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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/1/2024 12:18:35 PM

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INDIANAPOLIS – J.J. McCarthy, the national championship-winning quarterback out of Michigan, was among the many quarterbacks in this year's NFL Draft who walked into the Vikings' suite at Lucas Oil Stadium this week for a formal, 18-minute sitdown interview.

Quarterbacks at the scouting combine spoke with reporters on Friday, when McCarthy and ex-Washington Huskies quarterback Michael Penix Jr., who lost to McCarthy's Wolverines in the national title game, said they were confident in how they came across to a Vikings contingent that included coach Kevin O'Connell, General Manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah and new quarterbacks coach Josh McCown.

"Coach O'Connell led the whole thing," McCarthy said Friday. "Everything they talked about wanting out of a QB aligns with what I want. Just being able to get on the board with them, go through their plays, it was special."

On Saturday, quarterbacks take the field to throw and run in front of NFL scouts. Vikings evaluators will get to watch McCarthy, Penix and Oregon's Bo Nix. But the three passers atop most draft rankings -- USC's Caleb Williams, North Carolina's Drake Maye and LSU's Jayden Daniels -- are expected to sit out throwing drills.

Penix said he'll throw on Saturday, but whether he'll run is a "game-time decision." He said outsiders may knock him for his speed, and he may wait until Washington's pro day later this spring.

He spoke with more conviction about how his Vikings meeting unfolded.

"It was great," Penix said. "I feel like that's a good organization over there. They show a lot of good things, got a lot of good players as well. I felt very confident in that meeting."

https://www.startribune.com/jj-mccarthy-michael-penix-jr-vikings-minnesota-quarterbacks-nfl-draft-scouting-combine/600347488/

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/1/2024 12:19:38 PM

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Vikings trade up?

If the Vikings want Maye or Daniels, they'll likely have to trade up from pick No. 11. Williams, Maye and Daniels are frequently projected as the first three picks.

What would it take for the Vikings to get into that range?

"You're talking about the 11th pick, the first-round pick in '25 and a first-round pick in '26," NFL Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah said. "That would be the cost for them to get up to [pick] number three."

McCarthy, Penix and Nix are considered the next best options.

"I would probably lean towards McCarthy," Jeremiah said. "Everything he does in terms of accurately delivering the football, his ability to move around a little bit. The way he sees everything and kind of plays under control. I think Kevin O'Connell would like him."

"Really, really quick mind," Jeremiah added. "Quick release. Just everything he does is real smooth."

In his latest mock draft, ESPN draft analyst Matt Miller has the Vikings selecting Alabama edge rusher Dallas Turner in the first round.

Then Miller has the Vikings taking Penix in the second round at No. 42 overall.

"The thing I've heard about the Vikings consistently the last year now is they want to be aggressive to get the next quarterback," Miller said. "Could they take J.J. McCarthy at 11? I definitely think so. ... [But] Penix would work really, really well in that offense just because it's all timing-based throws. That's something he does really well from a clean pocket."

"I know Round 2 might not be where Vikings fans want to invest in the quarterback position," Miller added. "But if they do, I think Penix is a good fit."

https://www.startribune.com/jj-mccarthy-michael-penix-jr-vikings-minnesota-quarterbacks-nfl-draft-scouting-combine/600347488/

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/1/2024 12:27:39 PM

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5 QB’s could be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. Better to over pay for Penix or JJ at 11 or with a small trade down than picking from the scraps.

I say pay what it takes to move up.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/2/2024 10:01:15 AM

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5 QB’s could be gone by the time we pick in the 2nd. Better to over pay for Penix or JJ at 11 or with a small trade down than picking from the scraps.

I say pay what it takes to move up.

Don't get cute unless they are sold on Rattler or some other 2nd tier guy.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/2/2024 12:20:46 PM

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Measurements for all the key QB prospects:

USC QB Caleb Williams
Height: 6-1 1/8
Weight: 214
Arm: 32
Hand: 9.75
Wingspan: 75.88

North Carolina QB Drake Maye
Height: 6-4 3/8
Weight: 223
Arm: 32 2/8
Hand: 9 1/8
Wingspan: 76 1/8

Michigan QB JJ McCarthy
Height: 6-2 4/8
Weight: 219
Arm: 31 5/8
Hand: 9
Wingspan: 75 7/8

Washington QB Michael Penix
Height: 6-2 2/8
Weight: 216
Arm: 33.62
Hand: 10.5
Wingspan: 81

Oregon QB Bo Nix
Height: 6-2 1/8
Weight: 214
Arm: 30 7/8
Hand: 10 1/8
Wingspan: 74 2/8

Tennessee QB Joe Milton
Height: 6-5 1/8
Weight: 235
Arm: 33 3/8
Hand: 10 2/8
Wingspan: 80

LSU quarterback Jayden Daniels declined to get measured at the NFL Scouting Combine on Saturday after having already opted out of the workout portion.

He told reporters Friday that waiting until the Tigers' pro day could help to draw more attention to his teammates who will also be taking part.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/2/2024 7:39:34 PM

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1 Williams
2 Maye
3 Daniels
10 McCarthy
11 We go Defense
31 via trade Penix
32 via trade Nix

Leaving us to trade to the top of the 2nd for Milton

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/3/2024 4:45:23 AM

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Penix is having a great combine.
Nix is having a terrible combine

I have moved Penix up to QB 5 on my rankings and I'm thinking he won't last into the 2nd round.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/3/2024 10:11:26 AM

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I tuned into the combine for 2 minutes and the QB’s were throwing. It was a mock end zone fade. McCarthy was good, Milton was good, ND guy was ‘ok’. Nix? Sailed it out of the end zone 😝

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/3/2024 12:59:47 PM

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McCarthy's small hands are a big concern. He could be prone to TO's and will have trouble gripping the ball in both rainy and cold weather games.

Penix checks all the boxes and will cost less draft capital. Add in he could start right away vs having to stomach watching some bridge qb play a year while McCarthy sits. Penix knees are a big concern though even if he did check out medically.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/4/2024 10:41:08 AM

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Time for another Mock.
Stick and pick with 1st and 2nd round + later round trade backs to acquire more selections. I think it worked out pretty well.
11.
Dallas Turner
EDGE Alabama
42.
Michael Penix Jr.
QB Washington
109.
DeWayne Carter
DT Duke
156.
Beaux Limmer
OC Arkansas
157.
Emani Bailey
RB TCU
179.
Xavier Thomas
EDGE Clemson
186.
Will Putnam
OC Clemson
187.
Erick All
TE Iowa
200.
Trey Taylor
S Air Force
210.
Nehemiah Pritchett
CB Auburn
228.
Jackson Mitchell
LB UConn
253.
Nathaniel Watson
LB Mississippi State
257.
Anthony Goodlow
EDGE Oklahoma State

I took two centers because at his spot Putnam seemed too good to pass on. Maybe one of him or Limmer can slide over to guard. A little late on secondary help, but can't have it all.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/4/2024 8:01:04 PM

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The build up to the draft is one of my favorite times of the year. KAM's first draft was God awful, second not much better. I am hoping for a good draft this year, but I am not holding my breath. In my opinion we should not trade up for one of the top three QBs, take McCarthy or Pennix (the injury history is a little worrisome) at 11. We have to many holes to fill, and we may be at the bottom of the division next year. Which means we may be in the top 15 and we can start to build up the defense. If the Vikes give up future first round picks plus other picks, to trade up, we will miss a lot of great talent in the next couple of drafts. Just my thoughts.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 10:19:49 AM

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The build up to the draft is one of my favorite times of the year. KAM's first draft was God awful, second not much better. I am hoping for a good draft this year, but I am not holding my breath. In my opinion we should not trade up for one of the top three QBs, take McCarthy or Pennix (the injury history is a little worrisome) at 11. We have to many holes to fill, and we may be at the bottom of the division next year. Which means we may be in the top 15 and we can start to build up the defense. If the Vikes give up future first round picks plus other picks, to trade up, we will miss a lot of great talent in the next couple of drafts. Just my thoughts.

But I'm thinking we risk getting Penix in a trade back.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 10:34:13 AM

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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lyle chabot

The build up to the draft is one of my favorite times of the year. KAM's first draft was God awful, second not much better. I am hoping for a good draft this year, but I am not holding my breath. In my opinion we should not trade up for one of the top three QBs, take McCarthy or Pennix (the injury history is a little worrisome) at 11. We have to many holes to fill, and we may be at the bottom of the division next year. Which means we may be in the top 15 and we can start to build up the defense. If the Vikes give up future first round picks plus other picks, to trade up, we will miss a lot of great talent in the next couple of drafts. Just my thoughts.

But I'm thinking we risk getting Penix in a trade back.

Yep. If they don't trade up or one of the big three doesn't miraculously fall to us, they will trade down for more picks and hope they can still land Pennix or McCarthy or Nix.

Can almost bank on it.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 10:48:16 AM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 11:00:29 AM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

He might go before Daniels.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 11:01:21 AM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

He might go before Daniels.

One of the drafts have him as the 3rd QB taken in the top 6.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 12:56:48 PM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 1:55:13 PM

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McCarthy's small hands are a big concern. He could be prone to TO's and will have trouble gripping the ball in both rainy and cold weather games.

Penix checks all the boxes and will cost less draft capital. Add in he could start right away vs having to stomach watching some bridge qb play a year while McCarthy sits. Penix knees are a big concern though even if he did check out medically.

Killed Hawaii in a downpour and OSU in the cold at the Big House and toiletbowl....

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 2:04:31 PM

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ESPN’s David Fleming thoroughly debunked the “hand-size myth” in 2020, noting that there is no statistical correlation between hand size and any element of quarterback play, and he argued that teams should actually measure players’ grip strength rather than pure inches.

Two of the past six no. 1 overall picks, Joe Burrow and Jared Goff, have 9-inch hands.

Mahomes: 9.25
Brady: 9.375

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/5/2024 3:10:48 PM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/6/2024 5:33:35 PM

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Now there's an "official rumor" the Vikings will take McCarthy if available at 11. If this is actually the case whoever leaked it should be shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB2-mhIUp1c

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/6/2024 6:49:43 PM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/6/2024 8:41:52 PM

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I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/6/2024 9:53:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I think McCarthy moves in to the top 10.

Post combine, McCarthy has absolutely moved into the top 10. I've even seen mocks that make him the #3 QB.

I don't understand him moving up post combine. He was very inaccurate in the throwing sessions. He weighed in good though at 219.

The consensus I’ve read is, McCarthy missed some throws but had a good workout.

His lack of production in college has not held him back - from a draftnik perspective - because he looked very good within the production he did have, plus his winning record including the championship.

For my money, I think he’s iffy along with Penix. Its almost like he’s a bit of a mystery but he’s been given the benefit of the doubt because of his reputation among scouts.

I’ll take any one of the top six QBs … I’d rather not give up an obscene amount of assets to get one but the sting of that is much less than not getting one period.

Desperate times.

Dallas Turner in the first and Nix or Penix in the 2nd. If not then we get the best QB we can in FA and draft a QB next year. Or maybe we really like Michael Pratt.

Waiting until next year … year #4 for this regime … to get a young QB would be an absolute fail by this gm hc and organization.

I know some things are out of their control but if they can’t figure it out while drafting 11 in a very strong year for QBs …

they should be fired.

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RE: 2024 Draft - 3/6/2024 10:09:12 PM

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Chris Simms is my favorite draft analyst when it comes to QBs. That doesn't mean I will agree with every one of his takes, but I will second guess my opinions when he explains his reasoning. He thinks Caleb Williams is far and away the best QB in the draft. I like everything he has to say about him. However, he's going to play for the Bears so his career could be over before it starts. He has Jayden Daniels in his own tier as 2nd best in the draft. Coming in 3rd is Bo Nix, 4th is Penix, 5th is McCarthy and 6th is Maye. He's guaranteeing that Maye will be available when the Vikings pick and believes we should NOT take him. This is a very in depth analysis of the top 6 QBs in his opinion in the draft. It's brand new. Just came out earlier today. It's 2 hours so will require some serious attention span, but IMO it's well worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEAeopuBfU8

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