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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Alright. Back to Penix at 11.

What’s the bigger risk? The bust rate of QB’s tied to the cost of moving up, or Penix staying healthy?

I wouldn't even take Penix at 23. Trade back from that spot and he'll still be there in the second round.

Anything can happen, but I'm pretty sure Penix doesn't last past pick 13.

In this scenario I think he does. Remember, that means the Vikings don't jump up for McCarthy. That means Denver and Las Vegas grab McCarthy and Nix. Who does that leave to reach for a QB?

Big assumptions. If that happened I could see the giants, saints, seahawks, jumping 23 to take him ahead of us.

I don't see anybody spending extra draft capital just to get Penix. There are serious questions about his performance when the pocket gets crowded and his abilities to make plays outside the pocket. He is also the big arm with everything being a 4 seam fastball.

We disagree. Penix has great touch on his passes.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

McCarthy is Jim Harbaugh II. He'll play hard. He'll be tough. He just won't be a great pro, IMO.

I have always thought the same thing of McCarthy. Comes from a running offense (which is considered unconventional in 2024). Always had better athletes around him than the teams he played. Rarely played from behind (limiting his two-minute experience).

Mac Jones comes to mind. Stetson Bennett comes to mind. At-best he should be a late-first, early second rounder (which is where he was rated after the season). He has climbed up the draft boards for two reasons. 1) There is a great need for a quarterback in the 2024 draft 2) He looked good in gym shorts at the combine

In his final two seasons at Michigan:

Harbaugh had a 157.0 and 163.7 passer rating
McCarthy had a 167.4 and 155.0 passer rating

Heisman voting, Harbaugh 3rd and McCarthy 10th (McCarthy received one first place vote out of close to 900, and didn't even finish in the top-4 in his own region).

Harbaugh was drafted 26th overall

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

McCarthy is Jim Harbaugh II. He'll play hard. He'll be tough. He just won't be a great pro, IMO.

I have always thought the same thing of McCarthy. Comes from a running offense (which is considered unconventional in 2024). Always had better athletes around him than the teams he played. Rarely played from behind (limiting his two-minute experience).

Mac Jones comes to mind. Stetson Bennett comes to mind. At-best he should be a late-first, early second rounder (which is where he was rated after the season). He has climbed up the draft boards for two reasons. 1) There is a great need for a quarterback in the 2024 draft 2) He looked good in gym shorts at the combine

In his final two seasons at Michigan:

Harbaugh had a 157.0 and 163.7 passer rating
McCarthy had a 167.4 and 155.0 passer rating

Heisman voting, Harbaugh 3rd and McCarthy 10th (McCarthy received one first place vote out of close to 900, and didn't even finish in the top-4 in his own region).

Harbaugh was drafted 26th overall

I am now really ok at spending all resources necessary on McCarthy.....Brad has struggled on his QB analysis TBH.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

McCarthy is Jim Harbaugh II. He'll play hard. He'll be tough. He just won't be a great pro, IMO.

I have always thought the same thing of McCarthy. Comes from a running offense (which is considered unconventional in 2024). Always had better athletes around him than the teams he played. Rarely played from behind (limiting his two-minute experience).

Mac Jones comes to mind. Stetson Bennett comes to mind. At-best he should be a late-first, early second rounder (which is where he was rated after the season). He has climbed up the draft boards for two reasons. 1) There is a great need for a quarterback in the 2024 draft 2) He looked good in gym shorts at the combine

In his final two seasons at Michigan:

Harbaugh had a 157.0 and 163.7 passer rating
McCarthy had a 167.4 and 155.0 passer rating

Heisman voting, Harbaugh 3rd and McCarthy 10th (McCarthy received one first place vote out of close to 900, and didn't even finish in the top-4 in his own region).

Harbaugh was drafted 26th overall

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

McCarthy is Jim Harbaugh II. He'll play hard. He'll be tough. He just won't be a great pro, IMO.

I have always thought the same thing of McCarthy. Comes from a running offense (which is considered unconventional in 2024). Always had better athletes around him than the teams he played. Rarely played from behind (limiting his two-minute experience).

Mac Jones comes to mind. Stetson Bennett comes to mind. At-best he should be a late-first, early second rounder (which is where he was rated after the season). He has climbed up the draft boards for two reasons. 1) There is a great need for a quarterback in the 2024 draft 2) He looked good in gym shorts at the combine

In his final two seasons at Michigan:

Harbaugh had a 157.0 and 163.7 passer rating
McCarthy had a 167.4 and 155.0 passer rating

Heisman voting, Harbaugh 3rd and McCarthy 10th (McCarthy received one first place vote out of close to 900, and didn't even finish in the top-4 in his own region).

Harbaugh was drafted 26th overall

I am now really ok at spending all resources necessary on McCarthy.....Brad has struggled on his QB analysis TBH.

When? Or are you just going to make something up again? Or are we going to go back to 2007 when I had some nice things to say about Colt Brennan?

I've been saying for five years that Cousins isn't a winner. Been right for five years.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

McCarthy is Jim Harbaugh II. He'll play hard. He'll be tough. He just won't be a great pro, IMO.

I have always thought the same thing of McCarthy. Comes from a running offense (which is considered unconventional in 2024). Always had better athletes around him than the teams he played. Rarely played from behind (limiting his two-minute experience).

Mac Jones comes to mind. Stetson Bennett comes to mind. At-best he should be a late-first, early second rounder (which is where he was rated after the season). He has climbed up the draft boards for two reasons. 1) There is a great need for a quarterback in the 2024 draft 2) He looked good in gym shorts at the combine

In his final two seasons at Michigan:

Harbaugh had a 157.0 and 163.7 passer rating
McCarthy had a 167.4 and 155.0 passer rating

Heisman voting, Harbaugh 3rd and McCarthy 10th (McCarthy received one first place vote out of close to 900, and didn't even finish in the top-4 in his own region).

Harbaugh was drafted 26th overall

I am now really ok at spending all resources necessary on McCarthy.....Brad has struggled on his QB analysis TBH.

When? Or are you just going to make something up again? Or are we going to go back to 2007 when I had some nice things to say about Colt Brennan?

I've been saying for five years that Cousins isn't a winner. Been right for five years.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: kgdabom

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

2023

McCarthy attempts: 332 (a paltry 10-18 in the championship game)
Vikings attempts: 631

People love fanciful projections. Like some of these new FAs not only playing full seasons, matching snap counts, etc. but being productive all the while.

He ompleted 72% of his passes against the toughest defensive schedule of any QB in this draft. And he did playing in a west coast NFL offense, not one of these Air Raid / Spread college offenses that exploit college hashmarks to create high percentage short passes like a couple of other QB in the top 6.

I like McCarthy. I won't be suicidal if we trade up for him using not one iota more than picks 11 and 23.

McCarthy is Jim Harbaugh II. He'll play hard. He'll be tough. He just won't be a great pro, IMO.

I have always thought the same thing of McCarthy. Comes from a running offense (which is considered unconventional in 2024). Always had better athletes around him than the teams he played. Rarely played from behind (limiting his two-minute experience).

Mac Jones comes to mind. Stetson Bennett comes to mind. At-best he should be a late-first, early second rounder (which is where he was rated after the season). He has climbed up the draft boards for two reasons. 1) There is a great need for a quarterback in the 2024 draft 2) He looked good in gym shorts at the combine

In his final two seasons at Michigan:

Harbaugh had a 157.0 and 163.7 passer rating
McCarthy had a 167.4 and 155.0 passer rating

Heisman voting, Harbaugh 3rd and McCarthy 10th (McCarthy received one first place vote out of close to 900, and didn't even finish in the top-4 in his own region).

Harbaugh was drafted 26th overall

I am now really ok at spending all resources necessary on McCarthy.....Brad has struggled on his QB analysis TBH.

When? Or are you just going to make something up again? Or are we going to go back to 2007 when I had some nice things to say about Colt Brennan?

I've been saying for five years that Cousins isn't a winner. Been right for five years.

A key to a successful and rewarding life is to think the opposite of what he thinks

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If Daniels gets to 3 he’s the big prize. The only one I want to make a big move for.

Depending on 2 teams to make moves in our favor.

Otherwise I like Tim’s plan.

offer washington 11, 23, and two 1sts - '25 and '26 - and they kick back a 2nd in '26...or they don't kick back a 2nd...just get daniels....

in my experience, people don't regret spending more for quality, but they do regret spending less for inferior....

daniels is the man, go get him....

Four 1st round picks for a guy who could easily end up being the next Justin Fields?
I wouldn't do it.

It would have to be a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck type prospect for me to even consider it.

If he falls to you... sure.
But unless you grade him as MILES above the other 4-5 qbs in this draft... I'd say that is a bad decision.

of course, one of the prerequisites for the four 1st rounders would be that O'Connell is very, very high on the quarterback...

First of all, Williams doesn't even come close to the same fanfare as Manning Luck, much less the other guys. Is Williams even as highly touted as Lawrence. Maybe.

And what qualifies O'Connell as such a good judge of college QB talent?

As WASH OC in 2019, they drafted Haskins. As Vikings HC, they drafted Hall. That's it for QBs associated with his different stops as a coach.

But wait. Its not just his decision ... 3D chess-draft grandmaster Kwesi is also involved.

The only two QBs associated with Kwesi tenures were Beathard by the 49ers (2017) [when he was more of a cap / contract guy] and Hall las year.

So howsa bout we don't sink 4 first rd picks on a wild hair by Kevin or Kwesi?

Right. O'Connell this and O'Connell that as if he is some kind of QB guru.

What's the hoopla about his scheme being such a good fit? Is it being among the league leaders in pass attempts (3rd in 2022, 4th in 2023)? McCarthy's head will be spinning with that workload. It's less scheme and more about the good targets.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If Daniels gets to 3 he’s the big prize. The only one I want to make a big move for.

Depending on 2 teams to make moves in our favor.

Otherwise I like Tim’s plan.

offer washington 11, 23, and two 1sts - '25 and '26 - and they kick back a 2nd in '26...or they don't kick back a 2nd...just get daniels....

in my experience, people don't regret spending more for quality, but they do regret spending less for inferior....

daniels is the man, go get him....

Four 1st round picks for a guy who could easily end up being the next Justin Fields?
I wouldn't do it.

It would have to be a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck type prospect for me to even consider it.

If he falls to you... sure.
But unless you grade him as MILES above the other 4-5 qbs in this draft... I'd say that is a bad decision.

of course, one of the prerequisites for the four 1st rounders would be that O'Connell is very, very high on the quarterback...

First of all, Williams doesn't even come close to the same fanfare as Manning Luck, much less the other guys. Is Williams even as highly touted as Lawrence. Maybe.

And what qualifies O'Connell as such a good judge of college QB talent?

As WASH OC in 2019, they drafted Haskins. As Vikings HC, they drafted Hall. That's it for QBs associated with his different stops as a coach.

But wait. Its not just his decision ... 3D chess-draft grandmaster Kwesi is also involved.

The only two QBs associated with Kwesi tenures were Beathard by the 49ers (2017) [when he was more of a cap / contract guy] and Hall las year.

So howsa bout we don't sink 4 first rd picks on a wild hair by Kevin or Kwesi?

Right. O'Connell this and O'Connell that as if he is some kind of QB guru.

What's the hoopla about his scheme being such a good fit? Is it being among the league leaders in pass attempts (3rd in 2022, 4th in 2023)? McCarthy's head will be spinning with that workload. It's less scheme and more about the good targets.

All the talking heads seem to praise O'Connell as some mastermind play caller. Have they ever watched a Viking game. Personally I don't see it. I see a guy that abandons the run almost immediately and an extremely piss poor screen game.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

quote:

ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If Daniels gets to 3 he’s the big prize. The only one I want to make a big move for.

Depending on 2 teams to make moves in our favor.

Otherwise I like Tim’s plan.

offer washington 11, 23, and two 1sts - '25 and '26 - and they kick back a 2nd in '26...or they don't kick back a 2nd...just get daniels....

in my experience, people don't regret spending more for quality, but they do regret spending less for inferior....

daniels is the man, go get him....

Four 1st round picks for a guy who could easily end up being the next Justin Fields?
I wouldn't do it.

It would have to be a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck type prospect for me to even consider it.

If he falls to you... sure.
But unless you grade him as MILES above the other 4-5 qbs in this draft... I'd say that is a bad decision.

of course, one of the prerequisites for the four 1st rounders would be that O'Connell is very, very high on the quarterback...

First of all, Williams doesn't even come close to the same fanfare as Manning Luck, much less the other guys. Is Williams even as highly touted as Lawrence. Maybe.

And what qualifies O'Connell as such a good judge of college QB talent?

As WASH OC in 2019, they drafted Haskins. As Vikings HC, they drafted Hall. That's it for QBs associated with his different stops as a coach.

But wait. Its not just his decision ... 3D chess-draft grandmaster Kwesi is also involved.

The only two QBs associated with Kwesi tenures were Beathard by the 49ers (2017) [when he was more of a cap / contract guy] and Hall las year.

So howsa bout we don't sink 4 first rd picks on a wild hair by Kevin or Kwesi?

Right. O'Connell this and O'Connell that as if he is some kind of QB guru.

What's the hoopla about his scheme being such a good fit? Is it being among the league leaders in pass attempts (3rd in 2022, 4th in 2023)? McCarthy's head will be spinning with that workload. It's less scheme and more about the good targets.

All the talking heads seem to praise O'Connell as some mastermind play caller. Have they ever watched a Viking game. Personally I don't see it. I see a guy that abandons the run almost immediately and an extremely piss poor screen game.

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ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

All i know is it is nice to nit pick all of the QB's in this draft. How long have we wanted to get a Good QB in recent drafts? well this may be the draft where we get a QBOTF. That just sounds nice......

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think either Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels will fall to #6 or later, I am going with Washington taking Maye, and Daniels falling.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

If Daniels gets to 3 he’s the big prize. The only one I want to make a big move for.

Depending on 2 teams to make moves in our favor.

Otherwise I like Tim’s plan.

offer washington 11, 23, and two 1sts - '25 and '26 - and they kick back a 2nd in '26...or they don't kick back a 2nd...just get daniels....

in my experience, people don't regret spending more for quality, but they do regret spending less for inferior....

daniels is the man, go get him....

Four 1st round picks for a guy who could easily end up being the next Justin Fields?
I wouldn't do it.

It would have to be a Peyton Manning/Andrew Luck type prospect for me to even consider it.

If he falls to you... sure.
But unless you grade him as MILES above the other 4-5 qbs in this draft... I'd say that is a bad decision.

of course, one of the prerequisites for the four 1st rounders would be that O'Connell is very, very high on the quarterback...

First of all, Williams doesn't even come close to the same fanfare as Manning Luck, much less the other guys. Is Williams even as highly touted as Lawrence. Maybe.

And what qualifies O'Connell as such a good judge of college QB talent?

As WASH OC in 2019, they drafted Haskins. As Vikings HC, they drafted Hall. That's it for QBs associated with his different stops as a coach.

But wait. Its not just his decision ... 3D chess-draft grandmaster Kwesi is also involved.

The only two QBs associated with Kwesi tenures were Beathard by the 49ers (2017) [when he was more of a cap / contract guy] and Hall las year.

So howsa bout we don't sink 4 first rd picks on a wild hair by Kevin or Kwesi?

Right. O'Connell this and O'Connell that as if he is some kind of QB guru.

What's the hoopla about his scheme being such a good fit? Is it being among the league leaders in pass attempts (3rd in 2022, 4th in 2023)? McCarthy's head will be spinning with that workload. It's less scheme and more about the good targets.

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ORIGINAL: Chris Olson

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ORIGINAL: marty

I think either Drake Maye or Jayden Daniels will fall to #6 or later, I am going with Washington taking Maye, and Daniels falling.

I think McCarthy will be the one that falls

If we don't move up for Daniels or Maye at 3, whomever it is, I see us waiting it out...

McCarthy is fools gold, too much a product of the hype and need...kind of hope some one takes him before us