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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:21:38 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Who said that?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:24:12 AM

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I think the lustre has worn off a bit for me and what we have is a QB playing well and well above expectation but not on par with a veteran QB like Goff who has taken years to get to where he is. Much less Goff on fire.

We still almost beat Goff down … if KOC hadnt played safe with 4 minutes / protecting a one point lead by trying to milk the clock. Felt to me like lack of confidence in the offense (ie Darnold), not confidence in the defense to come up with another miraculous stop. You cant give someone who is 18 out of 20 or whatever with 3+ minutes + 3 timeouts a chance. Even if you are conservative by nature, you have to be aggressive.

I swear to God, this HC does some of the smartest and dumbest things, sometimes spooned together.

As for Hock, I used the term full throttle the other day to describe the offense with non-suspended Addison + Hock’s return … which was way over the top because that’s limited by how good Darnold can play. WRs were open on critical plays we didn’t get to - Hock will give us a boost but he’s no game changer. Probably fill the space between Jones and Mundt stat wise.

To clarify my ramble, I’m happy and surprised with Darnold. Statistically strong but he still has a lot learn, still needs a lot of seasoning. Naturally. Easier games coming up, which will allow him to suckle a bit more before empty-nesting into our playoff push, hopefully. We’re still in the thick of it which is great. Although not yet half way into the season.

And Det has been more battle-tested what with them being in the playoffs last year. And it's kind of one thing (for us) to get off to a surprise start, but an entirely different thing to sustain that. Being favored in games during the season, making the playoffs, etc is good in the sense the team can learn it's about focus, effort, playing well under pressure, overcoming injuries, and so many other intangibles.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:26:19 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:27:32 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:28:07 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Who said that?

When a certain someone is flat out saying his presence will make no difference that's how it comes off. If he makes no difference then we made a horrible mistake signing him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:28:33 AM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

How is that backtracking?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:31:17 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

IIRC. he also had a fumbling problem early last year...He couldn't have fumbled a ball or two as well.

It's all speculation. He's a great player for the most part. and better than Mundt, Oliver, Muse and Tonyan combined. He will definitely help this offense when he returns. But we don't know how his presence would have effectd this game.

this was a coaching failure. They couldn't coach pressure on Goff, a key to beating the Lions right now. They couldn't coach a clock killing drive at the end. You play with the guys you got, not the ones you wish you had. Could Hock have helped? yes. Would he have helped? Maybe. Do we win if the only difference is Hock is on the field? No guarantee. The entire flow of the game would be different.

I want Hockenson back. Opposing DCs can't be excited about having to defend JJ, Addison, Nailor, Jones and Hockenson all at the same time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:32:21 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

How is that backtracking?

Umm, when you said "In my opinion it would have been more important to play him today and rest him until after the Rams game. Would've been up 2 games in the division. "

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:32:54 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

IIRC. he also had a fumbling problem early last year...He couldn't have fumbled a ball or two as well.

It's all speculation. He's a great player for the most part. and better than Mundt, Oliver, Muse and Tonyan combined. He will definitely help this offense when he returns. But we don't know how his presence would have effectd this game.

this was a coaching failure. They couldn't coach pressure on Goff, a key to beating the Lions right now. They couldn't coach a clock killing drive at the end. You play with the guys you got, not the ones you wish you had. Could Hock have helped? yes. Would he have helped? Maybe. Do we win if the only difference is Hock is on the field? No guarantee. The entire flow of the game would be different.

I want Hockenson back. Opposing DCs can't be excited about having to defend JJ, Addison, Nailor, Jones and Hockenson all at the same time.

This whole board is speculation. Of course we can't prove it. We can't prove that we're not a better team next week if all the backups start.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:33:01 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Who said that?

When a certain someone is flat out saying his presence will make no difference that's how it comes off. If he makes no difference then we made a horrible mistake signing him.

Who said that?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:33:33 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Who said that?

When a certain someone is flat out saying his presence will make no difference that's how it comes off. If he makes no difference then we made a horrible mistake signing him.

You don't know what difference it would have made in this game.

You can only guess.

And if Aidan Hutchinson wasn't out for the season, how would the game have gone for the Vikings? Ifs and buts, twigs and nuts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:34:22 AM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

How is that backtracking?

Umm, when you said "In my opinion it would have been more important to play him today and rest him until after the Rams game. Would've been up 2 games in the division. "

It's an opinion as I clearly stated. Of course it's not able to be proven. God forbid an opinion get stated on an opinion board. Cheers to you though Bill. You're a good opponent.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:36:02 AM

Richard Neussendorfer

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Who said that?

When a certain someone is flat out saying his presence will make no difference that's how it comes off. If he makes no difference then we made a horrible mistake signing him.

You don't know what difference it would have made in this game.

You can only guess.

And if Aidan Hutchinson wasn't out for the season, how would the game have gone for the Vikings? Ifs and buts, twigs and nuts.

I've clearly stated multiple times it was an opinion. There's no proving most of what gets said on this board.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:37:53 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

How is that backtracking?

Umm, when you said "In my opinion it would have been more important to play him today and rest him until after the Rams game. Would've been up 2 games in the division. "

It's an opinion as I clearly stated. Of course it's not able to be proved. God forbid an opinion get stated on an opinion board. Cheers to you though Bill. You're a good opponent.

Like I said, backtracking. But not in devious way or anything like that.

At the end of the day when the emotional 'Hock should have played' hoopla dies down then things will revert back to a more normal and reasonable level.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:39:34 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

How is that backtracking?

Umm, when you said "In my opinion it would have been more important to play him today and rest him until after the Rams game. Would've been up 2 games in the division. "

It's an opinion as I clearly stated. Of course it's not able to be proved. God forbid an opinion get stated on an opinion board. Cheers to you though Bill. You're a good opponent.

Like I said, backtracking. But not in devious way or anything like that.

At the end of the day when the emotional 'Hock should have played' hoopla dies down then things will revert back to a more normal and reasonable level.

Again that's only IF he plays Thursday. I'm curious about any news on the subject actually.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:41:23 AM

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Apparently now Hockenson sucks according to some and makes no difference to our team whatsoever. Who knew?

Roll with that!

I think he could've helped the offense maybe pick up a first down or 2. Especially towards the end of the game. It's fine if you think differently Bill. Clearly Johnny Mundt and his 2 yard average isn't going to.

So you've backtracked. Which is fine.

How is that backtracking?

Umm, when you said "In my opinion it would have been more important to play him today and rest him until after the Rams game. Would've been up 2 games in the division. "

It's an opinion as I clearly stated. Of course it's not able to be proved. God forbid an opinion get stated on an opinion board. Cheers to you though Bill. You're a good opponent.

Like I said, backtracking. But not in devious way or anything like that.

At the end of the day when the emotional 'Hock should have played' hoopla dies down then things will revert back to a more normal and reasonable level.

Again that's only IF he plays Thursday. I'm curious about any news on the subject actually.

Just imagine the fireworks if he has a setback!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:42:24 AM

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My gut tells me he's probably not back until after LA.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:53:48 AM

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My gut tells me he's probably not back until after LA.

21 day window closes on Friday....so LA or next game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:55:21 AM

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My gut tells me he's probably not back until after LA.

21 day window closes on Friday....so LA or next game.

Good stuff Phil. Thank you!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 11:56:38 AM

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My gut tells me he's probably not back until after LA.

21 day window closes on Friday....so LA or next game.

Good stuff Phil. Thank you!

Just so you know...I would have loved to have TJ play too....I hope it helps us in the end to give him that extra game off.....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 12:02:10 PM

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I’m still pissed bc I bet Hock could have made a difference our last drive.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 12:02:11 PM

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My gut tells me he's probably not back until after LA.

21 day window closes on Friday....so LA or next game.

Good stuff Phil. Thank you!

Just so you know...I would have loved to have TJ play too....I hope it helps us in the end to give him that extra game off.....

Seems like there's gotta be better out there than Mundt. I like Oliver and his blocking but Mundt doesn't seem to do much to help.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 12:09:33 PM

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McCaffery Greenlaw and Debo will be back the last 8-9 games. I wouldn’t be so sure about that. .500 may win that division

Phil, after losing the SB, many teams have a black cloud over them the next season, and many of them don't even make the playoffs the following season.

I am not guaranteeing SF doesn't win their weak division, SF just isn't the regular season powerhouse they were last season. Maybe they will put it all together and get back into the Super Bowl, but right now they're 3-4 with lots if questions, and lots of injuries.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 12:27:40 PM

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Feel like Mundt was a guy brought in primarily because he knew the offense and after a year or two he'd be jettisoned. Instead, he signed for a 3rd year. Cheap though, at $2M.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/22/2024 12:28:11 PM

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I. Gonna go with shitty coaching.. and.. a QB wh can’t read the field calmly when under pressure..

Sitting at home.. watching him have to stand back their.. Pat… Pat.. Pat.. Pat.. then throw a tight widow pass to a guy in heavy traffic .

He completely missed opportunity to “ take what you given.. like jones in the left flat trying to tight window Addison, in heavy coverage traffic.

Not seeing safety undercutting his throw that lead to the interception… tunnel vision, not field vision..

One first down after we got the ball back after the go ahead TD.. just one… that is on coaching and playcalling..

Giving up 2 15 yard runs in a row after a punt…

The end of this game was a defensive failure on every level.

Sam Darnold is not “ it”.. he never was..
you Idiots, and you know who you are, advocating signing him to big money extension contracts and Trading away JJM for draft picks…?

Say that shit again.. in any form, tell me how Darnold deserves a big fat guaranteed contract with signing bonus money..

Tell me how many way we can trade our INJURED rookie for the “ one piece “ that Darnold and KOC needs to win it all..

Go ahead..

My block list needs to be expanded..

Darnold can’t perform under pressure, KOC coaches like shit..

Our defense can’t cover man to man, and our linebackers couldn’t cover 6 yards deep off the line in the middle of the field if we had ten of them and one safety.

You think I’m exaggerating?

Look at Geoff’s stat line and the individual plays…

He ripped our defense to shreds..

The DL and line backers were exposed as frauds..

There is a reason that the teams that are perennial contenders are perennial contenders…

The invest in bog body talent on the LINES.

We chase receivers and running backs with shitty blocking and QB’s with no balls.

Arron jones is a beast, but behind him we have petunias and crabgrass..

One first down.. just one.. and Detroit has no time outs.. can’t run the ball from their own 30 and the can’t get the pass play to guarantee the easy FG from 37 yards out..

Darnold and shitty coaching…

We are what we have been all season..

Darnold and shitty coaching.

Yet for the Packers and Jets you blamed it on the prevent.

so you think prevent the win is excellent coaching?

What part of shitty coaching is it that escapes you..

Darnold and shitty coaching…

If I wanted candy ass defense at home with the game on the line, I Could rewatch Donatello or Zimmer..

I expected a team leading the division, coming off a bye week, to have a fn shut down defense. Not an end zone usher defense getting gashed for huge runs and only being able to defend THREE ****ING PASSES..

THAT is shitty coaching.

Must have lost your parlays this week huh? 😜