slides to 11. Maybe if 28% of his passes were dumps behind the LOS like Nix, he could get it up to 70%.

If you were watching the analysis of him and actually paying attention every single analyst says he misses several simple automatic completions in most of his games. 65% is about average, but he can't be missing all the simple completions he does. I stand by inaccurate. Nix is just under 78% and when you take away the drops he is at 87%. A lot of easy passes true, but he has very good completion % on intermediate and long throws also. Maye is big and has a crazy strong arm. He is also very young with a good chance to improve. I would take him over Nix based on his age. Him sliding to 11 is certainly possible.

Nix during the season, in the senior bowl sessions and workouts has inexplicably burried wide open throws in the dirt. He still undeniably completed a high percentage of his passes as has Maye. They are both accurate.

Maye sliding to 11? Not a chance.

I've said "no" on Nix since the middle of the season. Turned on the combine and it happened to be the QB day where they were throwing. The drill was a 15 yard fade in the EZ. Nix steos in and promptly throws it out of the back of the EZ. I laughed and turned it off.

Sounds like some very extensive evaluation you put in. The Vikings should hire you. Honestly it seems like a lot of people want to dismiss Nix because he was simply too good.

That's neither honest nor accurate.

Nobody sees Nix as too good at anything. He's a good prospect like McCarthy and Penix.

What he brings to the table is a mid-first rd to early second rd grade.

Where he gets drafted depends on the desperation of teams and the premium on the position.

You can't read my mind so quit trying. I was being 100% honest and accurate.
I was going for something deep with the too good comment. His stats were ridiculously good. I mean video game good. Many people seeing something like that want to cut the person down. You get total BS like Noodle arm being parroted by people who don't have a clue.

Has nothing to do with reading your mind.

Has nothing to do with lying or sincerity.

Honest as in not a true reading of the commentary. I haven't read anybody expressing what you say they are.

This is just you trying to twist other people's comments to fit your argument.

You're the only person claiming a prospect is too good at something, runs a system perfectly., etc.

Nobody does that on any level.

Not Nix, not the 4 or 5 QB prospects better than Nix in this draft either.

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What was Tom Brady's ADOT in college ?

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What was Tom Brady's ADOT in college ?

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The ADOT thing is him running his coaches offense to perfection.

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What was Tom Brady's ADOT in college ?

Why does it matter?

How does using the greatest anomaly in NFL history as a comparison tell you anything?